>101% Swings

[noosh]

Hey,

I've seen people hit 102, 103, even 105% swings and wondering how the hell to do it.

I've never managed to go above 101! Is the trick to wait longer at the top of the backswing?

Thanks!    

[sandsaver01]

Jan 14, 2021 6:04:16 GMT -5 noosh said:

Hey,

I've seen people hit 102, 103, even 105% swings and wondering how the hell to do it.

I've never managed to go above 101! Is the trick to wait longer at the top of the backswing?

Thanks!    

I have no problem hitting 102 to 105; as a matter of fact 102 is my usual, I can't get 100 but once in a blue moon. I have no idea why you are having this problem, but waiting longer at the top usually will give you 96 to 98%.

[noosh]

To clarify if this has any impact on anything I'm playing on PC with an xbox one controller.

[donkeypuncherben]

Yes the trick is to hold it a little longer at the top but not too long, just practice it

This is really valuable skill, not just to get extra long drives on drivable 4s and par 5s but also to help cover gaps in your bag, I will often hit a 103-105% 3 iron because I do not carry a hybrid and have a 30 yard gap between my 3 irons and 5 wood.  

[mrohde4]

Friendly reminder that off-tempo mishits aren't nearly as punishing if the percentage stays BELOW 100%. This can be accomplished by reducing your intent with the aiming reticule and starting your downswing earlier. A 90-95% driver won't stray too far offline, even with a marginally red fast. Can be a reliable fairway finder.

A valuable tool if actually trying for perfects, which I know is a rarity these days.

[Blade]

Jan 14, 2021 10:15:48 GMT -5 mrohde4 said:

Friendly reminder that off-tempo mishits aren't nearly as punishing if the percentage stays BELOW 100%. This can be accomplished by reducing your intent with the aiming reticule and starting your downswing earlier. A 90-95% driver won't stray too far offline, even with a marginally red fast. Can be a reliable fairway finder.

A valuable tool if actually trying for perfects, which I know is a rarity these days.

Why reduce the aiming reticule AND downswing early? Won't downswing early alone do the same thing? Thanks!

[knickerbocker]

102 is my standard swing. I generally hit my irons in the 103-104 range most of the time. I can't get power below 101 no matter how quick I start my downswing.

It is generally just how I swing and I have learned to play the game that way.

[mrohde4]

Jan 14, 2021 11:13:22 GMT -5 Blade said:

Jan 14, 2021 10:15:48 GMT -5 mrohde4 said:

Friendly reminder that off-tempo mishits aren't nearly as punishing if the percentage stays BELOW 100%. This can be accomplished by reducing your intent with the aiming reticule and starting your downswing earlier. A 90-95% driver won't stray too far offline, even with a marginally red fast. Can be a reliable fairway finder.

A valuable tool if actually trying for perfects, which I know is a rarity these days.

Why reduce the aiming reticule AND downswing early? Won't downswing early alone do the same thing? Thanks!

You're probably more likely to avoid the overswing section (anything above 100%) by doing both.  And by "starting early," I mean by visually starting early based on the golfer's backswing.  It's ok to start your downswing before the golfer reaches the tipp[y top.  You avoid the overswing section and your off-tempo swings are less punishing.  If your intent is 100% but you try to swing at 90%, the timing is off and it's more difficult to execute the intended 90% shot. But that's just my experience.

What grinds my gears is players who exclusively swing above 100% and also complain that tempo is too difficult or inconsistent.  In the red overswing section, the tempo box gets smaller thereby effectively making it more difficult to achieve perfect tempo.

This leads to players exclusively aiming four miles right and playing for the red fast because they believe it's the only way to achieve consistency.  When in reality, the red fast is a shank! 

[noosh]

Well, that's fascinating stuff with people actually getting 102-105 without even trying!

I tend to get 80% 101, and maybe 10-20% 99-100s when going for full shots.

I do go for fasts on most shots (both reds and greys, as I tend to hit grey fast more consistently than perfect when going for that).

I've tried in a practice round to wait for the downswing a bit more today, but still got stuck on my usual 101, will experiment further later!

[knickerbocker]

Jan 14, 2021 12:30:26 GMT -5 mrohde4 said:

Jan 14, 2021 11:13:22 GMT -5 Blade said:

Why reduce the aiming reticule AND downswing early? Won't downswing early alone do the same thing? Thanks!

You're probably more likely to avoid the overswing section (anything above 100%) by doing both.  And by "starting early," I mean by visually starting early based on the golfer's backswing.  It's ok to start your downswing before the golfer reaches the tipp[y top.  You avoid the overswing section and your off-tempo swings are less punishing.  If your intent is 100% but you try to swing at 90%, the timing is off and it's more difficult to execute the intended 90% shot. But that's just my experience.

What grinds my gears is players who exclusively swing above 100% and also complain that tempo is too difficult or inconsistent.  In the red overswing section, the tempo box gets smaller thereby effectively making it more difficult to achieve perfect tempo.

This leads to players exclusively aiming four miles right and playing for the red fast because they believe it's the only way to achieve consistency.  When in reality, the red fast is a shank! 

I do not play the red fast and I am always above 100.  

[sandsaver01]

Jan 14, 2021 15:54:49 GMT -5 noosh said:

Well, that's fascinating stuff with people actually getting 102-105 without even trying!

I tend to get 80% 101, and maybe 10-20% 99-100s when going for full shots.

I do go for fasts on most shots (both reds and greys, as I tend to hit grey fast more consistently than perfect when going for that).

I've tried in a practice round to wait for the downswing a bit more today, but still got stuck on my usual 101, will experiment further later!

I must say Noosh that I personally don't try for 105%, and unfortunately I usually get it just when it screws me over. It makes a giant percentage difference on medium to short approach shots, going way long when a 101% would put me pin high. If I could always get 100-101% I would be a happy camper .

[mrohde4]

Jan 14, 2021 16:00:35 GMT -5 knickerbocker said:

Jan 14, 2021 12:30:26 GMT -5 mrohde4 said:

You're probably more likely to avoid the overswing section (anything above 100%) by doing both.  And by "starting early," I mean by visually starting early based on the golfer's backswing.  It's ok to start your downswing before the golfer reaches the tipp[y top.  You avoid the overswing section and your off-tempo swings are less punishing.  If your intent is 100% but you try to swing at 90%, the timing is off and it's more difficult to execute the intended 90% shot. But that's just my experience.

What grinds my gears is players who exclusively swing above 100% and also complain that tempo is too difficult or inconsistent.  In the red overswing section, the tempo box gets smaller thereby effectively making it more difficult to achieve perfect tempo.

This leads to players exclusively aiming four miles right and playing for the red fast because they believe it's the only way to achieve consistency.  When in reality, the red fast is a shank! 

I do not play the red fast and I am always above 100.  

You should probably experiment by decreasing your intent with the reticule. It's especially helpful on the short game shots - flop, pitch, etc.  Being able to play effectively under 100% can definitely lower scores, but it requires some practice and feel.

[Blade]

Jan 14, 2021 12:30:26 GMT -5 mrohde4 said:

Jan 14, 2021 11:13:22 GMT -5 Blade said:

Why reduce the aiming reticule AND downswing early? Won't downswing early alone do the same thing? Thanks!

You're probably more likely to avoid the overswing section (anything above 100%) by doing both.  And by "starting early," I mean by visually starting early based on the golfer's backswing.  It's ok to start your downswing before the golfer reaches the tipp[y top.  You avoid the overswing section and your off-tempo swings are less punishing.  If your intent is 100% but you try to swing at 90%, the timing is off and it's more difficult to execute the intended 90% shot. But that's just my experience.

What grinds my gears is players who exclusively swing above 100% and also complain that tempo is too difficult or inconsistent.  In the red overswing section, the tempo box gets smaller thereby effectively making it more difficult to achieve perfect tempo.

This leads to players exclusively aiming four miles right and playing for the red fast because they believe it's the only way to achieve consistency.  When in reality, the red fast is a shank! 

Thanks - off to the practice course to play with that a little bit! It does make sense and I have noticed some improvement since I stopped trying to get 100% every time, so moving the aim could be interesting. Thanks!

[mrohde4]

Jan 14, 2021 19:05:09 GMT -5 Blade said:

Jan 14, 2021 12:30:26 GMT -5 mrohde4 said:

You're probably more likely to avoid the overswing section (anything above 100%) by doing both.  And by "starting early," I mean by visually starting early based on the golfer's backswing.  It's ok to start your downswing before the golfer reaches the tipp[y top.  You avoid the overswing section and your off-tempo swings are less punishing.  If your intent is 100% but you try to swing at 90%, the timing is off and it's more difficult to execute the intended 90% shot. But that's just my experience.

What grinds my gears is players who exclusively swing above 100% and also complain that tempo is too difficult or inconsistent.  In the red overswing section, the tempo box gets smaller thereby effectively making it more difficult to achieve perfect tempo.

This leads to players exclusively aiming four miles right and playing for the red fast because they believe it's the only way to achieve consistency.  When in reality, the red fast is a shank! 

Thanks - off to the practice course to play with that a little bit! It does make sense and I have noticed some improvement since I stopped trying to get 100% every time, so moving the aim could be interesting. Thanks!

Good stuff Blade, best of luck getting the feel of it all.  It's elusive. All about managing misses.  Design a shot where the worst case scenario is a short chip.  Aim for the fat part of the green and hope for the best.  That's the beauty of Master mode. No shot is easily a dart.  Everything requires some math, precision and execution. That's why I despise the red fast strategy. It guarantees a general one-way flight path and distance. Unfortunately, a non-competitive shot that allows success that's easier to achieve than perfect.  On the lower difficulty modes, a red fast is considered a shank.  Everyone goes for perfect. It should be the same on Master.

[ffrog]

Jan 14, 2021 15:54:49 GMT -5 noosh said:

Well, that's fascinating stuff with people actually getting 102-105 without even trying!

I tend to get 80% 101, and maybe 10-20% 99-100s when going for full shots.

I do go for fasts on most shots (both reds and greys, as I tend to hit grey fast more consistently than perfect when going for that).

I've tried in a practice round to wait for the downswing a bit more today, but still got stuck on my usual 101, will experiment further later!

I'm also playing on a PC with an XBox controller, and I have a very similar experience. I've never seen anything over 101%. Going for 100%, I get 101% most of the tie, and occasionally a ~95%. 100% shots are very elusive.

I've started moving the aiming reticule back 2 yards (for drives), it's then a lot easier to get 99% and a drive that goes vaguely straight.