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Post by gatorman on Sept 25, 2020 8:00:44 GMT -5
My impression is the low scores are just as prevalent in the new game, if not more so. I was wondering if TGCTOURS was planning on presenting any analysis comparing scoring between last season and new season. The game got harder for many players, but some have mastered it already. I keep searching for the anatomy of a -40 score. I’ve watched a number of videos of players shooting low scores. I can see many perfect, near perfect, consistent fast tempo, club selection, and how the shot is set up. But I can’t see how the controller is utilized to execute good/consistent tempo and swing plane. I have contorted my thumb and controller in many ways searching for something that can give me any degree of confidence in my shot. No luck so far.
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Post by Denzil Penberthy on Sept 25, 2020 8:21:10 GMT -5
gatorman , I think there are a couple of factors. The majority of good players are naturals. A bit of tweaking here and there and they are back to good scoring. They also self-analyse more than the average player who carry’s on playing the same way expecting his results to dramatically improve. Sometimes they will...... I am not in the natural bracket. But for the previous 2 iterations of the game I struggled out the the gate and ended up in CCA (TGC2) and CCD (2019). Worked my way up by improving and ended up as a medium players in PGA at the end of both versions of the game. I have massively played 2K21 trying to make sure I don’t make the mistakes again - figuring out when something doesn’t work etc etc. Trial and error no haptic putting. I am currently in the Platinum bracket but doubt I will ever be in the challenging for trophy tier. That’s cool. My advice is to play the PGA Tour in game. Work out what doesn’t work and try to find stuff that does. Play smarter. Good luck and play well, DP.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Sept 25, 2020 8:26:08 GMT -5
Whisky Dunes would have been a -60 to -70 course in those conditions on the PGA last season.
in Q School only a handful have broken -50.
Appreciate that to those struggling to break par shooting that well seems impossible but I don't think anyone can seriously claim 2K21 is easier than 2019. All the evidence so far suggests it just isn't.
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Post by hammo24983 on Sept 25, 2020 9:43:02 GMT -5
Whisky Dunes would have been a -60 to -70 course in those conditions on the PGA last season.
in Q School only a handful have broken -50.
Appreciate that to those struggling to break par shooting that well seems impossible but I don't think anyone can seriously claim 2K21 is easier than 2019. All the evidence so far suggests it just isn't. For me I’m finding it easier. I’m finding it pretty easy to consistently get a fast tempo on each swing which produces a similar result each time. How straight you flick the stick is not as important now and that was where I struggled in previous games. The short game, especially chipping is much easier than TGC19 in my view. I’ve chipped in more the past month than I did for two years on TGC19. You can spin splash and pitch shots more making it easier to get close to all pin positions. So I’m one of the minority finding it easier I guess
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Post by nightowl on Sept 25, 2020 20:03:53 GMT -5
Whisky Dunes would have been a -60 to -70 course in those conditions on the PGA last season.
in Q School only a handful have broken -50.
Appreciate that to those struggling to break par shooting that well seems impossible but I don't think anyone can seriously claim 2K21 is easier than 2019. All the evidence so far suggests it just isn't. For me I’m finding it easier. I’m finding it pretty easy to consistently get a fast tempo on each swing which produces a similar result each time. How straight you flick the stick is not as important now and that was where I struggled in previous games. The short game, especially chipping is much easier than TGC19 in my view. I’ve chipped in more the past month than I did for two years on TGC19. You can spin splash and pitch shots more making it easier to get close to all pin positions. So I’m one of the minority finding it easier I guess Those who were given preview copies of the game provided feedback to the developers. Right away, some of them mentioned that the short game was too easy at the highest levels. I've played 100+ rounds and I agree (though I've only played on Pro so far). Not enough challenge with the short game. The splash shot is ridiculously predictable -- chipping, too. In fact, I think Pro is easier in the new game than the previous game. So, you're not alone. If the developers ignore this feedback, it'll be a shame. But I won't be surprised.
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Post by hammo24983 on Sept 25, 2020 20:51:37 GMT -5
For me I’m finding it easier. I’m finding it pretty easy to consistently get a fast tempo on each swing which produces a similar result each time. How straight you flick the stick is not as important now and that was where I struggled in previous games. The short game, especially chipping is much easier than TGC19 in my view. I’ve chipped in more the past month than I did for two years on TGC19. You can spin splash and pitch shots more making it easier to get close to all pin positions. So I’m one of the minority finding it easier I guess Those who were given preview copies of the game provided feedback to the developers. Right away, some of them mentioned that the short game was too easy at the highest levels. I've played 100+ rounds and I agree (though I've only played on Pro so far). Not enough challenge with the short game. The splash shot is ridiculously predictable -- chipping, too. In fact, I think Pro is easier in the new game than the previous game. So, you're not alone. If the developers ignore this feedback, it'll be a shame. But I won't be surprised. Yeah I thought they got the short game close to spot on in TGC19. Chipping required real precision which it now doesn’t. Having a splash added on top of a flop and pitch means every yardage is basically covered from 15 to 100m. Far too easy in my view
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 25, 2020 20:58:32 GMT -5
I find some parts of it easier than 2019, like chipping and things like that but overall it's more difficult to score the same as I did. However, I never used master clubs in the previous game because I couldn't keep the swing plane straight enough. It seems easier to do that in this game. If I did I may well have scored about the same as I am now.
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Post by Mick on Sept 26, 2020 7:46:46 GMT -5
From first glance it looks like the natural players have adapted while the average players are struggling more than ever likely due to not playing as much. I do think there is something in the game code that the devs put in there so that more than likely your ball will go off the fairway more, roll off the green so you have long putts, or go into sand traps more.
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 26, 2020 14:47:20 GMT -5
I doubt it. I played a few rounds in real life recently on courses with rather firm fairways and greens slick enough that a strong wind would cause balls to roll by themselves, quite often chip shots or short approach shots would roll off the other side especially if the green was sloped down away from where the ball was hit from. One round I hit a beautiful drive down the fairway only for it to roll left, then off the fairway through some light rough and into the water beside it. Nothing was gonna stop that ball. If the conditions are there, it will happen.
The firm fairways and fast green speeds in this game remind me of those courses. It's no real surprise to me to see balls not stopping, or good looking shots wind up in crappy positions.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Sept 26, 2020 15:03:59 GMT -5
The putting in the new game makes it at least 4 strokes tougher per round.
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Post by cseanny on Sept 26, 2020 15:59:53 GMT -5
In about a weeks time or so I won't have anytime to play so until then I've been putting in some good practice. I think it paid off pretty well because my scores are equivalent to that of 2019. Putt distance control isn't so bad once you figure out around 20-25 Avatar positions (%'s, not distances), plus it saves time by eliminating the need for practice strokes.
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Post by theduke21 on Sept 26, 2020 16:54:32 GMT -5
In about a weeks time or so I won't have anytime to play so until then I've been putting in some good practice. I think it paid off pretty well because my scores are equivalent to that of 2019. Putt distance control isn't so bad once you figure out around 20-25 Avatar positions (%'s, not distances), plus it saves time by eliminating the need for practice strokes. Are you not playing your Q School rounds?
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Post by SloanerTW on Sept 26, 2020 18:15:05 GMT -5
In about a weeks time or so I won't have anytime to play so until then I've been putting in some good practice. I think it paid off pretty well because my scores are equivalent to that of 2019. Putt distance control isn't so bad once you figure out around 20-25 Avatar positions (%'s, not distances), plus it saves time by eliminating the need for practice strokes. Are you not playing your Q School rounds? He started last Saturday but he’s only on the second hole trying to figure out how much true shot adjustment on what club to hit the perfect fast to get a quality shot. Not to mention the correct backswing percent.
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Post by quanna45 on Sept 26, 2020 18:26:39 GMT -5
The putting in the new game makes it at least 4 strokes tougher per round. not really
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Post by CuseHokie on Sept 26, 2020 20:01:43 GMT -5
Whisky Dunes would have been a -60 to -70 course in those conditions on the PGA last season.
in Q School only a handful have broken -50.
Appreciate that to those struggling to break par shooting that well seems impossible but I don't think anyone can seriously claim 2K21 is easier than 2019. All the evidence so far suggests it just isn't. Agree. No one can say the putting is easier in the newest installment. And that’s the difference between a guy shooting -12 a round and a guy shooting -6 a round. Seems quite easy to push or pull a putt - and getting pace is far quirkier.
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