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Post by theclv24 on Nov 16, 2020 21:15:38 GMT -5
Just published Big Golf Weekend 2020.
It's mostly to troll HB and 2K, but it does feature the 2020 pin locations. There's a handful of pins out of the 72 total that I haven't seen in awhile, or ever, and I didn't do any playtesting, so just a word of caution. I think they are all fine, but I didn't have time to do much else other than fiddle with the lighting.
Favorite the course right away if you want to keep it around, otherwise it's not a huge departure from the other censored versions.
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Post by pozbaird on Nov 17, 2020 10:39:40 GMT -5
Played today - tremendous... and I never took a 10 at the Par 3 12th. No idea why any two-bit hacker could take a 10. Pah, amateur hour!
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Post by sroel908 on Nov 17, 2020 11:12:43 GMT -5
Just wanted to add my thanks to the list of folks that have already chimed in...for me, part of the appeal of TGC and now 2K21 is playing high-quality RCRs, and it's too bad they're taking a hardline approach on these great courses folks like you have designed over the years.
So, thanks for all your work!
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Post by mattf27 on Nov 17, 2020 13:33:51 GMT -5
Just wanted to add my thanks to the list of folks that have already chimed in...for me, part of the appeal of TGC and now 2K21 is playing high-quality RCRs, and it's too bad they're taking a hardline approach on these great courses folks like you have designed over the years. So, thanks for all your work! They have no legal alternative. Since they did not pay to license those courses, and it is not their intellectual property, they have to remove them when requested. And ANGC is absolutely going to insist.
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Post by sroel908 on Nov 17, 2020 15:38:36 GMT -5
Just wanted to add my thanks to the list of folks that have already chimed in...for me, part of the appeal of TGC and now 2K21 is playing high-quality RCRs, and it's too bad they're taking a hardline approach on these great courses folks like you have designed over the years. So, thanks for all your work! They have no legal alternative. Since they did not pay to license those courses, and it is not their intellectual property, they have to remove them when requested. And ANGC is absolutely going to insist. I understand the reason they are doing it...but that doesn't make it any less frustrating. That, along with the 2K marketing that played off the "Big Golf Weekend" at the same time they filtered out people's ability to virtually take part in the "Big Golf Weekend" just didn't sit well with me. It also frustrates me that HB and 2K are so quick to act on these things (again, I understand legally why they take swift action), but issues persist with the game itself that will likely never be addressed. I don't actually "play" this game very much, in terms of TGC Tours, local rounds, career mode, etc. I only work on designing courses. And the one I am working on now is an RCR of a popular, well-known, and visible course, so I am hesitant to even publish it, given the more aggressive policing of real courses in 2K21. Granted, my skills in the designer don't come anywhere near most of the talented RCR designers here, who come up with near picture-perfect digital replicas. But just knowing how aggressive they are being this time around, puts a bit of a pause in my plans to publish any future RCRs. And if that happens, I won't even fire up the game at all...
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Post by FRSTDWN on Nov 17, 2020 19:02:49 GMT -5
Clv hate to see if guys like you stop making these high end RCRs. But fully understand considering.
Whatever you decide you and a couple other guys hard work has made this game what it is.
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Post by scopro7 on Nov 18, 2020 9:28:59 GMT -5
What annoys me is that I live in St Andrews and the old course is owned by the people of Scotland and St Andrews as its 'common public land' the links trust was established to oversee the management of the course as the council was disbanded in that area and an act of parliament states, Under the 1974 Act, the Trust must "hold and maintain the Links as a public park and place of public resort and recreation for the residents of the town of St Andrews and others resorting thereto".
So it grinds my gears when someone uses thier own time and recreates an area of this public land in a video game that they are forced to remove it. It should be in the game
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Post by theclv24 on Nov 18, 2020 9:53:32 GMT -5
What annoys me is that I live in St Andrews and the old course is owned by the people of Scotland and St Andrews as its 'common public land' the links trust was established to oversee the management of the course as the council was disbanded in that area and an act of parliament states, Under the 1974 Act, the Trust must "hold and maintain the Links as a public park and place of public resort and recreation for the residents of the town of St Andrews and others resorting thereto". So it grinds my gears when someone uses thier own time and recreates an area of this public land in a video game that they are forced to remove it. It should be in the game
Yeah, I think the main issue all this time has mostly been that HB refuses to communicate the reasons for censoring any of the courses. A simple acknowledgement of who lodged the complaint and what they took offense with, such as was it simply a naming rights issue, or as in the case of Augusta, do they also believe that a course that looks like the real thing shouldn't be in the game regardless of what it is named?
I know there is a gray area and they don't want to be seen as aiding designers in infringing upon a course's rights for their own profit, but this current policy of complete silence is untenable.
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Post by jeffbdvs on Nov 28, 2020 16:26:05 GMT -5
Censoring names is one thing. Actually deleting the courses would be another. I’m just grateful HB/2K are tiptoeing that legal line so far and not deleting the courses.
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Post by ZoSoSF on Nov 28, 2020 16:55:58 GMT -5
this is all so silly. HB knows that they can, just like Twitter et al, claim that they are not the 'publishers' of the content that we create with the designer. they only host the platform. none of this matters in any way whatsoever in the real world and it's ridiculous that Augusta or St. Andrews or any other corporate entity thinks that it's that important. if they're not going to pay someone to publish an official version of their course then they can F-OFF. it's a video game, for chrissakes.
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Post by theclv24 on Dec 10, 2020 23:14:20 GMT -5
Got this from 2K/HB, and I haven't even poked the bear lately, or had anything deleted in a few weeks:
So on one hand, they know how to reach me if they want to talk.
On the other hand, there's nothing actually helpful here.
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Post by hickoryghost on Dec 10, 2020 23:23:35 GMT -5
So, what dos the TOS say? That you can't use the ANGC objects to built ANGC?
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Post by sroel908 on Dec 10, 2020 23:50:59 GMT -5
I remember those terms of use coming up the first time I went into the designer. Didn't remember that screen coming up in previous TGC games, so I assumed that they were perhaps cracking down on more inappropriate content, etc.
I didn't realize how harsh course owners and HB would be in terms of shutting down or limiting access to RCRs...
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Post by paddyjk19 on Dec 11, 2020 3:08:46 GMT -5
I might be poking the bear a little with this....
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Post by theclv24 on Dec 11, 2020 6:00:03 GMT -5
I might be poking the bear a little with this....
Lol
Well I think it's clear that they don't care at all about real courses, up until the point that someone externally forces them to care. For probably 95% or more of courses, it won't be an issue.
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