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Post by transversealho on Jun 5, 2020 17:05:02 GMT -5
Q school. Not a school. Again, getting old
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Post by CoinHen77 on Jun 5, 2020 17:21:29 GMT -5
Is the pull you guys are talking about in the blue at the bottom but out of the top left at the top? How far out on the top? I hear some issues with a 7 to 2 swing or 5 to 11 but not having it slightly out at the top.
More info would be appreciate.
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Post by fsu831 on Jun 5, 2020 22:50:40 GMT -5
Cow results . I ended -29 with last two rounds -9 and -9 after -11 start.
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Post by flyingj75 on Jun 5, 2020 23:33:09 GMT -5
Is the pull you guys are talking about in the blue at the bottom but out of the top left at the top? How far out on the top? I hear some issues with a 7 to 2 swing or 5 to 11 but not having it slightly out at the top. More info would be appreciate. It's complicated, or really simple depending how you look at it. Threads about Fair Play in PGA. Keep it in the blue the best you can and you will never have to deal with the issue.
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Post by cseanny on Jun 6, 2020 1:32:27 GMT -5
Generic_Casual You're not taking away any spots from guys in Euro. Again, 100%, in no way are you taking away spots from guys in Euro. I've heard Doyley state in twitch regarding PGA fair play, that (paraphrasing) "in order to be in the top tour you should have acquired the skill to strike the ball in between the cone." Simply put, anyone unable to consistently keep it within the cone lacks the necessary skill to be playing in PGA, regardless of their 4 round score. I'm more in the 40/60 on the disagreement side of this reasoning and new policy, but that's the standards they've set. Doyley , since the PGA is the only tour required to meet this standard, and since you've already stated that PGA guys should be able to keep it in the cone, you definitely need to update the penalty for API fails. Why in the world do you even let guys keep failing?, up to the point of receiving 9 API FAILS and then perma-ban for the rest of the season. People who don't have the "skill" to keep inside the cone shouldn't continually be punished. You should implement a new rule where on the 3rd API fail they are auto-demoted to Euro, and from there can try and work their way back up.
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Post by CoinHen77 on Jun 6, 2020 8:41:07 GMT -5
Generic_Casual You're not taking away any spots from guys in Euro. Again, 100%, in no way are you taking away spots from guys in Euro. I've heard Doyley state in twitch regarding PGA fair play, that (paraphrasing) "in order to be in the top tour you should have acquired the skill to strike the ball in between the cone." Simply put, anyone unable to consistently keep it within the cone lacks the necessary skill to be playing in PGA, regardless of their 4 round score. I'm more in the 40/60 on the disagreement side of this reasoning and new policy, but that's the standards they've set. Doyley , since the PGA is the only tour required to meet this standard, and since you've already stated that PGA guys should be able to keep it in the cone, you definitely need to update the penalty for API fails. Why in the world do you even let guys keep failing?, up to the point of receiving 9 API FAILS and then perma-ban for the rest of the season. People who don't have the "skill" to keep inside the cone shouldn't continually be punished. You should implement a new rule where on the 3rd API fail they are auto-demoted to Euro, and from there can try and work their way back up. I think his point was if he has no intention of keeping it inside the cone and therefore can’t play on the PGA then his top 10s are taking a slot away from other guys who could get promoted and not fail API. Beyond that I don’t think there’s any issue with him playing in Euro. That said, why wouldn’t the API be monitoring Euro as well to make sure a player that won’t pass isn’t promoted or getting top 10s?
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Post by cseanny on Jun 6, 2020 9:46:47 GMT -5
The current PGA paradigm has placed the bar on skill to include all players hitting within the cone on the majority of their shots/no flicks, therefore, anyone who doesn't meet that requirement by their own reasoning is not PGA material. Bottom line, it's truly irrelevant whether the player has any intention to change their swing or not. They either possess the necessary skill to compete at PGA level, or they do not, again, according to the current model; I don't think all players failing API lack skill.
IF every other tour allows their players to continuously enter and play tournaments, although MANY of them would fail PGA API, then it's only fair that people who reach PGA status but fail there, should also be afforded the same opportunity to continue playing in a non PGA tour which best fits their skill. Anything contrary is despicably hypocritical. Now thinking about it, I agree for the most part. With my auto demotion suggestion, people who then make it back to PGA, and then once again failed API 3x would be auto demoted yet again, but this time they would not be allowed to promote to PGA until the next season, and in addition, they would no longer be awarded promotion points.
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Post by CoinHen77 on Jun 6, 2020 9:49:32 GMT -5
The current PGA paradigm has placed the bar on skill to include all players hitting within the cone on the majority of their shots/no flicks, therefore, anyone who doesn't meet that requirement by their own reasoning is not PGA material. Bottom line, it's truly irrelevant whether the player has any intention to change their swing or not. They either possess the necessary skill to compete at PGA level, or they do not, again, according to the current model; I don't think all players failing API lack skill.
IF every other tour allows their players to continuously enter and play tournaments, although MANY of them would fail PGA API, then it's only fair that people who reach PGA status but fail there, should also be afforded the same opportunity to continue playing in a non PGA tour which best fits their skill. Anything contrary is despicably hypocritical.
Your big words offend me!! Rabble rabble... Seems everyone in the pro tours should be held to the same standard. Someone that self admittedly has no intention of playing on the PGA because of swing issues shouldn’t be taking a promo spot from people who do. That in itself is hypocritical.
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Post by cseanny on Jun 6, 2020 9:55:32 GMT -5
CoinHen77 You responded before I finished editing my post. ^
edit: Your last post is funny and made me smile btw. I liked it a lot. `_^.
2nd edit: Btw, the "hypocritical" comment is in regards to everyone else (other Tours) failing PGA API are still allowed to play, therefore those failing PGA API should likewise, still be allowed to play somewhere else. Fair play would demand and dictate that everyone have the same opportunity to play somewhere. Pigeon holing the guys who promote to PGA but can't pass, and forcing them to stay there with the potential to get a ban for the rest of the PGA season makes literally, a big fat ZERO sense.
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Post by flyingj75 on Jun 6, 2020 12:01:18 GMT -5
Ok, before I was trying to be nice because Dax is a good guy. But, this is the real deal guys. It is an exploit. I don't care where it's policed and where it's not. It has nothing to do with "the skill". Dax has more skill than most in the PGA. He doesn't want to play within the rules up there and doesn't want to play in the Beginners tour. So here he is, using the exploit to probably win every tourney he plays in Euro...USING AN EXPLOIT. I have little tolerance for that.
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Post by cseanny on Jun 6, 2020 16:10:54 GMT -5
flyingj75 I agree that an exploit is and exploit is an exploit, albeit I'd argue where that line should be. Apply it to everyone, OR, if you only apply it to "one" tour, then everyone who's not playing in that "one" tour has EVERY RIGHT to play by the "common API" applied to everyone else. You can't have it both ways and say everyone under the "common API", EXCEPT these 6, 12, 20 guys (take your pick) will be allowed to continue playing in TGCTs. Bottom line, if Euro is under the same API restrictions as KF and all the other CCs, then they have the right to play in that tour, regardless if they're winning every tournament or not. It's easy enough to change the rule for Euro/KF if they'd like. Again, they need to be consistent either way, as it's the only way to truly have fair play for everyone.
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Post by CoinHen77 on Jun 6, 2020 16:21:13 GMT -5
flyingj75 I agree that an exploit is and exploit is an exploit, albeit I'd argue where that line should be. Apply it to everyone, OR, if you only apply it to "one" tour, then everyone who's not playing in that "one" tour has EVERY RIGHT to play by the "common API" applied to everyone else. You can't have it both ways and say everyone under the "common API", EXCEPT these 6, 12, 20 guys (take your pick) will be allowed to continue playing in TGCTs. Bottom line, if Euro is under the same API restrictions as KF and all the other CCs, then they have the right to play in that tour, regardless if they're winning every tournament or not. It's easy enough to change the rule for Euro/KF if they'd like. Again, they need to be consistent either way, as it's the only way to truly have fair play for everyone. I agree with you on this. We also have no idea how many people on Euro would fail API on PGA (me included, which is why I asked my original question), so makes no sense to get super upset. The only reason I take issue is because of the spot taken up for other people’s promos. For instance I was one stroke away from a promo to PGA last week and then this week I get a demo mark (possibly two). Not saying this is true, but if Daxon was one of the guys in the top 10 that prevented me from being in the 10 slot and getting my Promo, that’s not right. I’d propose some sort of hybrid where API is used to monitor and prevent promotion to PGA or placing in the top 10. No issue participating and accruing money and ranking points, but you don’t take the potential promo slot from another deserving player.
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Post by flyingj75 on Jun 6, 2020 16:58:18 GMT -5
flyingj75 I agree that an exploit is and exploit is an exploit, albeit I'd argue where that line should be. Apply it to everyone, OR, if you only apply it to "one" tour, then everyone who's not playing in that "one" tour has EVERY RIGHT to play by the "common API" applied to everyone else. You can't have it both ways and say everyone under the "common API", EXCEPT these 6, 12, 20 guys (take your pick) will be allowed to continue playing in TGCTs. Bottom line, if Euro is under the same API restrictions as KF and all the other CCs, then they have the right to play in that tour, regardless if they're winning every tournament or not. It's easy enough to change the rule for Euro/KF if they'd like. Again, they need to be consistent either way, as it's the only way to truly have fair play for everyone. I agree with you on this. We also have no idea how many people on Euro would fail API on PGA (me included, which is why I asked my original question), so makes no sense to get super upset. The only reason I take issue is because of the spot taken up for other people’s promos. For instance I was one stroke away from a promo to PGA last week and then this week I get a demo mark (possibly two). Not saying this is true, but if Daxon was one of the guys in the top 10 that prevented me from being in the 10 slot and getting my Promo, that’s not right. I’d propose some sort of hybrid where API is used to monitor and prevent promotion to PGA or placing in the top 10. No issue participating and accruing money and ranking points, but you don’t take the potential promo slot from another deserving player. Just to be clear, I'm not super upset. As a matter of fact, I'm not upset at all. Just glad to maybe be playing four rounds this week. No time left in the game to be worrying about any of it, I was just explaining where I stood on the issue. Being one of the best and banished from a tour (Dax, not me😜) is brutal. But it was obvious to me that Dax would completely dominate on this tour, which is fine, I in my own head though feel that it's ill gotten.
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Post by Generic_Casual on Jun 6, 2020 17:30:24 GMT -5
Did this turn into a PGA thread?! 😏😏
It seems as though I hit a pull, then I'm 'that guy'.
So be it.
Let's not give any credit to my ability to actually PLAY the game...my math and ability to decipher 12 wind from a 14 wind hitting 87 feet down with a L-R lie that is slightly uphill.
I wonder how much this is going to pull? *shrugs and swings*
42 feet with 9 inches up on the green. 4.2 to 2.1 to 1.05 to .52 to .26...difference between 187 to 181 to 144 to 163...*shrugs*
My putting gets no credit because I pull those too.
The rule for the pull is on PGA. This is Euro. Call it what you will, but it's 'within' the rules for now.
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Post by CoinHen77 on Jun 6, 2020 18:11:54 GMT -5
Did this turn into a PGA thread?! 😏😏 It seems as though I hit a pull, then I'm 'that guy'. So be it. Let's not give any credit to my ability to actually PLAY the game...my math and ability to decipher 12 wind from a 14 wind hitting 87 feet down with a L-R lie that is slightly uphill. I wonder how much this is going to pull? *shrugs and swings* 42 feet with 9 inches up on the green. 4.2 to 2.1 to 1.05 to .52 to .26...difference between 187 to 181 to 144 to 163...*shrugs* My putting gets no credit because I pull those too. The rule for the pull is on PGA. This is Euro. Call it what you will, but it's 'within' the rules for now. Sorry, was really trying to make it clear that I’ve got no beef with you. You’re within the rules and like I said, I have no idea if I’d even pass the API. I played a big pull all the way up into Euro and then started hearing about the API, got spooked and changed my swing. I’ve still got a little bit outside the blue on the top left on some swing, but no idea if that would get me ousted.
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