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Post by theclv24 on Mar 21, 2015 17:22:06 GMT -5
course was designed for fast greens but medium firmness. The change was made specifically for this tournament. Sorry for those not enjoying it. TGC felt it was time to give it a try. :-) Go play the original version and you'll have a good time. I promise. I think we all knew the complaining was going to come, so there isn't much you can do about it. I don't direct this at anyone in particular, but I think some people want a chance to win, but they don't want to fight through adversity and compete to get there. It's just kind of one of those facts of life. Some people enjoy the thrill of shooting in the low 50's and anything more difficult is just not fun. Others love the grit and grind and can't stand an eagle fest. With that said, you know, I know, and most other people know that this is an outstanding course.
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 21, 2015 17:26:26 GMT -5
course was designed for fast greens but medium firmness. The change was made specifically for this tournament. Sorry for those not enjoying it. TGC felt it was time to give it a try. :-) Go play the original version and you'll have a good time. I promise. I did play the first version and I think I scored -16 on it. It was enjoyable but I really do see the reason they wanted to make it hard firmness. The best I was able to do was -5 on the new course, same tees and such so a 10 stroke swing with that one setting. I'm not blaming you, I'm blaming HB for not making another setting between Hard and Medium OR not being able to set individual holes at different green firmness. Sadly it is an all or nothing with no compromise. As you said you set up the course for the medium firmness. Had you decided originally to go with hard firmness I would have bet you would have designed some of the holes much differently. So in the end it isn't your fault. You were asked to change up your course for settings it wasn't originally intended for and you didn't really have the time to go back and make changes.
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Post by GoldEaglex12 on Mar 21, 2015 18:11:22 GMT -5
course was designed for fast greens but medium firmness. The change was made specifically for this tournament. Sorry for those not enjoying it. TGC felt it was time to give it a try. :-) Go play the original version and you'll have a good time. I promise. Reeb, I've played the original numerous times casually and its fun to go around and shoot some stupidly low scores. Great course! Having said that, I'm much more in favor of making courses tougher for tournaments like what was done for this one. IMO people should really not be shooting double-digits under par at all unless they have an extraordinary round. I prefer more realistic scores, but that's just me!
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Post by Doyley on Mar 21, 2015 18:17:16 GMT -5
Glad I skip this one. No fun Before anybody says I can't play this. I played the first 2 rounds for $#@#s & giggles. Shot 8 under 1st round & 5 under 2nd round. My 13 under after 2 would be currently 1st on the ps4 side. Also I played in 10 mph winds & I rush through my 2 rounds. It's easy for me to play for par & take my birdies when they come but it's no fun. Plus this wasn't a good course for firm conditions. Too many raised greens. Eliminating the option of landing short of green & running it up. Landing a middle iron on front of green & watching it roll off back sucks. Even worse watching wedges roll out instead of biting. If though you hear me b%&ing about these conditions, personally I think my chances of doing well is increased playing this type of tournament. This is a video game, I want to enjoy myself not cursing at my TV screen. I'm with you on this one. I like challenges but this course seemed to have too many holes on the 'unfair' side. There are ways to make a course very challenging like Magnolia without the need for having to use the fairway as the only way to make the ball 'bite" and have a chance staying on the green. Still some folks love this type of stuff and more power to them. And just to play devils advocate - I'm on the other side of the fence. I enjoyed this much more than the shootouts we've had the last couple of weeks. It felt like a birdie was a shot on the field and a par was plenty good. Even bogies were ok since you know others will likely have a few in their rounds too (ok, maybe not 10's taste!!). But I'm more than hoping that HB gives us more options on the dial so that we can find a happy medium between this and the normal firmness. I think there's a few steps inbetween that would be a perfect blend of what we're after for some weeks.
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Post by theclv24 on Mar 21, 2015 18:18:10 GMT -5
Just shot a 65 (-7) in round 1, with one bogey and one eagle included, in my first time playing with the firm settings. For those who say that firm settings can't be used for this design, I heartily disagree.
Every green has an open way in to land on or near the front of the green, and the ball can be kept on the front half of the green. If you want birdies, you better be ready to make a few 20+ foot putts. Do PGA pros feel entitled to have 15 foot or less birdie putts on every hole? On many Tour holes, 20-30 feet away with a GIR is a great play. Guess what? It is here, too. Fantastic decision to make this change for this week, and hopefully going forward.
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Post by GoldEaglex12 on Mar 21, 2015 18:25:03 GMT -5
Just shot a 65 (-7) in round 1, with one bogey and one eagle included, in my first time playing with the firm settings. For those who say that firm settings can't be used for this design, I heartily disagree. Every green has an open way in to land on or near the front of the green, and the ball can be kept on the front half of the green. If you want birdies, you better be ready to make a few 20+ foot putts. Do PGA pros feel entitled to have 15 foot or less birdie putts on every hole? On many Tour holes, 20-30 feet away with a GIR is a great play. Guess what? It is here, too. Fantastic decision to make this change for this week, and hopefully going forward. I completely agree. You shouldn't be able to just stick the ball 10 feet or less from the cup on every hole, unless you hit an exceptional shot. Up until this week, that's all the tournaments have been. Drive in the fairway, hit approach shot 10 feet away, make birdie putt. Birdies should have to be earned, not expected. I hate it when I read threads and people talk about pars being a bad score. Par should be the standard, and any birdies and eagles should be the result of great shots, not what's expected.
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Post by Breezee80 on Mar 21, 2015 18:26:02 GMT -5
course was designed for fast greens but medium firmness. The change was made specifically for this tournament. Sorry for those not enjoying it. TGC felt it was time to give it a try. :-) Go play the original version and you'll have a good time. I promise. I'm glad you said this. I was thinking the same thing. I would assume that the greens on some holes would be designed differently with these conditions. No need to apologize, the course is great, and was a challenge to play as it was originally designed.
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Post by Breezee80 on Mar 21, 2015 18:28:03 GMT -5
I'm with you on this one. I like challenges but this course seemed to have too many holes on the 'unfair' side. There are ways to make a course very challenging like Magnolia without the need for having to use the fairway as the only way to make the ball 'bite" and have a chance staying on the green. Still some folks love this type of stuff and more power to them. And just to play devils advocate - I'm on the other side of the fence. I enjoyed this much more than the shootouts we've had the last couple of weeks. It felt like a birdie was a shot on the field and a par was plenty good. Even bogies were ok since you know others will likely have a few in their rounds too (ok, maybe not 10's taste!!). But I'm more than hoping that HB gives us more options on the dial so that we can find a happy medium between this and the normal firmness. I think there's a few steps inbetween that would be a perfect blend of what we're after for some weeks. I agree with this completely! There needs to be a happy medium.
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Post by bentfivewood on Mar 21, 2015 19:49:44 GMT -5
Would be nice if speed could be adjusted according to stimpmeter measurements.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 20:12:09 GMT -5
There are more than 3 firmness settings, go create a dead flat 300 yard green in the designer if you don't believe me and play and record the results of the shots and the rollouts and see for yourself. Also there are more than 3 speed settings as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 21:13:36 GMT -5
There are more than 3 firmness settings, go create a dead flat 300 yard green in the designer if you don't believe me and play and record the results of the shots and the rollouts and see for yourself. Also there are more than 3 speed settings as well. hb confirmed 3 settings on firm despite what the slider value says
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 21:34:29 GMT -5
There are more than 3 firmness settings, go create a dead flat 300 yard green in the designer if you don't believe me and play and record the results of the shots and the rollouts and see for yourself. Also there are more than 3 speed settings as well. hb confirmed 3 settings on firm despite what the slider value says Then I guess that's settled then.
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Post by reebdoog on Mar 21, 2015 22:53:29 GMT -5
I don't buy it though. I can tell a difference when I'm changing firmness settings...maybe i'm insane though.
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Post by MrSourNinja on Mar 22, 2015 0:40:25 GMT -5
63, 68, 64, 66 (-27). Absolutely furious as I couldn't make a darn putt in rounds 2 and 4. Also had a double and two bogeys in round 2. Not at all acceptable shooting after my average in practice rounds being -11ish.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 22, 2015 3:53:09 GMT -5
There are more than 3 firmness settings, go create a dead flat 300 yard green in the designer if you don't believe me and play and record the results of the shots and the rollouts and see for yourself. Also there are more than 3 speed settings as well. hb confirmed 3 settings on firm despite what the slider value says must be having a placebo effect on your brain Steve!
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