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Post by hazzard31 on May 31, 2015 10:46:03 GMT -5
Maybe TGCtours could say that if you get 3 exemptions on the third one it's compulsory to accept it. This would stop people staying in a division just because they're competing for the top prize.
As well, how do people get demoted to the tour below?
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Post by hazzard31 on May 31, 2015 10:47:55 GMT -5
And I think the promotion and demotion idea's pretty good but only on a monthly basis.
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Post by gibson55 on May 31, 2015 11:42:58 GMT -5
Thanks but im suggesting something for admins. Not directly asking for you opinion.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 12:11:15 GMT -5
Maybe TGCtours could say that if you get 3 exemptions on the third one it's compulsory to accept it. This would stop people staying in a division just because they're competing for the top prize. As well, how do people get demoted to the tour below? I still feel exemptions should relate to how well you finished that week instead of what you shot. I will have an exemption after this weeks 56 on explorer ridge. It was a one off round where I played insane on an easy course. I have never finished in the top 10 and only had two top 25s in Web-B after this week. Tell me, why would I use this exemption? I'd get murdered on web-a. In fact, I wouldn't have even made the cut this week. Winner gets 2 exemptions, top 5 and ties get one exemption. Just my opinion. As for demotion, a certain number of consecutive missed cuts. Be it 3,4 or 5. Would keep people moving between flights and to their own standard. |
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Post by hazzard31 on May 31, 2015 13:30:31 GMT -5
Maybe TGCtours could say that if you get 3 exemptions on the third one it's compulsory to accept it. This would stop people staying in a division just because they're competing for the top prize. As well, how do people get demoted to the tour below? I still feel exemptions should relate to how well you finished that week instead of what you shot. I will have an exemption after this weeks 56 on explorer ridge. It was a one off round where I played insane on an easy course. I have never finished in the top 10 and only had two top 25s in Web-B after this week. Tell me, why would I use this exemption? I'd get murdered on web-a. In fact, I wouldn't have even made the cut this week. Winner gets 2 exemptions, top 5 and ties get one exemption. Just my opinion. As for demotion, a certain number of consecutive missed cuts. Be it 3,4 or 5. Would keep people moving between flights and to their own standard. Some good points here fire sure. |
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Post by hazzard31 on May 31, 2015 13:32:50 GMT -5
Thanks but im suggesting something for admins. Not directly asking for you opinion. Lol, my comments weren't directed at you. Was just voicing what I thought and thought that's what you did here. |
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Post by gibson55 on Jun 1, 2015 11:57:27 GMT -5
Sorry bud. My comment was meant for someone else lmao. I messed up
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Post by CTLegacy on Jun 1, 2015 23:22:13 GMT -5
I think right now NO one is being demoted unless they ask for it specifically. This is kind of bad as far as trying to retain a large player base of new players. My idea at least for the 2016 season would be to NOT hand out PGA tour cards from Qschool or at least make it very very difficult. This would fit in with whatever new system of promotions/demotions they have been working on behind the scenes and hopefully get some more info on that really soon.
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Post by downtowners555 on Jun 2, 2015 0:44:17 GMT -5
Another idea (just a thought and my 2 cents). Keep everyone in their division for a season. Shorten the season to 10 events say, and then pick a course (like a major 4 majors a year etc) have everyone play in that major and then sort out the Tours that way based on where you finished in that major each season. Anyone who ops not to compete or misses the major that week remains in their original Tour or gets demoted. This way you keep rivalry's going in each tour if guys are relatively at the same skill level based on how they play.
This way the cream rises to the top and keeps it competitive at all levels.
Not against the system we have now, just know that there seems to be a lot of complaining going on. Which by the way I know this from running several online leagues for other sports. No matter how hard you try you are never going to make everyone happy.
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Post by mcbogga on Jun 2, 2015 4:52:16 GMT -5
At least the top tours need to stay the way they are - anything else would be against the original spirit of this project and turn it into another gaming league with some fancy names.
Nothing wrong with having a very strong Web A tour and the excemption system works well. Good players will rise up. I think forcing to use exemptions and exemptions for top tournament finishes and even battlefield promotions from repeated top fives is a good way to go.
Can't really see the point of staying at a lower level to win there though. Competing below your level is stupid, and the only "real" wins on here are on the top tours or maybe even only in the majors.
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Post by mcbogga on Jun 2, 2015 5:56:57 GMT -5
Don't qualify? Can't play.
Didn't like the opening up of cross-overs, but its a bit of a straw-man argument to bring up here and did not really hurt the spirit of the project significantly.
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Post by mcbogga on Jun 2, 2015 6:32:48 GMT -5
Not qualified for the race to Dubai finals -> cant play.
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Post by eMLBCommish on Jun 2, 2015 6:50:27 GMT -5
Another idea (just a thought and my 2 cents). Keep everyone in their division for a season. Shorten the season to 10 events say, and then pick a course (like a major 4 majors a year etc) have everyone play in that major and then sort out the Tours that way based on where you finished in that major each season. Anyone who ops not to compete or misses the major that week remains in their original Tour or gets demoted. This way you keep rivalry's going in each tour if guys are relatively at the same skill level based on how they play. This way the cream rises to the top and keeps it competitive at all levels. Not against the system we have now, just know that there seems to be a lot of complaining going on. Which by the way I know this from running several online leagues for other sports. No matter how hard you try you are never going to make everyone happy. No disrespect intended saying this, but I'm tired of these ADHD arguments about shortening seasons in TGCT to ridiculous levels. You want short seasons, go play in LGGT if you have a console (16 weeks in a season, Season 3 starting June 15th...thanks again to my TGCT friends for permitting the mentions!). The allure for me of TGCT is the feel of being on a virtual likeness of professional golf tours, by playing the events going on in real life. To be honest, it actually reminds me when to plan ahead to watch the Majors!  But what this also means is I enjoy the grind of a season, battling for personal goals. I will never beat a Bradley, Doyley, or BBT on a consistent basis, nor do I try to. I play my best game, and set my own goals of reality. Seasons are intended to be long in this type of setup. There are more than enough opportunities for the lower tiers to move up that don't require shortened seasons. If TGCT adopts anything you suggest, I'll most likely hand in my card and play elsewhere, as it loses what drives me most to be here. Play the week...cheer or b%&...did I get any closer to my next goal? Okay, get back out there for a fresh new start next week. As you put it, there are plenty of OTHER leagues out there that probably suit your interests more, if you find yourself needing. No one place is everyone's cup of tea, or is intended to be perfection. But I tip my cap to these brave men running this endeavor. Everyone has to remember: There is no revenue earned by these guys. This is a true labor of love on their parts to bring us this universe they've established for our entertainment. |
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Post by downtowners555 on Jun 2, 2015 12:47:52 GMT -5
James I dont think I said anything wrong here. I see a lot of the guys on the lower tours not happy. Nothing is ever perfect in any league regardless of how its run. If you can voice your opinion than whats the point of having a suggestion thread? All I was doing was merely offering up some of my thoughts. Personally I dont think it really matters if you have a long or short season. Its all golf to me no matter how you cut it. But like I said no harm no foul here. All I was doing was throwing my 2 pennys in the can.
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Post by eMLBCommish on Jun 2, 2015 14:50:18 GMT -5
James I dont think I said anything wrong here. I see a lot of the guys on the lower tours not happy. Nothing is ever perfect in any league regardless of how its run. If you can voice your opinion than whats the point of having a suggestion thread? All I was doing was merely offering up some of my thoughts. Personally I dont think it really matters if you have a long or short season. Its all golf to me no matter how you cut it. But like I said no harm no foul here. All I was doing was throwing my 2 pennys in the can. I don't think you necessarily said anything wrong, but I also think if you're allowed to voice an opinion/suggestion in one direction, I can voice a dissenting opinion. So let's get down to basics: Why are guys on lower tours not happy? Do they even have a specific reason? Is a guy ranked at a certain level and think they're better? Do they realize they're not held at gunpoint to play here? This is semantics for me. I'm sure everyone wants to be a Top Tier person. I'm sure everyone wants to win the Masters. The point is not everyone can. Not everyone will. Myself personally: I'm a Fringe PGA Player at best, make 2/3rd of my cuts thus far, and bring up the bottom half of the Money List when I make cuts. I'm easily kickable off the Tour by those better than me. There are sponsor exemptions for those who've earned them. There's things like the US Open Qualifier to earn your way into top tiers. I'll have to keep my card most likely through the Web.com finals (if I understand the end of season matters). My point is to get at the meat and potatoes of arguments, and support them with facts...I don't want to hear people aren't happy without actual rationalization attached to it. I hope you're not taking my arguments personally. I'm just wanting people to come to the table with actual reasons rather than "We're unhappy". And back to my original counter to your point: A shortened season is NOT the best thing for TGCT, in my opinion. Just continue to refine the by-laws as need be to compensate the majority, not the unanimous. That's just not feasible in the long run. |
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