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Post by Brighttail on Mar 21, 2015 11:31:44 GMT -5
I have to say it is refreshing to see folks talk about -6 and -8 as being a great round here
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Post by SloanerTW on Mar 21, 2015 13:18:05 GMT -5
Welcome to the new standard boys! I really hope this course isn't the standard. Nothing wrong with firm/fast if the course is built for it. I mean you hit a drive in the fairway and the you have nowhere to go with your second shot on 1/3 of the holes. You cant go for the middle of the green without bouncing through the rough or fairway and that is just luck. If you are going to do firm / fast the greens need at least 5 yards of space from the edge to land so the ball can finish near in the middle of the green on pretty much every wind. It has to be possible for someone to get 100% GIR on any course that is played and on this one your lucky to have 66%, I thin this tournament would have been fine with just multiple pin placements.
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Post by Tim on Mar 21, 2015 13:21:04 GMT -5
Not every course will be this firm. But personally I would rather tackle this challenge every week then see who can break 50 on a pitch and putt.
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Post by Tim on Mar 21, 2015 13:22:05 GMT -5
Once we get some things from HB that will allow us to turn off the wind speeds and scout camera that will help as well on the pro tours.
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Post by reebdoog on Mar 21, 2015 13:32:31 GMT -5
I would hope that Bison run gets an tourney in normal conditions as well at some point. I think that taking the new pins and dialing things back a little would still be a lot of fun.
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 21, 2015 13:47:32 GMT -5
I'm hoping that HB will give us more options when it comes to greens. Currently having three sets of firmness doesn't seem to be enough. The difference between Fast/Normal and Fast/Hard is night n day. Fast/Normal like Magnolia, you can get some spin on wedges and a little bite on your higher lofted clubs. Fast/Hard using a flop or LW you get little to no bite. This can be compensated for but as you go down in loft, it becomes impossible to hold shots on to the greens. While this is okay for some holes, having it for the whole 18 over 4 separate rounds, while it increases the difficulty drastically, it really can make the whole experience seem to be unfair.
As stated earlier, there are many holes that even aiming for the center of the green is near impossible. Considering the amount of angst we went through about chipping on the greens because people were so good at chipping, this type of course will definitely favour those people. Give me a 5-7 yard chip from the edge of the green (regardless of break) over a putt any day. I would say I'm favoured to make it. That is what i'm seeing is people will actually aim for the rough just left / right of a pin knowing they would prefer that chip over a 40 foot putt. That to me doesn't seem realistic. Course these are my own thoughts. It is still refreshing to see a course eat up some folks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 14:38:51 GMT -5
yes, i was the one with the 78 lol
round 1: 65 -7 round 2: 66 -6 round 3: 66 -6 round 4: was right on track, maybe a little behind, until i got to the first par 5 on the back 9. somehow ended up off the left side of the green and the flag was tucked near the edge, my ball was 5 or 6 feet below the cup, a chip would not have worked here, so i tried flopping, ran up and bounced on the green rolled almost up to the cup......spun back down and stopped at my feet......ok let me try that again but just a little harder this time......same result....so with the default "pitch" it gives me i just swing like 10% and pump the ball like 5 feet.....then i did that again, then i pitched it to the front of the green, then proceeded to 3 putt, after that, i didnt care about the rest of the round as I just took a 10 on a par 5. round 4: 78 +6
overall -13.....was -19 thru 3.
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Post by Oblong on Mar 21, 2015 14:42:20 GMT -5
Love firm/fast. You CAN hold greens but you must be more agressive with lofting. It vrings the risk/reward of golf into play...do you risk a sliver sized cone to stick a green but may also hit a push/pull and miss completely or do you play it safe and aim for the middle of the green and hope to make a long putt?
Even so, variety is the spice of golf. At the end of the year the champion should be the player who handled all conditions the best overall. The Tour has run some easy conditions and now we are seeing some more difficult. Hopefully before the season is over HBS can allow TGCTours to force some stiffer winds for all so that part of the game can be tested also. I personally also think some limited aid tourneys should show up along the way also.
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Post by reebdoog on Mar 21, 2015 15:59:29 GMT -5
yes, i was the one with the 78 lol round 1: 65 -7 round 2: 66 -6 round 3: 66 -6 round 4: was right on track, maybe a little behind, until i got to the first par 5 on the back 9. somehow ended up off the left side of the green and the flag was tucked near the edge, my ball was 5 or 6 feet below the cup, a chip would not have worked here, so i tried flopping, ran up and bounced on the green rolled almost up to the cup......spun back down and stopped at my feet......ok let me try that again but just a little harder this time......same result....so with the default "pitch" it gives me i just swing like 10% and pump the ball like 5 feet.....then i did that again, then i pitched it to the front of the green, then proceeded to 3 putt, after that, i didnt care about the rest of the round as I just took a 10 on a par 5. round 4: 78 +6 overall -13.....was -19 thru 3. dude...that sucks! Sorry bub.
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Post by dlw1964 on Mar 21, 2015 16:34:42 GMT -5
Glad I skip this one. No fun Before anybody says I can't play this. I played the first 2 rounds for $#@#s & giggles. Shot 8 under 1st round & 5 under 2nd round. My 13 under after 2 would be currently 1st on the ps4 side. Also I played in 10 mph winds & I rush through my 2 rounds. It's easy for me to play for par & take my birdies when they come but it's no fun. Plus this wasn't a good course for firm conditions. Too many raised greens. Eliminating the option of landing short of green & running it up. Landing a middle iron on front of green & watching it roll off back sucks. Even worse watching wedges roll out instead of biting. Even though you hear me b%&ing about these conditions, personally I think my chances of doing well is increased playing this type of tournament. But this is a video game, I want to enjoy myself not cursing at my TV screen.
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 21, 2015 16:38:53 GMT -5
Glad I skip this one. No fun Before anybody says I can't play this. I played the first 2 rounds for $#@#s & giggles. Shot 8 under 1st round & 5 under 2nd round. My 13 under after 2 would be currently 1st on the ps4 side. Also I played in 10 mph winds & I rush through my 2 rounds. It's easy for me to play for par & take my birdies when they come but it's no fun. Plus this wasn't a good course for firm conditions. Too many raised greens. Eliminating the option of landing short of green & running it up. Landing a middle iron on front of green & watching it roll off back sucks. Even worse watching wedges roll out instead of biting. If though you hear me b%&ing about these conditions, personally I think my chances of doing well is increased playing this type of tournament. This is a video game, I want to enjoy myself not cursing at my TV screen. I'm with you on this one. I like challenges but this course seemed to have too many holes on the 'unfair' side. There are ways to make a course very challenging like Magnolia without the need for having to use the fairway as the only way to make the ball 'bite" and have a chance staying on the green. Still some folks love this type of stuff and more power to them.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Mar 21, 2015 16:47:57 GMT -5
Only could muster a -2 with an eagle chip in on the 18th hole for the 1st round. Luckily came back with a -8 for the 2nd round. Be prepared to be chipping on half the holes for bird.
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Post by reebdoog on Mar 21, 2015 16:52:22 GMT -5
course was designed for fast greens but medium firmness. The change was made specifically for this tournament. Sorry for those not enjoying it. TGC felt it was time to give it a try. :-) Go play the original version and you'll have a good time. I promise.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Mar 21, 2015 17:00:07 GMT -5
course was designed for fast greens but medium firmness. The change was made specifically for this tournament. Sorry for those not enjoying it. TGC felt it was time to give it a try. :-) Go play the original version and you'll have a good time. I promise. I'm ok with it. I'm glad scores will be coming down.
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Post by dlw1964 on Mar 21, 2015 17:18:31 GMT -5
course was designed for fast greens but medium firmness. The change was made specifically for this tournament. Sorry for those not enjoying it. TGC felt it was time to give it a try. :-) Go play the original version and you'll have a good time. I promise. It's not your fault, the original version is fine, I chose to skip this one originally because it took forever to load & I was scared of freezing up & causing a problem during tournament play. Plus course's that take forever to load brings more bad 90 % shots. So I switch to play euro tour this week. Lengua Del Diablo is one of my favorites. The problem is players are getting to bent out of shape with super low scores I'm not a fan of having to shot 70 under to win but I'm also not a fan of firm conditions. I'm a huge fan of 4 pins & fast putting greens but the firmness needs to stay at medium an occasional firm setting on the right course is okay. Sorry but your course wasn't the right one. IMO
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