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Post by cseanny on Apr 18, 2021 21:26:40 GMT -5
If passing API and within TGCTour rules, everything is legal imo.
Is the RF broken? Yep! Is the splash broken? Yep! Is the 96% broken? Yeppers! Is the game playing as intended? According to HB, yep! They have been very adamant and firm on that aspect. So again, play the game within the rules and have FUN.
P.s. The "flick" shot is back and as strong as ever, however, in this version the new code and API simply views it differently. Feels bad for the guys who imo, had to unfairly change their swing in the old game. At least they can use their old swing and hit the leader boards with a vengeance again. That's a positive in my eyes!
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Post by nevadaballin on Apr 19, 2021 1:22:04 GMT -5
If passing API and within TGCTour rules, everything is legal imo.
Is the RF broken? Yep! Is the splash broken? Yep! Is the 96% broken? Yeppers! Is the game playing as intended? According to HB, yep! They have been very adamant and firm on that aspect. So again, play the game within the rules and have FUN.
P.s. The "flick" shot is back and as strong as ever, however, in this version the new code and API simply views it differently. Feels bad for the guys who imo, had to unfairly change their swing in the old game. At least they can use their old swing and hit the leader boards with a vengeance again. That's a positive in my eyes!
The game is not playing as intended. HB can try to snake that line of crap to whoever chooses to believe them. I’m not buying it. It’s the old “undocumented feature” excuse. Total BS imo.
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Post by mrohde4 on Apr 19, 2021 9:26:58 GMT -5
If passing API and within TGCTour rules, everything is legal imo.
Is the RF broken? Yep! Is the splash broken? Yep! Is the 96% broken? Yeppers! Is the game playing as intended? According to HB, yep! They have been very adamant and firm on that aspect. So again, play the game within the rules and have FUN.
P.s. The "flick" shot is back and as strong as ever, however, in this version the new code and API simply views it differently. Feels bad for the guys who imo, had to unfairly change their swing in the old game. At least they can use their old swing and hit the leader boards with a vengeance again. That's a positive in my eyes!
Pretty sure there's an important difference between "the software is functioning as intended" and "users are using the software as intended." Has HB ever said that aiming way right/left and tricking your avatar to hit the ball away from the aim point was how they foresaw people playing their computer game? Genuinely asking. And please something more than "if someone wants to chart everything with red fast, then have at it" or whatever was said. I find it difficult to believe HB foresaw so many players using the RF as their stock shot. Would be a far cry from so many other game indicators and strategy assists. If it's somewhere, can you share?
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Post by cseanny on Apr 19, 2021 11:00:37 GMT -5
I'm in no position to answer that specific question for HB_Craig.
I'm going directly off my personal 1:1 interaction with him. He's stated his opinions to my previous points quite clearly. If you have any questions regarding RF, 96%, splashes, or his views on putting vibration/previews (there was contested views on this too) just PM or ask him over at HB forums.
Imo he's quite rigid and unmoving once his mind is made up though, so good luck. Who knows, maybe he's changed his mind.
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 21, 2021 0:30:14 GMT -5
I'm in no position to answer that specific question for HB_Craig. I'm going directly off my personal 1:1 interaction with him. He's stated his opinions to my previous points quite clearly. If you have any questions regarding RF, 96%, splashes, or his views on putting vibration/previews (there was contested views on this too) just PM or ask him over at HB forums. Imo he's quite rigid and unmoving once his mind is made up though, so good luck. Who knows, maybe he's changed his mind. Ask him? Man’s a ghost nowadays... We’ve been here before - flick swing and push/pull ... you’re 100% correct about him being unmoving. Whether it’s failure to understand the issue at hand and it’s implications, pig ignorance or protectionism, isn’t clear to me.
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Post by dime5150 on Apr 21, 2021 8:55:01 GMT -5
I'm in no position to answer that specific question for HB_Craig. I'm going directly off my personal 1:1 interaction with him. He's stated his opinions to my previous points quite clearly. If you have any questions regarding RF, 96%, splashes, or his views on putting vibration/previews (there was contested views on this too) just PM or ask him over at HB forums. Imo he's quite rigid and unmoving once his mind is made up though, so good luck. Who knows, maybe he's changed his mind. Ask him? Man’s a ghost nowadays... We’ve been here before - flick swing and push/pull ... you’re 100% correct about him being unmoving. Whether it’s failure to understand the issue at hand and it’s implications, pig ignorance or protectionism, isn’t clear to me. What exactly are its "implications"?
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 21, 2021 9:16:28 GMT -5
Ask him? Man’s a ghost nowadays... We’ve been here before - flick swing and push/pull ... you’re 100% correct about him being unmoving. Whether it’s failure to understand the issue at hand and it’s implications, pig ignorance or protectionism, isn’t clear to me. What exactly are its "implications"? The game being played in such a way that removes a key aspect of the “Master” difficulty level that many of us lobbied for. The “Master” difficulty level being fudged, even by some of those that called for it, ironically. High end competitive play not being conducted on a level field. Game image being tarnished due to the BS surrounding it... and a few more I don’t care to take the time to type up.
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Post by mrohde4 on Apr 21, 2021 11:08:51 GMT -5
What exactly are its "implications"? The game being played in such a way that removes a key aspect of the “Master” difficulty level that many of us lobbied for. The “Master” difficulty level being fudged, even by some of those that called for it, ironically. High end competitive play not being conducted on a level field. Game image being tarnished due to the BS surrounding it... and a few more I don’t care to take the time to type up. IMHO... the implications of ignoring a glaring design flaw have resulted in a large faction of users making a mockery of the game's challenge. It only gets worse in Legend difficulty. My guess is HB would rather publicly say everything is "playing as intended" than admit a glaring design mistake while also simultaneously alienating many competitive users (a large portion of TGCTours) by reprimanding them for using a guided mishit as a stock shot. If playing the RF was truly how HB foresaw players tackling Master and Legend difficulty, then the game is an utter joke.
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Post by cseanny on Apr 21, 2021 12:48:53 GMT -5
I agree with you except for the above portion.
HB is only reprimanding/dismissing people accusing them the game is broken, or reprimanding/dismissing the people whom are accusing others for playing the game in a manner they (the accusers) determine to be broken, like RF, splashes outside of bunker, putt previews, putt vibration, etc.
Simply put, if you look at the tone and overall responses from HB surrounding any of this they just don't want to hear it.
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Post by mrohde4 on Apr 21, 2021 14:07:26 GMT -5
I agree with you except for the above portion.
HB is only reprimanding/dismissing people accusing them the game is broken, or reprimanding/dismissing the people whom are accusing others for playing the game in a manner they (the accusers) determine to be broken, like RF, splashes outside of bunker, putt previews, putt vibration, etc.
Simply put, if you look at the tone and overall responses from HB surrounding any of this they just don't want to hear it.
I understand that HB is dismissive of complaints and accusations against other players. But there'd be a double whammy backlash if they admitted to overlooking a terrible gameplay flaw while also telling users their RF adopted strategy needs to change or "isn't how they intended players to play the game." The blow to credibility would be massive. Regardless of whether HB wanted to or not, I truly wonder how difficult it'd be to fix the RF by implementing harsher distance and direction randomness. Unless such a fix is a huge undertaking, HB's attitude seems to be "They're having fun, just leave it alone!"
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Post by sroel908 on Apr 21, 2021 14:48:38 GMT -5
So I don't really have a horse in this race...I don't play much on tour anymore and if I do, it's in Beer League. I play how I want to play, others play how they want to play, and I leave it at that. Whether HB should just sit back and let it happen...well, I guess that's what this forum is for!
Anyway, I was interested to see that CrazyCanuck put out a twitter poll on this topic today.
At this time, about 60% of folks who responded play for red fasts either always or at least some of the time. There have been 134 votes on the poll as of the publishing of this post.
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Post by twofor22 on Apr 21, 2021 14:59:33 GMT -5
I'd be in the sometimes category. I'll use it deliberately off the tee to counteract a crosswind depending on the layout of the fairway, or to curl around a curved fairway. Short pitches and splashes from bunkers are other instances when I'll use it, because it is predictable and it avoids the slow. I always go for perfects otherwise or at least a grey fast just to avoid the dreaded slow.
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Post by dime5150 on Apr 21, 2021 15:39:57 GMT -5
What exactly are its "implications"? The game being played in such a way that removes a key aspect of the “Master” difficulty level that many of us lobbied for. The “Master” difficulty level being fudged, even by some of those that called for it, ironically. High end competitive play not being conducted on a level field. Game image being tarnished due to the BS surrounding it... and a few more I don’t care to take the time to type up. I love the game, like most things, a small vocal minority seem to make the most noise, but that doesn't by itself mean anything is wrong.
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Post by mrohde4 on Apr 21, 2021 17:17:21 GMT -5
The game being played in such a way that removes a key aspect of the “Master” difficulty level that many of us lobbied for. The “Master” difficulty level being fudged, even by some of those that called for it, ironically. High end competitive play not being conducted on a level field. Game image being tarnished due to the BS surrounding it... and a few more I don’t care to take the time to type up. I love the game, like most things, a small vocal minority seem to make the most noise, but that doesn't by itself mean anything is wrong. I'd agree there's very few who calling for change, but plenty more than a vocal minority believe the RF is a severe flaw when looking at the game as a whole.
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Post by nevadaballin on Apr 21, 2021 22:47:55 GMT -5
The game being played in such a way that removes a key aspect of the “Master” difficulty level that many of us lobbied for. The “Master” difficulty level being fudged, even by some of those that called for it, ironically. High end competitive play not being conducted on a level field. Game image being tarnished due to the BS surrounding it... and a few more I don’t care to take the time to type up. I love the game, like most things, a small vocal minority seem to make the most noise, but that doesn't by itself mean anything is wrong. It isn’t by itself. There’s actually a proven flaw in the game to go with it.
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