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Post by lessthanbread on Jan 6, 2021 20:26:28 GMT -5
I don’t have enough knowledge of real courses to make an intelligent comment other than I wish tour stops would rotate more. Unfortunately they need to consider a course’s ability to host a PGA tournament (fans, tourney buildings, nearby lodging for players and staff, other PGA infrastructure stuff). I feel like those needs alone probably eliminate a lot of fantastic courses
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Jan 6, 2021 21:18:41 GMT -5
What does everyone think of Austin Country Club?? I like it a lot, but that may be local bias. It works well for match play, and has some nice tight & short holes ... and looks great as I drive across the Pennybacker Bridge at tourney time with all the grandstands on the riverside holes. Not great access & space for a full field event, Barton Creek was better for that back in the Legends of Golf days.
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Post by tpetro on Jan 6, 2021 21:31:00 GMT -5
What does everyone think of Austin Country Club?? I like it a lot, but that may be local bias. It works well for match play, and has some nice tight & short holes ... and looks great as I drive across the Pennybacker Bridge at tourney time with all the grandstands on the riverside holes. Not great access & space for a full field event, Barton Creek was better for that back in the Legends of Golf days. Barton Creek sucks.
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Jan 6, 2021 21:58:47 GMT -5
As a course, yeah, but certainly friendlier on me as a spectator, even 28 years ago ... when my legs were young. Saw some good play by the Seniors of the day, and the tickets were comped by a beer vendor we knew !
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Jan 6, 2021 22:01:58 GMT -5
Have you played Austin courses, my favorite pistol-packing reviewer ? It's been my base for 36 years now, but haven't had the budget to play the best tracks. Retail management, after all.
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Post by tpetro on Jan 6, 2021 22:09:51 GMT -5
Never been, but I've got some buddies down there and I need to make a trip at some point
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Post by mvpmanatee on Jan 7, 2021 9:44:14 GMT -5
The ocean holes at Pebble Beach are awesome (especially 7 and 8), but the inland holes are meh. I have trouble seeing Pebble Beach's inland holes as "meh" to be honest. There are a lot of fun, exciting par 4s: 1, 3, 11, 13, and 16 in that stretch. I also love the 14th green and I think the 2nd hole as a short par 5 with the ditch in front is awesome. I think courses like Pebble suffer from this problem a lot as people expect the entire course to be perfect. My dad recently played Cypress and his first impression was that it was boring until the 13th... Luckily I was quickly able to convince him otherwise.
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Post by cd06 on Jan 7, 2021 12:26:21 GMT -5
Honestly I kinda agree with those that say Pebble has some really average holes. Some of you will disagree, but I think 14 is a really dull hole. It's not so much that you can't go for it in two easily, it's more the fact that there isn't much strategy until you get towards the green (which I really don't like).
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Post by mvpmanatee on Jan 7, 2021 14:12:12 GMT -5
Honestly I kinda agree with those that say Pebble has some really average holes. Some of you will disagree, but I think 14 is a really dull hole. It's not so much that you can't go for it in two easily, it's more the fact that there isn't much strategy until you get towards the green (which I really don't like). The entire hole's strategy is dictated by the green.
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Post by cd06 on Jan 7, 2021 14:46:48 GMT -5
I just find that green a little too severe personally.
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Post by lessthanbread on Jan 7, 2021 14:57:35 GMT -5
Man I wish I knew every hole of famous courses. The only one I'm decently familiar with is Augusta and even that course I'm very fuzzy in places. Where/how did you guys get and retain this info?
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Post by Q on Jan 7, 2021 15:05:11 GMT -5
Man I wish I knew every hole of famous courses. The only one I'm decently familiar with is Augusta and even that course I'm very fuzzy in places. Where/how did you guys get and retain this info? Even when my grandfather had later stage alzheimer's he would forget my name but be able to tell me detailed stories about his playthrough of pebble when he was younger. Because you end up telling people these golf stories repeatedly they usually end up lodged in your mind. Memory is all about how much you use it. Pebble isn't just a good venue but a perfect place for a Pro-Am and will always draw a large crowd. I hope I get to see Bill Murray play it at least once more!
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Post by sroel908 on Jan 7, 2021 15:15:34 GMT -5
Man I wish I knew every hole of famous courses. The only one I'm decently familiar with is Augusta and even that course I'm very fuzzy in places. Where/how did you guys get and retain this info? It's, for me anyway, due to playing Tiger Woods PGA Tour video games. Courses like St. Andrews, TPC Sawgrass, Pebble Beach, Torrey Pines, etc. were always in that series, and I played them who knows how many times. Once Augusta was added back in TW12, I played it so many times and looked at all the Masters/Augusta extras they had on there (like a hole-by-hole tour narrated by Jim Nantz). I now know Augusta like the back of my hand, and still can visualize lots of other courses that came thru that series.
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Post by mvpmanatee on Jan 7, 2021 15:15:45 GMT -5
I just find that green a little too severe personally. Yes it is definitely a severe green - but I think under normal green speeds (not US Open speeds) that green can actually be pretty receptive. I love how the bunker angle dictates the 2nd shot approach. Most pros can get there, but the penalty for being in that front bunker to a pin in the far left, takes birdie out of the equation. The slope in the middle of the green forces players to hug the right side with their 2nd shot even if laying up, and that brings OB, trees, and heavy rough into play. The only bail out to a left pin is long or slightly left, and the only bail out on a right pin is short right. I have been lucky enough to attend both of the last 2 US Opens, and a couple of AT&T Pro am rounds at Pebble, and the 14th in my opinion is one of the most exciting places to watch golf, as the pin position really forces the best players in the world to hit the right shot. Did you see Gary Woodland's 3 wood approach on 14 in the final round?: It arguably won him the event.
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Post by tpetro on Jan 7, 2021 17:18:38 GMT -5
Man I wish I knew every hole of famous courses. The only one I'm decently familiar with is Augusta and even that course I'm very fuzzy in places. Where/how did you guys get and retain this info? Paradise
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