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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 7:27:24 GMT -5
I hear people complaining that Evangelist is not a good q school course because some "good" players are not performing well on it. I don't mind it, I haven't played well, but that is not the course's fault. Everyone has to play it, the good, the bad, and in my case, the downright ugly. The glitches are there for everyone, if you get one, it is just bad luck or a poor shot. With the ball rolling of the green, which happened to me on the drivable par 4, it is a poor shot. A good shot would be to lay up and go for a birdie. OMG, this guy gets it! I could give you a virtual fist bump for that! I've read several different places where people have said "I hit a good shot and it rolled into the water" or "I hit a good shot and it bounced OB". A real PGA Tour pro would tell those people, "if it was a good shot, that wouldn't have happened." |
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Post by cobrati on Sept 29, 2020 7:41:02 GMT -5
Was -8 after the first week. Solid but not spectacular rounds.
More of the same in the first round this week. Some good and some bad holes but kept mostly steady and got through with a -1.
Second round was my blow up though. I put my main controller on to charge and used another controller (which is actually newer) and promptly bogeyed the first 3 holes and then I think 4 putted for a double bogey on that long par 3. This controller occasionally has issues with stuttering which is why I only use it when I have to charge the other. Took a little break so I could let the main controller charge and switch but my mind was already done. Finished round 2 at +4.
Rounds 3 and 4 were very up and down, resulting in a -2 and a +2. Round 4 could have been pretty good but after not having any slow swings the whole tournament I had two that showed up at exactly the wrong times. First was on the hole with the stands (and ob) directly beside the green right. Second was on 18 when I had a hanging lie, hitting into a left to right wind, with a partial 3 wood. That may have been the very first 3 wood that ever registered slow for me.
So -5 after all is said and done. Guess I'll end up about where I was in 2019 and get to enjoy the grind of trying to move on up!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 7:59:15 GMT -5
I’m in a bit of a strange place with the game at present... much like AFCTUJacko and GW_Hope More like GW_Hope in the fact that, for now at least, I’m just gonna crack open the beers blast on. TST will be my main focus this year. The putting... Jesus Christ, the putting is driving me insane, and the tactic I’ve had to employ (with reasonable success) is just alien to me. I decided to move to this technique after last weeks Q, where I didn’t score too badly, but left SO many there after being tee to green in great shape generally. So now I just take a look and bang it. My round times have come down since last year due to this. Even with some practice swipes on my full shots (which I now take less of purely because I can’t be arsed). Anyhow: Week 1 -36, week 2 -19 (a lot of water and 4 shots in the bin on the back 9 of R4 alone) for -55 total and Platinum mediocrity for sure. If anyone wants to see how a Plat journeyman with limited commitment, practice and sobriety puts a half decent round together, voila! Someone using my ghost to play alongside in a round? I've finally hit the big time. |
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Post by mayday_golf83 on Sept 29, 2020 8:01:01 GMT -5
I think this course was actually a great pick from the standpoint of separating skill levels of players, not only pulling the analog stick (or mouse) back and pushing it forward, but the mental aspect of the game as well. Exactly this. Are there some very draconian areas on the course where a poor shot/decision is over-penalized in the opinion of some? Absolutely. I'm not going to debate that because, facts are, they're there, they aren't changing this week and we all have to play the same course. But the key words in the opening sentence of this paragraph aren't "over-penalized." They are "poor shot/decision." I too fell "victim" to HB's stupid water drop physics (6+ friggen years and they STILL haven't fixed this) as I took a double R2 hole 6 & and quad R3 hole 14, but let's examine further shall we. In round 2 I had driven the ball left into the path/bunker, had a smidge inside 200 in, decided to go for it, but the ball squirted right on me into the drink. The ball didn't react as I expected, but I also brought that miss into play by trying to salvage a GIR. No reason I couldn't/shouldn't have just found my way back to the fairway, pitched on and tried to make a 4 (or worst-case scenario 5) that way. In round 3, I got tempted to take driver and carry the cross bunkers, knowing it would leave me a very short club to a tough target IF I executed the shot. I didn't. I fasted it into the water. I compounded the mistake by re-teeing and fasting it into the water again. Finally, hitting 5, I went back to the hybrid and just tried to get one in play -- which is what I should have done in the first place. Bottom line: Bad water drop physics didn't cost me 6 strokes. Poor decisions, coupled with poor execution, cost me 6 strokes. So far this week I've watched respawntv & killahbeaz132 play their rounds and was on stream w/ VctryLnSprts when he played his. It was refreshing watching them treat a course with respect and not green-lighting every shot. Also, though all three of them were under par for the week, they all had rough patches they had to fight through. Therein lies to key to ultimately succeeding or failing here -- how you respond to a bogey/double/other, as odds are, you're going to encounter a few during the course of the week. Respawn has a GREAT course prep video for the week that can be seen here. I commend him because, without consulting either of the designers to my knowledge, he went out and played the course EXACTLY as I would recommend. Not surprisingly, because of that and his skills as a player, he was bogey free for the week until deep into the fourth round. TLDR: Do your homework, have an gameplan, execute the gameplan, control the controllables and be resillient when things don't go to plan -- that's how you beat Evangelist. |
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Post by thi0711 on Sept 29, 2020 8:05:32 GMT -5
As much as I like Evangelist (yes, I said like), I'm not sure it is a good Q-school course. It is so prone to blow out rounds that many players will be out of their natural position based on their usual performance. For example, 5 bad holes resulted in an awful R2 that dropped me 3-4 divisions. I'm looking forward to all the Q-school sandbagging allegations once the season proper starts! I think there are some valid thoughts here and I can certainly empathize with players who had their tournaments turned upside down by glitches in the game, so perhaps a course that did not feature water on nearly 18 holes would've been a better choice. However, I wanted to offer a counterpoint to consider as well, which is where I think I fall in the argument (recognizing that as the co-designer I certainly have some bias). I approached this second event much like a US Open, not only from the difficulty of play, but also mentally (and I was incredibly nervous). I had to tell myself that there were going to be lots of bogeys out there, either from bad lies, bad breaks, or stupid choices I might make, but that the players who conquered those things would be the players moving up the leaderboard while the others spiraled downward. I would not consider myself a very good player (I only shot -10 during Whiskey Dunes week), but I was able to finish Evangelist week at -8 (and actually would've been -11 aside from my bogey, bogey, bogey finish on the final three holes, DOH). I didn't hit the OB a single time, and I only found the water once during the whole event, on the second shot of the 70th hole, due to the first slow tempo I had gotten all day. Part of playing Evangelist is strategy and choosing your spots, and more importantly, understanding where to miss. That is exactly how the real PGA Tour players will play the US Open (well, normally, let's just leave Bryson out of this). So while I think your concerns are valid and your point about golfers potentially being on the wrong tour has merit, if we remove the anecdotal examples of where the game absolutely screwed people, I think this course was actually a great pick from the standpoint of separating skill levels of players, not only pulling the analog stick (or mouse) back and pushing it forward, but the mental aspect of the game as well. Shout out to Art's point above as well, because he brings up that in 2K21 the "top" players might just be a different mix of people because it's a new game mechanic. We've seen that with every iteration of the game actually, so this is very similar. That's not to say some people won't be on the "wrong" tour based on what their potential could be, but I suspect those people will move up rapidly through promo marks or the promotion events and it will settle in. I’m prefacing by saying this isn’t argumentative just my 2 cents that aren’t worth anything. But, If you want to compare this to a US Open in real life just look at a real life course like Oakmont or Winged Foot from this year. Those are challenging US Open quality courses. However, there is nothing gimmicky about them. The course is right in front of you. Fast greens, high rough etc. is what drives the high scores. No one ever says Oakmont isn’t fair. Evangelist is difficult mostly because of gimmicks. Maybe not design issues but rather actual 2K glitches. But still gimmicks none the less and IMO shouldn’t have been a Q-School event used for placing players. I saw a ball hit the green on 14 with a low iron roll off the side off the green and out of bounds. Many other players are complaining about drop areas. I’ll also sprinkle in a par 3 that you had to use driver in a round or two and a par 5 that required a 45 degree hook to keep it dry if using a driver. Sure you can pull out the 3 wood and leave yourself another 3 wood and 5 iron to the green. I haven’t even mentioned the bunkers thrown in the middle of the fairway in many of the landing zones. I give you credit for the design, it’s aesthetically well done. I just don’t think comparing to a US Open is right. I also think there would be a lot less complaints if some of the bugs in the game were fixed. I bet if this course showed up mid season after people were more familiar with the game it wouldn’t receive as much backlash as it has. But this is week 2 of TGCT and an event all eyes are on it. I think a more straightforward (not necessarily easier) course should have been selected. |
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 29, 2020 8:06:25 GMT -5
I’m in a bit of a strange place with the game at present... much like AFCTUJacko and GW_Hope More like GW_Hope in the fact that, for now at least, I’m just gonna crack open the beers blast on. TST will be my main focus this year. The putting... Jesus Christ, the putting is driving me insane, and the tactic I’ve had to employ (with reasonable success) is just alien to me. I decided to move to this technique after last weeks Q, where I didn’t score too badly, but left SO many there after being tee to green in great shape generally. So now I just take a look and bang it. My round times have come down since last year due to this. Even with some practice swipes on my full shots (which I now take less of purely because I can’t be arsed). Anyhow: Week 1 -36, week 2 -19 (a lot of water and 4 shots in the bin on the back 9 of R4 alone) for -55 total and Platinum mediocrity for sure. If anyone wants to see how a Plat journeyman with limited commitment, practice and sobriety puts a half decent round together, voila! Someone using my ghost to play alongside in a round? I've finally hit the big time. I wanted to see what NOT to do... turned out ok. |
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Post by blazluke on Sept 29, 2020 8:21:14 GMT -5
Any idea what score it will take to earn a Tour Card?
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Post by Dabrian on Sept 29, 2020 8:35:32 GMT -5
Any idea what score it will take to earn a Tour Card? 2200 cards awarded I think? Maybe somewhere around 80-90 over. I could be completely wrong. |
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Post by MGiani719 on Sept 29, 2020 8:39:02 GMT -5
Where is the cut line for L? Don't see it.
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Post by superace33 on Sept 29, 2020 8:43:29 GMT -5
+3 after Whiskey, then shot -8 here with under par rounds each day. I loved the grind here at Evangelist. Great shots were rewarded and okay/bad shots had you fighting for par.
Also, maybe this was intended, but the course felt like TPC Sawgrass on roids and even more beautiful. Yes the runoffs were very penal but everyone knew they were there and IMO this was a fantastic course that should be celebrated for being tough and visually stunning.
Really great courses selected for this years qualifying! I'm looking forward to the new season as I somewhat skipped out last year, but I should have a bit more time to hack it around this year!
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Post by Dabrian on Sept 29, 2020 8:45:03 GMT -5
I glanced and didn't see it either. Just be sure and finish your rounds no matter your score. There will undoubtedly be some players that don't finish their last four rounds.
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Post by jwtexan on Sept 29, 2020 8:45:40 GMT -5
Any idea what score it will take to earn a Tour Card? 2200 cards awarded I think? Maybe somewhere around 80-90 over. I could be completely wrong. Current cut line for a tour card is +35 total over 6 rounds |
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Post by ABU_Bear on Sept 29, 2020 8:46:31 GMT -5
What's the over/under for DNF's because newbies thought the Q-School was only 4 rounds?
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Post by bosic84 on Sept 29, 2020 9:00:43 GMT -5
 Disappointing end to a slog of a Q-School. What can I put it down to? Take your pick... - Pressure
- The course
- Shite at the game
- All of the above
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Post by bogeyman on Sept 29, 2020 9:01:07 GMT -5
I'm the guy who played Evangelist shortly after it was published and posted "that it was a privilege to play on" and I meant it.
I went on to say that "I hope it appears early in the new game" and it did. Friggen' Q school. Geez!
Practicing the course for Qualifying, it immediately seemed to me to be a different animal to the course I had enjoyed so much in TGC 2019. One of the co-designers is on record saying that it's not vastly different at all so I have to put it down to all the tournament paraphernalia, crowds etc. It definitely had a different atmosphere, more competitive somehow. Then there's the fact that many of us mere mortals have nowhere near the same control over the ball as we had in the previous game. All of a sudden the abundant water everywhere became very sinister.
My home society, The Dead Parrots (don't ask me) ran a four round "qualifier" using the different tees and conditions published in the weather forecast. Personally I carded +15 in total and thought at the time that it was certainly possible to shave strokes off that with a bit more practice. At the same time I constantly reminded my dead parrot colleagues to play this one with caution and avoid unnecessary risks.
At the end of the day I finished the real tournament at even par. E, -2, -2 and +4 in the wind. This somehow felt kinda right to me. I didn't beat the course and the course didn't beat me. We still had respect for one another.
I just wanted to share this perspective in this thread - 'cos I'm sick and tired of reading thru all the b%&in' and moaning against guys who put in blood, sweat and tears to make these great courses we all take for granted.
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