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Post by tpcsouthnine on Dec 29, 2021 16:27:17 GMT -5
I've seen a fair bit of talk on here recently about "legal" hole locations, and I realized that I wasn't sure exactly what "legal" meant for TGC Tours. I looked it up on the Course Database Guidelines thread and found the following: Pins - Pins must be "legal" - meaning the single box in which the pin is located must not have any red slope. Also, the pin must be at least three grid squares from the edge of the green.
- Pins in the middle of large yellow or red slopes will not be approved
- Pins should be placed in multiple locations; not all pins on one pin set should be in the back right of the green, for example.
- Pins should allow a fair chance to hit an approach close.
- Please playtest to ensure pins are fair and playable.
The first bullet is clear and helpful, but I'm not sure what the second bullet means. Clearly holes can't be located in red slopes: that's covered by bullet 1. But the bit about large yellow slopes seems odd. I'm reading this as saying that holes cannot be placed on consistent yellow slopes. That would be pretty restrictive for design, and I know I've seen a few yellow-slope holes featured on tour. Am I reading this bullet correctly?
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Post by cd06 on Dec 29, 2021 16:42:45 GMT -5
The yellow slope bit may be a tgc2019 thing since yellow wasn't legal for pins back then
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Post by sroel908 on Dec 29, 2021 16:51:45 GMT -5
The thing is...yellow slopes that cut through pin locations and the surrounding areas can be very difficult to putt through. If the green is fast and yellow leads into orange and into red, a missed putt can easily and quickly be carried off the green and onto the fringe, fairway, or worse.
Therefore, I think the key word there in the second bullet is "large". If your pin is on a yellow slope, and there is 50 feet of yellow, orange, or red slope surrounding the pin, too, that's going to be a problem.
For the most part, pins that have yellow thru the hole are fine. But it's the ones where the yellow keeps going, and leads into another, faster slope, where issues occur.
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Post by scootmcgoot on Dec 30, 2021 4:03:12 GMT -5
The key is playability. If you’ve got a really tucked pin and a yellow slope running through it that gives you no chance to stop a ball and drops you into the water…no bueno
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Post by b101 on Dec 30, 2021 5:02:05 GMT -5
Think we are yet to update that line: for large 'yellow' slopes, it should now read large 'orange' slopes. Even then, for platinum level courses, those may be fine.
Basically, don't put down dumb pins.
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