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Post by theclv24 on Feb 21, 2021 20:37:43 GMT -5
Red flags.
Yeah that's nitpicky, so what? Unless you are designing an RCR that hosts the US Open, change the flags already. I don't want to see the same flags on every single course.
/rant
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Post by goetosyrus on Feb 22, 2021 10:15:27 GMT -5
Not having designed myself (yet!) I'm suspecting it's easy enough to lay down 18 fairways, 18 greens, some bunkering and elevation changes and then tart a course up with unnecessary "extras" to make it somewhat visually striking and appealing. The challenge lies in creating a course from scratch and making the player believe it's an actual course.
Exactly. I haven't published anything but I've played around in the designer quite a bit. Even with my limited skills it's not hard to lay out 18, tart it up and have it look at least presentable. But not realistic. The amazing designers in this game somehow make even the fantasy type courses look plausible
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Post by sroel908 on Feb 22, 2021 10:35:48 GMT -5
Red flags.
Yeah that's nitpicky, so what? Unless you are designing an RCR that hosts the US Open, change the flags already. I don't want to see the same flags on every single course.
/rant
Dang...my current WIP actually uses red flags on their course...
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Post by mde103 on Feb 22, 2021 11:33:49 GMT -5
This is more of a critique that I see at real courses pretty consistently. There are far too many courses with little to no variety in par 3 distance. I’m fine with par 3s requiring anything from flip wedge to driver, but I don’t want to pull the same club over and over again. If it’s a very windy site you could get away with similar distances if they are routed in different directions.
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Post by stack on Feb 22, 2021 13:30:06 GMT -5
Biggest pet peeve without a doubt: waterfalls. They're almost always an eyesore that detracts rather than enhances the look of a hole, yet designers seem to love 'em.
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Post by cd06 on Feb 22, 2021 13:34:45 GMT -5
Biggest pet peeve without a doubt: waterfalls. They're almost always an eyesore that detracts rather than enhances the look of a hole, yet designers seem to love 'em. Depends on how realistic you want a course, I guess. They also can be used for creeks if you use the smaller ones - super time consuming, but not many ways around it. Personally don't love them, but they can be done well.
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Post by b101 on Feb 22, 2021 14:25:52 GMT -5
Biggest pet peeve without a doubt: waterfalls. They're almost always an eyesore that detracts rather than enhances the look of a hole, yet designers seem to love 'em. Main reason is that we can’t tilt water. Apparently water doesn’t flow downhill in HB world unless it is a waterfall.
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Post by theclv24 on Feb 22, 2021 14:26:52 GMT -5
Red flags.
Yeah that's nitpicky, so what? Unless you are designing an RCR that hosts the US Open, change the flags already. I don't want to see the same flags on every single course.
/rant
Dang...my current WIP actually uses red flags on their course...
I think that qualifies under my US Open exception. If the course genuinely uses a red flag, or if your fictional course has a certain theme to it that lends itself to a red flag, then by all means use it. But so many fictional courses have the red flag that it feels pretty obvious that they just weren't touched or considered at all.
Seeing a red flag like that has the same effect on me as seeing a stock-shaped bunker or green brush on the course.
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Post by mvpmanatee on Feb 22, 2021 14:54:24 GMT -5
Biggest pet peeve without a doubt: waterfalls. They're almost always an eyesore that detracts rather than enhances the look of a hole, yet designers seem to love 'em. Depends on how realistic you want a course, I guess. They also can be used for creeks if you use the smaller ones - super time consuming, but not many ways around it. Personally don't love them, but they can be done well. This is the only time I have done waterfalls, as I had a creek that ran downhill. Very time consuming but worth it in the long run.
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Post by lessthanbread on Feb 22, 2021 15:12:11 GMT -5
Lol hey @babybull look at everyone hatin on big rocks and waterfalls! You’re screwed! Hahaha
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Post by b101 on Feb 22, 2021 15:33:34 GMT -5
Dang...my current WIP actually uses red flags on their course...
I think that qualifies under my US Open exception. If the course genuinely uses a red flag, or if your fictional course has a certain theme to it that lends itself to a red flag, then by all means use it. But so many fictional courses have the red flag that it feels pretty obvious that they just weren't touched or considered at all.
Seeing a red flag like that has the same effect on me as seeing a stock-shaped bunker or green brush on the course.
I've used red flags plenty by design. Main reason being that, other than the horrible (IMO) neon yellow, they have the best contrast with sky, water and trees. Frankly, never considered red as a US Open only colour - plenty of red flags in the UK. I'm sure a lot of people do leave them as is by default, but I think there's a logical reason for using them, too.
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Post by mattf27 on Feb 22, 2021 16:02:48 GMT -5
Well, I created an entire thread on bad course names....so there's that...
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Post by mctrees02 on Feb 22, 2021 16:16:14 GMT -5
Biggest pet peeve without a doubt: waterfalls. They're almost always an eyesore that detracts rather than enhances the look of a hole, yet designers seem to love 'em. Thank you. I suspect that maybe 1% of all real golf courses have a waterfall but it seems that 60% of TGCT submissions (not so much those that end up on tour thankfully) have waterfalls. When I starting seeing waterfalls on seaside links courses, I get really triggered. I'm also hopeful that as more designers see b101's recent video about how to create low-lying coastal sculpting that we'll see fewer courses with giant boulders lining water hazards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 17:37:26 GMT -5
Lol hey @babybull look at everyone hatin on big rocks and waterfalls! You’re screwed! Hahaha Yeah, I'm an easy target. However, trying to please "pet peevers" is a good way to get burned out and take all the enjoyment out of designing. Even if they make valid arguments for their criticisms. Don't get me wrong, there's always room for improvement. However, when you spend well over a hundred hours designing a course, and somebody that spends 15-20 minutes to play it complains about rocks...
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Post by Q on Feb 22, 2021 18:01:11 GMT -5
Lol hey @babybull look at everyone hatin on big rocks and waterfalls! You’re screwed! Hahaha Yeah, I'm an easy target. However, trying to please "pet peevers" is a good way to get burned out and take all the enjoyment out of designing. Even if they make valid arguments for their criticisms. Don't get me wrong, there's always room for improvement. However, when you spend well over a hundred hours designing a course, and somebody that spends 15-20 minutes to play it complains about rocks... I doubt they are directed at you specifically either, youve found a way to tastefully add rocks and waterfalls in a lot less of a garish fashion if that makes sense. These pet peeves are generalist anyways, there's always an exception to every rule afterall!
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