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Post by Brighttail on Apr 13, 2015 16:05:13 GMT -5
So especially since the last update I have been seeing an increase in putts I am attempting that either do not break or break to much. How they break does not match up with the graphics I'm seeing on my screen.
Example 1. On a hill. The grid on the right shows hill slopes to the right. Grid on the left shows hill slope to the left. The grid in front of me ZERO slope markers and yet, it breaks about a hole to the left on a 5 foot putt.
Example 2: At Magnolia #2 and #17 ... you would be on the side of what looks like a hill. The ball markers are coming from right to left at an enormous rate and yet when I adjusted and putted, there was zero or very little break to the left.
Example 3: There will be times I will look at a putt and see just a small break for lets say an 8 foot putt. I attempt it and it breaks a lot more than I figure and I go past the hole. As i look at my new putt and back where I was putting, I see that the slope markers are now moving at a speed closer to what the break actually was, but wasn't showing on the original putt.
Has anyone experienced this and has anyone heard from HB about this?
Curious.
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Post by fuzion on Apr 13, 2015 16:40:16 GMT -5
See this post by Doyley: I know what you are talking about but it's not a bug. The grid dots just aren't 100% accurate (and designed that way from what I can tell). To get 100% accurate green grids, you'd need multiple dots per grid box or much smaller boxes. So when your ball breaks left and the grid dots are moving right, it's because there's a severe slope on one edge of the grid that trumps the rest of the grid box (including the portion you are putting through) causing the dots to swing the other way. I've had lots of these putts. usually happens in the valley of two hills. Just have to take them as a guideline and not absolute truth - once you do that, you'll know when to trust them and when to go on your gut. Take the pic below - it's exaggerated, but in game the green dots would likely be going slowly left to right since the severe slope on the left trumps the slight slope filling the last half of the grid. So while the dots are moving left to right, if you are putting straight on, it will actually break right to left a bit.  |
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 13, 2015 17:12:03 GMT -5
This would explain one of the three scenarios but not the one where you are putting on the side of the hill and it doesn't break at all OR the fact that the slope indicators don't move when you are putting but looking back at them after you miss they are.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Apr 13, 2015 17:14:45 GMT -5
It does explain the 2nd one as you could have 75% of it flat so straight at the hole would be flat, then a massive drop in last 25% would give dramatic indicators.
Cant help with the 3rd!
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Post by rod81simo on Apr 13, 2015 17:18:54 GMT -5
This would explain one of the three scenarios but not the one where you are putting on the side of the hill and it doesn't break at all OR the fact that the slope indicators don't move when you are putting but looking back at them after you miss they are. Have you thought maybe that on your come-backer that because you veered off line and missed and continued to drift away from the hole on your original attempt that your come-backer is not on the exact same reverse side of the hole and therefore what you are now seeing in regards to the beads are not a true indication on your original beads on the reverse side of the hole. I can't say that I have noticed what you are referring to but have definately come across the scenarios that Doyley refers to where there is a change in the break between the lines and therefore the beads don't make sense in their speed. That's about it tho, everything else normally is fine tho |
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 13, 2015 17:39:27 GMT -5
This would explain one of the three scenarios but not the one where you are putting on the side of the hill and it doesn't break at all OR the fact that the slope indicators don't move when you are putting but looking back at them after you miss they are. Have you thought maybe that on your come-backer that because you veered off line and missed and continued to drift away from the hole on your original attempt that your come-backer is not on the exact same reverse side of the hole and therefore what you are now seeing in regards to the beads are not a true indication on your original beads on the reverse side of the hole. I can't say that I have noticed what you are referring to but have definately come across the scenarios that Doyley refers to where there is a change in the break between the lines and therefore the beads don't make sense in their speed. That's about it tho, everything else normally is fine tho The first time this happened, i thought that this was the case, but then i had a few situations where the slope indicator looked as if it was moving quite quickly and it didn't move. It was at magnolia with a down hill putt to i only went about 8 inches past. Turning right around all the slope indicators on the one behind the hole and the two on either side .. none were moving as quickly as they were when I putted the first putt. I'm pretty sure this is a graphical issue. My reason I say this is because i have been playing friends and they will miss a putt saying, they saw little to no break, but on MY screen, there was significant break. The same thing happened with me and they saw the same thing that I did. So I think there is a graphical bug somewhere here. |
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Post by mcbogga on Apr 15, 2015 12:20:51 GMT -5
So grid is broken - we might as well turn it off then I guess? ;-)
Never had any of these happen to me that could not be explained. Really like that it's not 100% transparent and this is something that good designers can and do use.
Do you have any video BT so we can see if we can figure it out? Marker 5-6 feet out and then going low with the behind hole cam usually gives the best read on the subtle ones. Especially take note of any hole tilt (a bit counterintuitive compared to real life where hole tilt is tricky and can throw your read).
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 15, 2015 13:59:57 GMT -5
#1 Yeti.. current tour, directly behind the hole.
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Post by Mitchblue on Apr 15, 2015 15:42:06 GMT -5
Also remember, you have a putt that's moving - you could be putting through the break. It's not as simple as the break is 5 clicks to the left, I aim 5 clicks to the left. Lots of reasons why you might be misreading the break.
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Post by mcbogga on Apr 15, 2015 19:43:22 GMT -5
Good point. Those ones that are near impossible to sink IRL due to a cross break are quite annoying. Play for break and it goes straight, hit it straight and it breaks. Same in game I suppose.
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Post by Pubknight on Apr 16, 2015 14:40:26 GMT -5
#1 Yeti.. current tour, directly behind the hole. That hole location is basically crowned. So all the beads around it kind of 'zero out'. Makes it look perfectly flat in the immediate vicinity of the hole, but it's not. If you use the putting camera, zoom way in, and circle strafe around the hole, it gives you a better idea of what's really going on inside the grid the hole is in. |
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 16, 2015 14:50:15 GMT -5
#1 Yeti.. current tour, directly behind the hole. That hole location is basically crowned. So all the beads around it kind of 'zero out'. Makes it look perfectly flat in the immediate vicinity of the hole, but it's not. If you use the putting camera, zoom way in, and circle strafe around the hole, it gives you a better idea of what's really going on inside the grid the hole is in. The problem is, the PC doesn't give you all these camera options very easily. The second issue is, while yes, it is possible to check the actual slope of the green, it kinda defeats the purpose of the slope lines  HB responded with : Hey BT, I believe this is due to the size of the smaller grids within the putting grid. They sometimes cannot display the correct slopes when they are minor or in between the grid lines, as we only have 1 bead showing per line. I'll have to keep an eye out for this a little closer. If you have any other examples of holes where this is very noticeable please post. Thanks. |
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Post by Pubknight on Apr 16, 2015 16:07:25 GMT -5
The beads are supposed to be a guide, you're still supposed to have to read the putt.
On the view thing, not following you.
I'm playing on PC lately, and I can flip through the putting camera views just fine.
What I described is exactly what I did (on pc) after I missed what sounds like the exact same putt in the exact same way.
Got right in there to see what was going on.
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Post by luforobot1 on Jan 7, 2016 6:54:18 GMT -5
excuse me if i jump in this thread. After 500 and more hours of play i'm still at the start about how to correct putt when i find myself ( always) on a grren with side slopes. No problem reading uphill/downhill straight putt, but reading slopes it's quite frustrating. I use to do so but it is ery simple and wrong:
no slope
minimal slope i count the horizontal grid separating me from the hole (for example 5 grid lines, so i click left/right five times against the slope)
medium slope i count the grid and multiply the number 1*5 / 2 times
hard slope i multiply for a factor of three
But it's crazy because sometimes it's too much, sometimes it is too little, and i can't figure a way to pull out from this mathematical nightmare;
more i have to consider ball speed in the process, if it is too fast it doesn't curve properly and go straight; if it is aslow ball it curves much more before I hope and it goes under the hole....
So, after this bitter outburst, are you so kinf to give me a little tips or tricks to go better?
thank you for you kindness
Luforobot aka Luigi fòffano
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Post by mcbogga on Jan 7, 2016 7:09:27 GMT -5
Maths won't work for anything more than rough rule of thumb since the grid squares are in fact not flat. I don't think like that at all. You just need to read the green and putt.
Real life concepts carry over really well. Strive to miss to the high side and you will start making more. Unless you have a consistent delivery speed at the hole you cannot really read the putts in a good way - so make sure your speed control is good.
Try not to give a away the hole within 6 feet. For the downhill sliders figure out the "lane" you need to slot the ball into and place the marker accordingly. Gravity always wins. Figure out the fall line through the hole and put more attention to the last five feet of the putt as the slope will affect the ball more as it slows down.
Half the battle is to leave straightish uphill putts to begin with...
What are your expectations by the way? No one in this game makes a lot of severe breakers outside of 15-20 feet...
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