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Post by nevadaballin on Aug 15, 2022 20:31:02 GMT -5
That makes some sense, Craig - appreciate the response. I took a quick look at the scoring averages last year vs. this among the top-20 in Plat, and it looks like the change added about 2.5 strokes over the season (59 to about 61.4). I suppose that's somewhat statistically significant. Anecdotally, when I watch the better players stream, it doesn't look like tempo would be a huge issue for them regardless of Master vs. Pro. I kind of like the idea that promoting from CC to the higher tours would include a move to Master swing, seems that would be a natural progression. No worries I love chatting about this stuff. And as I say I try to be realistic because the tours have to appeal to a wide variety of players and try to juggle all platforms and preferences which is a tough and thankless task, and we really are spoilt. I hope my comments aren't seen as belittling what the guys in charge do. The tours have kept me coming back since 2017 iirc. Anyway, I hope I haven't taken us wildly off on a tangent. All of this may well be totally irrelevant come next Monday  Edit: and yeah I agree. Honestly I'd be all for making legend swing, true sim with marker off the norm at the top level. Not that I'd be up there or anything but I think it would be a hell of a lot of fun to play in and watch. I’d like to see the tiers increase in swing difficulty. CC = Pro swing, rest remains the same. Kinetic and Elite = Master swing, rest remains the same Platinum = Legend swing, rest remains the same Progressive swing difficulty through the tiers has always made sense to me. |
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Post by Doyley on Aug 15, 2022 21:42:17 GMT -5
No worries I love chatting about this stuff. And as I say I try to be realistic because the tours have to appeal to a wide variety of players and try to juggle all platforms and preferences which is a tough and thankless task, and we really are spoilt. I hope my comments aren't seen as belittling what the guys in charge do. The tours have kept me coming back since 2017 iirc. Anyway, I hope I haven't taken us wildly off on a tangent. All of this may well be totally irrelevant come next Monday Edit: and yeah I agree. Honestly I'd be all for making legend swing, true sim with marker off the norm at the top level. Not that I'd be up there or anything but I think it would be a hell of a lot of fun to play in and watch. I’d like to see the tiers increase in swing difficulty. CC = Pro swing, rest remains the same. Kinetic and Elite = Master swing, rest remains the same Platinum = Legend swing, rest remains the same Progressive swing difficulty through the tiers has always made sense to me. Don't see us going back to this - we had the mix before of Master/Pro in Challenge Circuit and then forced Master in the top tiers and the steady stream tickets we dealt with from people that didn't want to be forced from Pro to Master was non-stop throughout the season. Was the main reason we changed it to our format now of one swing difficulty for the entire main tour. |
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Post by zooby97 on Aug 15, 2022 22:09:08 GMT -5
I’d like to see the tiers increase in swing difficulty. CC = Pro swing, rest remains the same. Kinetic and Elite = Master swing, rest remains the same Platinum = Legend swing, rest remains the same Progressive swing difficulty through the tiers has always made sense to me. Don't see us going back to this - we had the mix before of Master/Pro in Challenge Circuit and then forced Master in the top tiers and the amount of tickets we dealt with from people that didn't want to be forced from Pro to Master was non-stop throughout the season. Was the main reason we changed it to our format now of one swing difficulty for the entire main tour. If they stay with Pro swing: I’d just make Plat harder with no green grids. And I know they can just map the greens out by playing local for practice but you have to somewhat challenge the best. And the best still blow through the True Sim with no green grids and have low scores but overall it could create some sort of separation with no green grids in Plat. And make True Sim different from Plat Tour by turning off the scout and follow cameras. And just keep the rest as is. The high winds and crazy greens doesn’t touch the best with Plat courses on Pro swing. And overall the best players want some kind of challenge. |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Aug 16, 2022 1:16:27 GMT -5
Don't see us going back to this - we had the mix before of Master/Pro in Challenge Circuit and then forced Master in the top tiers and the amount of tickets we dealt with from people that didn't want to be forced from Pro to Master was non-stop throughout the season. Was the main reason we changed it to our format now of one swing difficulty for the entire main tour. If they stay with Pro swing: I’d just make Plat harder with no green grids. And I know they can just map the greens out by playing local for practice but you have to somewhat challenge the best. And the best still blow through the True Sim with no green grids and have low scores but overall it could create some sort of separation with no green grids in Plat. And make True Sim different from Plat Tour by turning off the scout and follow cameras. And just keep the rest as is. The high winds and crazy greens doesn’t touch the best with Plat courses on Pro swing. And overall the best players want some kind of challenge. I'd wager Doyley would end up in the same position as with the tiered system here except the support tickets would be about not liking no grids rather than not liking master swing. It'll be interesting to see the effect the new game has on gameplay and scoring. Given that there seems to be a decent amount of interest in a tougher test, I'd like to think a fair few of us could come together and try to set something up that is separate from TGC Tours and is on the highest possible difficulty. I totally understand why TGCT don't do it. If enough of us wanted something to complement what the tours have and offer a more competitive challenge in terms of mechanics I'm sure we could make it work. Even if there's only ten of us lol |
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Post by martbloke on Aug 16, 2022 1:59:40 GMT -5
Maybe having 2 tours would be better - 1 for Pro and 1 for Master (should the same difficulties come over)? Hell, I'd just be happy if there is a way to make a society allow multiple difficulties (selectable) so you could have Pro or Master allowed.
I feel TST should definitely be harder as default as it makes a mockery of the name TST as it is.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Aug 16, 2022 3:40:44 GMT -5
Maybe having 2 tours would be better - 1 for Pro and 1 for Master (should the same difficulties come over)? Hell, I'd just be happy if there is a way to make a society allow multiple difficulties (selectable) so you could have Pro or Master allowed. I feel TST should definitely be harder as default as it makes a mockery of the name TST as it is. I don't see why you can't have Pro Tours - Master swing and two CC tours, one Master, one Pro with no promotion between the two but CC Master being able to promote to the Pro Tours. Sounds simple to me but Doyley will probably give me a few reasons why it isn't!! Be interesting to see what the new game offers in terms of difficulty. A level in between Master and Pro on the current game may have struck a good balance though I feel they finally got it right with Master in the current game. Just a shame we had an 18 month beta period to get there. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 4:31:17 GMT -5
Maybe having 2 tours would be better - 1 for Pro and 1 for Master (should the same difficulties come over)? Hell, I'd just be happy if there is a way to make a society allow multiple difficulties (selectable) so you could have Pro or Master allowed. I feel TST should definitely be harder as default as it makes a mockery of the name TST as it is. TGCTours has two tours now, aids on and sim. As you're a sim player Mart, where TST moves forward next game is more important for you and me. |
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Post by zooby97 on Aug 16, 2022 6:13:49 GMT -5
If they stay with Pro swing: I’d just make Plat harder with no green grids. And I know they can just map the greens out by playing local for practice but you have to somewhat challenge the best. And the best still blow through the True Sim with no green grids and have low scores but overall it could create some sort of separation with no green grids in Plat. And make True Sim different from Plat Tour by turning off the scout and follow cameras. And just keep the rest as is. The high winds and crazy greens doesn’t touch the best with Plat courses on Pro swing. And overall the best players want some kind of challenge. I'd wager Doyley would end up in the same position as with the tiered system here except the support tickets would be about not liking no grids rather than not liking master swing. It'll be interesting to see the effect the new game has on gameplay and scoring. Given that there seems to be a decent amount of interest in a tougher test, I'd like to think a fair few of us could come together and try to set something up that is separate from TGC Tours and is on the highest possible difficulty. I totally understand why TGCT don't do it. If enough of us wanted something to complement what the tours have and offer a more competitive challenge in terms of mechanics I'm sure we could make it work. Even if there's only ten of us lol The no green grids would be just for Platinum or somehow differentiate the highest level with Pro swing. I personally think there will be no new game until Oct-Nov as they have to get ahead of EA with their spring release. But would TGC wait for a few months for new season to coincide with the new release? To fill the gap they could have two separate mini season tours with master and Pro swing to at least see how this old game could have played out last season as they started their season and master swing was then corrected. |
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Post by zooby97 on Aug 16, 2022 6:16:15 GMT -5
Maybe having 2 tours would be better - 1 for Pro and 1 for Master (should the same difficulties come over)? Hell, I'd just be happy if there is a way to make a society allow multiple difficulties (selectable) so you could have Pro or Master allowed. I feel TST should definitely be harder as default as it makes a mockery of the name TST as it is. TGCTours has two tours now, aids on and sim. As you're a sim player Mart, where TST moves forward next game is more important for you and me. I’m pretty sure the splash shot will be used for only bunkers. I just hope they keep the putting the same as they definitely nailed that one perfectly. |
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Post by greyosprey on Aug 16, 2022 7:00:30 GMT -5
Hopefully August 22 they release a bunch of info and videos....and a firm release date.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Aug 16, 2022 7:04:12 GMT -5
I see the same plants/trees/houses/grass that we already have, which makes me think that the course designer will not be getting a major overhaul. I'll be disappointed if that's true. The well-known limitations of the designer are really getting old...it has not truly been overhauled since the game debuted in 2014. Was hoping they'd abandon UNITY and go with something more capable of rendering photorealism. Harris Kalinka is out here rendering stuff like this: harriskalinka.com/Meanwhile we're burying bushes to create make-believe pot bunkers. I wouldn't mind changing engines either, but I bet if they did that the game and especially the designer (including the thousands of courses available) would not be compatible with the new engine. |
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Post by sandgroper on Aug 16, 2022 8:12:22 GMT -5
Scoop: new putter for 2k23  |
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Post by nevadaballin on Aug 17, 2022 12:07:40 GMT -5
I’d like to see the tiers increase in swing difficulty. CC = Pro swing, rest remains the same. Kinetic and Elite = Master swing, rest remains the same Platinum = Legend swing, rest remains the same Progressive swing difficulty through the tiers has always made sense to me. Don't see us going back to this - we had the mix before of Master/Pro in Challenge Circuit and then forced Master in the top tiers and the steady stream tickets we dealt with from people that didn't want to be forced from Pro to Master was non-stop throughout the season. Was the main reason we changed it to our format now of one swing difficulty for the entire main tour. Understood. Hopefully PGA23 will allow for an easier time at balancing the flights out for the league. |
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PGA2k23 Courses: Baiting Hollow Dunes, Ballycraic (Major), Wicker Club
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Post by blindwolfgolf on Aug 17, 2022 12:11:32 GMT -5
Looks like an Oct 14th release date from the Amazon preorder:
Info from the description:
Take your skills on the PGA TOUR and become the next FedExCup Champion as you compete against TOUR pros and establish new rivalries.
For the first time, play as male and female pros including Tiger Woods, in online and local play. Also features licensed courses such as East Lake Golf Club, TPC Sawgrass, TPC Scottsdale, and more.
Create your own dream course with the Course Designer, which features thousands of customizable objects and cross-platform sharing.
Introducing Topgolf with competitive 1-4 player local and online play, bringing the range’s excitement and fun to both casual and seasoned players.
Plus, run your own online societies to manage tournaments and seasons or test your skills against your friends in Divot Derby and Casual mode.
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Post by martbloke on Aug 17, 2022 12:24:14 GMT -5
I mean, the description isn't really selling it for me. Sounds like the same old same old again but with playable pros. I hope I'm wrong.
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