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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 21:19:16 GMT -5
watched the tour guys today - none of them hit irons that released anywhere close to what firm/fast settings do in this game.
And they won't EVER have it happen all year.
It's good to combat scores here but that's all it really does... it's not realistic otherwise.
Of course neither is shooting in the 50's every day lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 22:12:58 GMT -5
It may not be realistic to a PGA tour pro, but I certainly cannot stop my 3 iron on a dime, however neither do they, so either way, it's not realistic. They are bombing their drives 330 to mid iron approaches, mid irons stop as well here with firm and fast.
That be the problem, people are sick of the 50's, both those making them and seeing them. Making birdie in these conditions is far far far more fun. Needing birdie on every hole to keep with the field is no fun whatsoever. I would have no problem with these conditions each and every week for the PGA tour. Obviously I'm not alone as the field filled quickly as well, so the demand is clearly there.
I think we still need tweak the courses a bit more though, with firm and fast the massive 7500 yards is not at all needed.
Medium firmness is dead, stick a fork in it.......
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Post by Doyley on Mar 22, 2015 22:15:08 GMT -5
watched the tour guys today - none of them hit irons that released anywhere close to what firm/fast settings do in this game. And they won't EVER have it happen all year. It's good to combat scores here but that's all it really does... it's not realistic otherwise. Of course neither is shooting in the 50's every day lol Yea, it's a fine balance of trying to keep it realistic. Depends on what we're talking about there though since keeping the courses/settings realistic usually swings the scores into super low non-realistic areas. But on the other hand, forcing realistic scores usually results in courses that aren't playing realistic. Hopefully at some point we'll have the ability to fire off events that produce realistic courses/conditions and realistic scores at the same time!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 22:43:17 GMT -5
Those greens were rather slow today, I got a chane to watch the finish, they were swinging that putter fairly stern even going downhill, of course they would check up on that.
That was not firm or fast on the greens.
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Post by GoldEaglex12 on Mar 23, 2015 2:41:40 GMT -5
watched the tour guys today - none of them hit irons that released anywhere close to what firm/fast settings do in this game. And they won't EVER have it happen all year. It's good to combat scores here but that's all it really does... it's not realistic otherwise. Of course neither is shooting in the 50's every day lol Yea, it's a fine balance of trying to keep it realistic. Depends on what we're talking about there though since keeping the courses/settings realistic usually swings the scores into super low non-realistic areas. But on the other hand, forcing realistic scores usually results in courses that aren't playing realistic. Hopefully at some point we'll have the ability to fire off events that produce realistic courses/conditions and realistic scores at the same time! Am I the only one who feels that the speed/firmness of a course might not be the answer to getting more realistic tourney scores? I honestly think that the truth of the matter is that the swing mechanic is just too easy and too forgiving. I mean, you have to do something really bizarre with the analog stick in order to hit a bad shot in this game. Even if you are marginally off centre, you'll still end up with a reasonably good shot more often than not. Personally, I feel like the solution may lie in making a less forgiving swing mechanic (ie. less room for error). Instead of making every course we play on lightning quick, maybe HB can look into making the swing mechanic more challenging. Am I the only one who has this thought?
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 23, 2015 3:38:38 GMT -5
Yea, it's a fine balance of trying to keep it realistic. Depends on what we're talking about there though since keeping the courses/settings realistic usually swings the scores into super low non-realistic areas. But on the other hand, forcing realistic scores usually results in courses that aren't playing realistic. Hopefully at some point we'll have the ability to fire off events that produce realistic courses/conditions and realistic scores at the same time! Am I the only one who feels that the speed/firmness of a course might not be the answer to getting more realistic tourney scores? I honestly think that the truth of the matter is that the swing mechanic is just too easy and too forgiving. I mean, you have to do something really bizarre with the analog stick in order to hit a bad shot in this game. Even if you are marginally off centre, you'll still end up with a reasonably good shot more often than not. Personally, I feel like the solution may lie in making a less forgiving swing mechanic (ie. less room for error). Instead of making every course we play on lightning quick, maybe HB can look into making the swing mechanic more challenging. Am I the only one who has this thought? In short, no you are not
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Post by mcbogga on Mar 23, 2015 4:17:36 GMT -5
watched the tour guys today - none of them hit irons that released anywhere close to what firm/fast settings do in this game. And they won't EVER have it happen all year. It's good to combat scores here but that's all it really does... it's not realistic otherwise. Of course neither is shooting in the 50's every day lol Yea, it's a fine balance of trying to keep it realistic. Depends on what we're talking about there though since keeping the courses/settings realistic usually swings the scores into super low non-realistic areas. But on the other hand, forcing realistic scores usually results in courses that aren't playing realistic. Hopefully at some point we'll have the ability to fire off events that produce realistic courses/conditions and realistic scores at the same time! Starting to chip away at the training wheels would help as well. But actually normal distance from cup on approaches is not that far off real life pga level. Driving is a bit too easy perhaps, but the putting is just ridiculous. Make real life pga pros half as good as the world top 100 on here and we would see -50 on the real tour as well. Certainly on resort courses with easy pins... They make about half of their 8 footers - for us that is a tap in..... Not a huge fan of firm/fast unless it's a links style layout - but firm med-slow may be underrated as that also mean targets can be made smaller and greens more undulated. Game needs more firmness settings for sure as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 7:07:50 GMT -5
If someone wants a video game to play as difficult as real golf they're in for a wait. Moving a thumb stick a few inches while sitting in your most comfortable chair is never going to simulate all that has to happen right for a golf ball to go where it's intended in real life All this is doing it altering scores for the sake of altering scores it's not making the game play "better" just raising the scores a few shots due to it becoming a flop fest. The irony is the thing it does reward often? the 92% shot. Those normally kill ya but with settings like this that may be perfect I think Bison was going to hold it's own actually because it's genius from a layout and design standpoint. What will happen is the best players will still win and the only thing that will have been changed is the score they shot to do it. I'm a good player irl and play a top 50 in difficulty in the US course on a daily basis... but it's not on that list due to super bouncy ball physics like the firm settings it's on there due to the design of the holes. I think Bison was going to pull it off as much as anything can without be tricked up. I just don't think comparing this to real anything makes much sense and chasing real world results seems pointless. Obviously a lot of you are enjoying it so that is ultimately what matters it's supposed to be fun. We all just have different ideas of fun and those of us never even close to winning didn't need to watch our 8 iron roll 60 feet after hitting it on the green to have more fun Just a counter viewpoint carry on with the flops to 6" every shot which btw is what would alter scores at least as much as firm settings in my opinion. The flop is a guaranteed par saver when a mistake is made. When they change that they will change the game some. The tough thing is chipping is so poorly done I'm not sure it will be for the better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 7:14:45 GMT -5
It may not be realistic to a PGA tour pro, but I certainly cannot stop my 3 iron on a dime, however neither do they, so either way, it's not realistic. They are bombing their drives 330 to mid iron approaches, mid irons stop as well here with firm and fast.
That be the problem, people are sick of the 50's, both those making them and seeing them. Making birdie in these conditions is far far far more fun. Needing birdie on every hole to keep with the field is no fun whatsoever. I would have no problem with these conditions each and every week for the PGA tour. Obviously I'm not alone as the field filled quickly as well, so the demand is clearly there.
I think we still need tweak the courses a bit more though, with firm and fast the massive 7500 yards is not at all needed.
Medium firmness is dead, stick a fork in it.......
It might be to the elite players in this community but they are a small portion of the overall customer base. The thing that's needed is elementary and that is for people to be able to choose what conditions they play in. What tee what pins what weather what course conditions should ALL be something we can choose. It was like that in the greatest golf video game ever made Pga Championship Golf and it's silly that a million years later it's not a minimum part of the game. and medium firm isn't dead to normal players. I think what happened with Bison is the future... make both options. Until HB decides to modernize a bit and make it selectable.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Mar 23, 2015 8:03:05 GMT -5
I've only played two rounds but I loved the set up this week. I had a lot more fun trying to plan out my approach shots and then pull off that plan rather than just firing darts at the pin. I thought the pin placements were pretty good for the setup. Shout out to Reebdoog for doing a great job on the course/setup.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 8:17:35 GMT -5
Very early in the proceedings, but I'm currently sitting in the top 10 and have to say that in-spite of my high position at the moment, I am NOT a fan of these conditions. The game just feels too luck based when everything is this firm. Me being on top of the PS4 leaderboard should be proof enough of that. I had 2 really lucky rounds with no bogies and a ton of putts dropped that I had no business making. I usually just sneak inside the cut line each week.
Greens this firm are just no fun. I've heard people say that you can loft your clubs up and they'll hold better? Is that really true? I thought the loft doesn't have any effect on roll out?
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 23, 2015 8:21:26 GMT -5
On here I find a 3 iron on green.will run 20-35 yards in no wind.and.on flat ground
Of you fully loft that club I find it will go more like 10-20 yards roll out
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 23, 2015 8:22:39 GMT -5
It definitely has an effect on roll out because your momentum when hitting the ground is less as you are coming into the ground at a higher angle. Therefore less trajectory in the bounce, lead speed and momentum and less distancw
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 8:41:15 GMT -5
It may not be realistic to a PGA tour pro, but I certainly cannot stop my 3 iron on a dime, however neither do they, so either way, it's not realistic. They are bombing their drives 330 to mid iron approaches, mid irons stop as well here with firm and fast.
That be the problem, people are sick of the 50's, both those making them and seeing them. Making birdie in these conditions is far far far more fun. Needing birdie on every hole to keep with the field is no fun whatsoever. I would have no problem with these conditions each and every week for the PGA tour. Obviously I'm not alone as the field filled quickly as well, so the demand is clearly there.
I think we still need tweak the courses a bit more though, with firm and fast the massive 7500 yards is not at all needed.
Medium firmness is dead, stick a fork in it.......
It might be to the elite players in this community but they are a small portion of the overall customer base. The thing that's needed is elementary and that is for people to be able to choose what conditions they play in. What tee what pins what weather what course conditions should ALL be something we can choose. It was like that in the greatest golf video game ever made Pga Championship Golf and it's silly that a million years later it's not a minimum part of the game. and medium firm isn't dead to normal players. I think what happened with Bison is the future... make both options. Until HB decides to modernize a bit and make it selectable. You are right, I should of clarified that I think it's dead for the PGA tour. Even in these harsher conditions the winning score I predict will still be -40, however the cut will likely be single digits. But with that said it allows more players into the mix, those players playing course management can do well on this course and stay within less strokes of the elite players.
I'm only 3 rounds in, however so far, for me I'm having the most fun since Q-School, since it's still possible to shoot low, but it's far harder to shoot low.
As far as lucky bounces go, well to quote Gary Player, "the more I practice the luckier I get"
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Post by justamush on Mar 23, 2015 9:24:55 GMT -5
I only shot -7 through two rounds, but this is by far the most fun I've had playing a tourney in a while. Knowing that a par doesn't kill you is refreshing. Par is supposed to be a good score, but these last few weeks it's been as bad as a bogey.
I also didn't find the firmness really out of whack either. You could still get a short iron to stop on the green near the hole if you planned the shot out properly.
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