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Post by B.Smooth13 on Aug 7, 2020 13:04:11 GMT -5
And what about my original point? 2 woods literally don't exist anymore. If you can show me a legitimate golf company that is legitimately selling 2 woods then I will withdraw my point, but we want a realistic game with clubs that don't exist? Doesn't seem to make sense. Like I said, the 3 wood definitely needs to be longer. Having had my hands on it, a wedge shot from 100 yards is definitely not an automatic Birdie, especially on the higher difficulties. I don't want to be a stick in the mud on anything, but I use a 13.5 degree fairway tuned down to 12.75 degrees, which is technically a 2w when a 15 degree is a standard 3w loft. I think it would probably be better for them to describe the woods in loft degrees, rather than numbers, but I think most average players (non-tech golf people) will probably understand the 2w,3w,5w naming convention better. This makes way too much sense, get out of here with your silly, informed, realistic logic - it has no place here!
Signed,
Guy who has carried a 2h in his bag for the last 5 years
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Post by cseanny on Aug 7, 2020 13:23:37 GMT -5
Apparently some people are unaware that we can overwhelmingly welcome the new game while simultaneously providing critical feedback. I know the streams I participated in yesterday will all be giving HB feedback on their thoughts about the new game, most of it will Without Question Be Positive!!, however, some of it will fall into the constructive criticism range too. It's TRULY unfortunate some people are twisting portions of the feedback process to fallaciously insinuate those providing feedback are somehow compromising the entire process. I for one cannot wait for the game to come out!! Sadly, a few of you gents are indeed the ones responsible for cultivating and propelling an uncooperative and unhealthy forum environment.
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Aug 7, 2020 13:23:47 GMT -5
Just watched Andre's no green grid round and a very enjoyable watch, great stuff mate. The more I see the power bar in action the more I dislike it, legendary difficulty but those splash shots seem very easy to get up and down when the game shows you how hard to hit your shot. Same goes for putting, totally takes the skill out of long lag putts, can't see myself using it for sim rounds. Well any round I mean as I only play one way. Crazycanuck1985 s there a way to have the power meter without pin distance, for those who struggle to judge distance from the avatar's swing? Even on legendary, the short game seems pretty easy and having the putt meter telling you what percentage to hit, its very rare to put it more than 3-4 feet past the hole. I couldn't see a way where we could have the power meter still on, but no indication of where you need to stop your swing. I think that would be a nice middle ground. Right now, power meter on is challenging, but I can see people getting real good real fast with it on, but with it off, the game feels a bit twitchy and you never really feel like you are in control of anything, especially putting.. it seems that they have leaned pretty heavily into that distance control meter. That being said, I don't think we are going to see 51's and 52's on legend difficulty for a while, if at all, even with distance control on.
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Post by cseanny on Aug 7, 2020 13:28:28 GMT -5
I really like a lot of what I am seeing with this new game. Much more so than TGC 19. 2K21 has the potential to be an epic game. Yesterday was a HUGE step in the right direction and moving forward we can expect great things! Now if I can just get some more of my old WGT buddies to make the jump over!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 13:38:41 GMT -5
Just watched Andre's no green grid round and a very enjoyable watch, great stuff mate. The more I see the power bar in action the more I dislike it, legendary difficulty but those splash shots seem very easy to get up and down when the game shows you how hard to hit your shot. Same goes for putting, totally takes the skill out of long lag putts, can't see myself using it for sim rounds. Well any round I mean as I only play one way. Crazycanuck1985 s there a way to have the power meter without pin distance, for those who struggle to judge distance from the avatar's swing? Even on legendary, the short game seems pretty easy and having the putt meter telling you what percentage to hit, its very rare to put it more than 3-4 feet past the hole. I couldn't see a way where we could have the power meter still on, but no indication of where you need to stop your swing. I think that would be a nice middle ground. Right now, power meter on is challenging, but I can see people getting real good real fast with it on, but with it off, the game feels a bit twitchy and you never really feel like you are in control of anything, especially putting.. it seems that they have leaned pretty heavily into that distance control meter. That being said, I don't think we are going to see 51's and 52's on legend difficulty for a while, if at all, even with distance control on. Thanks for the info Andre, seems crazy that you can't actually turn off the pin distance marker on the power bar. Noticed you are a pretty good no grid putter, I saw this a while back but check out your long putts % (over 10 feet) on TST. 1 in 4 holed from 194 putts which is crazy good as I think it's the toughest part of the game on TGC2019. I know Woody is a good long putter because I play his turn based ghost a lot in USE but you are 6% better than him. You should compete in TST more. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xSeo94D.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 13:51:26 GMT -5
Even on legendary, the short game seems pretty easy and having the putt meter telling you what percentage to hit, its very rare to put it more than 3-4 feet past the hole. I couldn't see a way where we could have the power meter still on, but no indication of where you need to stop your swing. I think that would be a nice middle ground. Right now, power meter on is challenging, but I can see people getting real good real fast with it on, but with it off, the game feels a bit twitchy and you never really feel like you are in control of anything, especially putting.. it seems that they have leaned pretty heavily into that distance control meter. That being said, I don't think we are going to see 51's and 52's on legend difficulty for a while, if at all, even with distance control on. Thanks for the info Andre, seems crazy that you can't actually turn off the pin distance marker on the power bar. Noticed you are a pretty good no grid putter, I saw this a while back but check out your long putts % (over 10 feet) on TST. 1 in 4 holed from 194 putts which is crazy good as I think it's the toughest part of the game on TGC2019. I know Woody is a good long putter because I play his turn based ghost a lot in USE but you are 6% better than him. You should compete in TST more. He should come and kick our asses in USE ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 13:54:23 GMT -5
Have to say no surprise that Tuffguts is on that leaderboard as he is a great no grids putter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 14:14:33 GMT -5
Wouldn't there be more strategy involved if there was a 2 wood as then you'd have the option of going for it or laying up. If you're spraying your 2w approach on a par 5 into trouble will you be guaranteed of a birdie now? Is a 100 yard wedge shot going to be an automatic birdie like it is at the moment. Be a shame if designers create risk/reward holes if everyone is just going to lay up. I think when Ian dominated TGC1 he always laid up as he knew he would always get a birdie. And what about my original point? 2 woods literally don't exist anymore. If you can show me a legitimate golf company that is legitimately selling 2 woods then I will withdraw my point, but we want a realistic game with clubs that don't exist? Doesn't seem to make sense. Like I said, the 3 wood definitely needs to be longer. Having had my hands on it, a wedge shot from 100 yards is definitely not an automatic Birdie, especially on the higher difficulties. Pat Perez is gonna come knock on your door if you say PXG isn’t legitimate I get what you’re saying, but what about playing safe off the tee, how much further back will you be if you don’t go with driver now but opt for accuracy? That probably takes some strategy out too. ![](https://i.imgur.com/BA0xtIh.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 14:27:21 GMT -5
Did anyone check to see what lie % you get with driver off the deck on a par 5? Could that go further than a 3W?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 14:35:16 GMT -5
Has anyone compared a hybrid and a long iron out of the heavy rough?
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Post by cephyn on Aug 7, 2020 14:42:24 GMT -5
Has anyone compared a hybrid and a long iron out of the heavy rough? Yes, the iron had a better percentage. Same as tgc19. Really disappointing.
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Post by nevadaballin on Aug 7, 2020 14:44:10 GMT -5
You've fundamentally misunderstood then.
HB_Craig was asked 2x to FIX the 96% slow, to which he made it perfectly clear that there was nothing to fix and the game was operating as intended. He even went on to state "more power" to anyone with the ability to successfully accomplish such a thing.
And the reason a slow backswing was requested in the first place was to see if it was possible to achieve more consistent partials; that is, counting backwards from 105% to say 85%, in place of timing it 70-75-80 and then swinging at 85%.
After playing the preview and having it surpass my expectations in every way, its extremely disappointing but not surprising to see people already trying to highlight or discuss possible exploits. I mean, is this the biggest takeaway from all the coverage yesterday? I just don't understand it. As much as I loved the game, I'm pretty sure a few people here will find some sort of competitive edge and exploit it, ruining competition for thousands of players. So thanks in advance to those guys.... Sorry, just not in a great mood waking up to see what people though of what they saw and seeing discussion of stuff like this. After stopping by most of the streams I posted in here that I have zero regrets for preordering the deluxe edition. I’m looking forward to it. Screw the naysayers, let them be miserable. The rest of us will have fun ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by sroel908 on Aug 7, 2020 14:50:38 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Solo Societies are in the game? It wasn't in the main menu of the streamer's build... ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ee1yJn9WAAEAFli?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Post by cseanny on Aug 7, 2020 14:57:00 GMT -5
This! It's gonna be amazing. We had a lot of great guys in chat throughout the day!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 15:29:25 GMT -5
Apparently some people are unaware that we can overwhelmingly welcome the new game while simultaneously providing critical feedback. I know the streams I participated in yesterday will all be giving HB feedback on their thoughts about the new game, most of it will Without Question Be Positive!!, however, some of it will fall into the constructive criticism range too. It's TRULY unfortunate some people are twisting portions of the feedback process to fallaciously insinuate those providing feedback are somehow compromising the entire process. I for one cannot wait for the game to come out!! Sadly, a few of you gents are indeed the ones responsible for cultivating and propelling an uncooperative and unhealthy forum environment.
I'm not sure if you're referring to me as one of the people cultivating an unhealthy forum environment, but my point is this: it seemed like the points being brought up were to "hack" the game, right here on day 1 of simply previewing the game. If the goal of that was to identify things you want to see fixed, then I apologize for my overreaction. However, perhaps it's a result of some people having a history of looking for 'advantages' that made me think otherwise. You are right that most of what I saw was positive, and I'm really excited. You are also correct that it's a great opportunity to let them know of things that could be wrong, and I myself sent a list of nearly 10 things I found, so that's definitely happening and it's a great opportunity to help them improve the product at release, or at least in a first patch. Fair points for sure! I apologize if my comments were taken wrong or came across overly negative, I just have a sensitivity to the fact that there are people within the community at large who DO try to abuse every little nuance to gain an advantage, as if somehow manipulating the game so that they can be good at video game golf fulfills their lives in some way. Just my feeling on that aspect, but again, I sincerely apologize if my philosophy on that inaccurately made anybody feel implicated to that end. Thanks guys!
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