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Post by mcbogga on Aug 7, 2020 8:22:23 GMT -5
Handicap and distance are not correlated as much as you might think. I have never been a long hitter (200 yards is a good drive for me now) even as a youngster, but I have been as low as a 10 hcap. A lot depends on which set of tees you play from - some of us guys playing from shorter distances have 'caps in the 1 - 5 range. When I played alot in the late 90's I had 7 hdcp. I was short with the long clubs but you get me inside 120 yds and I played like a scratch golfer. There are all sorts of ways to get around a golf course. Go watch Lee Trevino highlights. With that said this game is supposed to replicate what a Pro golfers average distances are. And they fly 4 irons 240 nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 8:35:37 GMT -5
That’s pretty poor, imo. Shame. Disagree. How many people you know have a real life 2 wood or 6 wood in the bag? Yes it creates the bigger gap, but now we have to think a bit more strategically. Maybe we have to lay up, pitch on and try to make a Birdie now. I'm all for it. I do think the clubs need a 5-10 yard boost in distance though. I had a 3 wood that went 227. Not really pro distances. Wouldn't there be more strategy involved if there was a 2 wood as then you'd have the option of going for it or laying up. If you're spraying your 2w approach on a par 5 into trouble will you be guaranteed of a birdie now? Is a 100 yard wedge shot going to be an automatic birdie like it is at the moment. Be a shame if designers create risk/reward holes if everyone is just going to lay up. I think when Ian dominated TGC1 he always laid up as he knew he would always get a birdie.
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Post by cephyn on Aug 7, 2020 8:36:47 GMT -5
After watching hours and hours of streams today, I noticed there was NO 1,2 irons or 2 wood. Wondering if they are gone from the game for good or just from the preview copies that were being played today?? This is a great question and it’s in my list of notes to share with the devs (including the 1-iron). 👍🏻 Yeah the 1-iron, and 3-iron thing is really important, since they (disappointingly) did NOT fix hybrids. Irons still get better shot % out of the rough than hybrids...but if there's no branded long irons...we're super stuck.
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Post by cephyn on Aug 7, 2020 8:39:36 GMT -5
I think most amateur golfers can hit their 3 wood further than that. I hit my 3 wood about 235 to 245 yards irl. No they don’t, a three wood that long is a sign of a very good golfer, most people can’t drive 240 let alone hit a three wood 200 I hit a 3W about 220 if i hit it on the screws. Most of the time, its about 205. Honestly I can't hit it straight, and I usually use a 5W instead, for 195-200 on a good shot.
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Post by lessangster on Aug 7, 2020 9:24:19 GMT -5
I don’t want the game to play Bryson distances because that will make most of the RCR courses redundant seeing as were more accurate than the pros are in game. I’m fine with distances we carry now JimGem hit a couple of drives over 310 yds that’s far enough for me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 9:26:59 GMT -5
I don’t want the game to play Bryson distances because that will make most of the RCR courses redundant seeing as were more accurate than the pros are in game. I’m fine with distances we carry now JimGem hit a couple of drives over 310 yds that’s far enough for me The game need realistic PGA tour distances. As for accuracy - wait until you try the legendary difficulty. When I see streamers have 30% fairway and GIR - that is not too easy for them, and not near the accuracy on the real life PGA tour.
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Aug 7, 2020 9:30:27 GMT -5
Disagree. How many people you know have a real life 2 wood or 6 wood in the bag? Yes it creates the bigger gap, but now we have to think a bit more strategically. Maybe we have to lay up, pitch on and try to make a Birdie now. I'm all for it. I do think the clubs need a 5-10 yard boost in distance though. I had a 3 wood that went 227. Not really pro distances. Wouldn't there be more strategy involved if there was a 2 wood as then you'd have the option of going for it or laying up. If you're spraying your 2w approach on a par 5 into trouble will you be guaranteed of a birdie now? Is a 100 yard wedge shot going to be an automatic birdie like it is at the moment. Be a shame if designers create risk/reward holes if everyone is just going to lay up. I think when Ian dominated TGC1 he always laid up as he knew he would always get a birdie. And what about my original point? 2 woods literally don't exist anymore. If you can show me a legitimate golf company that is legitimately selling 2 woods then I will withdraw my point, but we want a realistic game with clubs that don't exist? Doesn't seem to make sense. Like I said, the 3 wood definitely needs to be longer. Having had my hands on it, a wedge shot from 100 yards is definitely not an automatic Birdie, especially on the higher difficulties.
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Post by MikeB on Aug 7, 2020 9:45:11 GMT -5
2w gone, good. Never seen one... 1i gone, OK. But 2i has gone too far!!
The grass alone makes this look so much better. Real players on the leaderboard, awesome. I love how the difficulty is so customizable. Cant wait to customize my bag with all those different clubs.
Course designer 2k21... now with 75% more sheds!!
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Post by lessangster on Aug 7, 2020 9:58:26 GMT -5
I don’t want the game to play Bryson distances because that will make most of the RCR courses redundant seeing as were more accurate than the pros are in game. I’m fine with distances we carry now JimGem hit a couple of drives over 310 yds that’s far enough for me The game need realistic PGA tour distances. As for accuracy - wait until you try the legendary difficulty. When I see streamers have 30% fairway and GIR - that is not too easy for them, and not near the accuracy on the real life PGA tour. That’s your opinion and your entitled to it i was just stating my opinion.
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Aug 7, 2020 10:00:00 GMT -5
You've fundamentally misunderstood then.
HB_Craig was asked 2x to FIX the 96% slow, to which he made it perfectly clear that there was nothing to fix and the game was operating as intended. He even went on to state "more power" to anyone with the ability to successfully accomplish such a thing.
And the reason a slow backswing was requested in the first place was to see if it was possible to achieve more consistent partials; that is, counting backwards from 105% to say 85%, in place of timing it 70-75-80 and then swinging at 85%.
After playing the preview and having it surpass my expectations in every way, its extremely disappointing but not surprising to see people already trying to highlight or discuss possible exploits. I mean, is this the biggest takeaway from all the coverage yesterday? I just don't understand it. As much as I loved the game, I'm pretty sure a few people here will find some sort of competitive edge and exploit it, ruining competition for thousands of players. So thanks in advance to those guys.... Sorry, just not in a great mood waking up to see what people though of what they saw and seeing discussion of stuff like this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 10:00:07 GMT -5
Wouldn't there be more strategy involved if there was a 2 wood as then you'd have the option of going for it or laying up. If you're spraying your 2w approach on a par 5 into trouble will you be guaranteed of a birdie now? Is a 100 yard wedge shot going to be an automatic birdie like it is at the moment. Be a shame if designers create risk/reward holes if everyone is just going to lay up. I think when Ian dominated TGC1 he always laid up as he knew he would always get a birdie. And what about my original point? 2 woods literally don't exist anymore. If you can show me a legitimate golf company that is legitimately selling 2 woods then I will withdraw my point, but we want a realistic game with clubs that don't exist? Doesn't seem to make sense. Like I said, the 3 wood definitely needs to be longer. Having had my hands on it, a wedge shot from 100 yards is definitely not an automatic Birdie, especially on the higher difficulties. You actually don't buy a 3 wood either. But in all the 25 years I have played golf, I have never seen a 2 wood or 4 wood. You buy a fairway wood - and choose loft. Different fairway woods comes in different loft; 13-18 degrees are most common. It is not that long ago that we had 3 wood, 5 wood (no 4 wood) with different degrees of loft - but when I look these days you have no number, only different loft options on the woods. So even Stensons Diablo Octane 13 degrees was branded as a 3 wood, not 2 wood. Same goes for hybrids and wedges these days. You choose loft, and the numbers are gone (no more 1 or 2 hybrid). Did you test all the different clubs? It looked like you had quite huge differences in distance on the different clubs. This is unfortunately very unrealistic - you don't have 20 yards difference in distance from driver to driver in real life. All drivers these days are good and in the hands of a player with high swing speed you get pretty much the same distances on all brands.
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Post by MikeB on Aug 7, 2020 10:16:02 GMT -5
You've fundamentally misunderstood then.
HB_Craig was asked 2x to FIX the 96% slow, to which he made it perfectly clear that there was nothing to fix and the game was operating as intended. He even went on to state "more power" to anyone with the ability to successfully accomplish such a thing.
And the reason a slow backswing was requested in the first place was to see if it was possible to achieve more consistent partials; that is, counting backwards from 105% to say 85%, in place of timing it 70-75-80 and then swinging at 85%.
After playing the preview and having it surpass my expectations in every way, its extremely disappointing but not surprising to see people already trying to highlight or discuss possible exploits. I mean, is this the biggest takeaway from all the coverage yesterday? I just don't understand it. As much as I loved the game, I'm pretty sure a few people here will find some sort of competitive edge and exploit it, ruining competition for thousands of players. So thanks in advance to those guys.... Sorry, just not in a great mood waking up to see what people though of what they saw and seeing discussion of stuff like this. Dude, yesterday was a lot of fun. I was on Twitch with you, respawn, and seamount on and off for 12 hours. Great day.
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Post by yaters on Aug 7, 2020 10:16:32 GMT -5
You've fundamentally misunderstood then.
HB_Craig was asked 2x to FIX the 96% slow, to which he made it perfectly clear that there was nothing to fix and the game was operating as intended. He even went on to state "more power" to anyone with the ability to successfully accomplish such a thing.
And the reason a slow backswing was requested in the first place was to see if it was possible to achieve more consistent partials; that is, counting backwards from 105% to say 85%, in place of timing it 70-75-80 and then swinging at 85%.
After playing the preview and having it surpass my expectations in every way, its extremely disappointing but not surprising to see people already trying to highlight or discuss possible exploits. I mean, is this the biggest takeaway from all the coverage yesterday? I just don't understand it. As much as I loved the game, I'm pretty sure a few people here will find some sort of competitive edge and exploit it, ruining competition for thousands of players. So thanks in advance to those guys.... Sorry, just not in a great mood waking up to see what people though of what they saw and seeing discussion of stuff like this. Yeah, a bit odd to hear all the negative chirping. Given the direction of this thread over the last month or so, doesn't surprise me I guess. I think the majority of people were happy with what they saw, excited about the direction of the game, and appreciative of what you guys provided with the streams. A lot of people here have spent hundreds/thousands of hours with the previous games. This game looks exponentially better in many ways. There will always be tiny things to address, improve, or change. And there will likely be some larger issues to deal with too. My view Andre is that a few people will just never be satisfied. They look for what is wrong vs what is right. Unfortunately, they seem to be a very vocal minority this go around. Personally, I am blown away by what I saw. I always tend to jump on the hype train a bit, but this exceeded my expectations by a long ways. I'm worried that I'm going to struggle with the difficulty, but as long as that's an equal struggle for all platforms, I will be happy. I REALLY struggled with TGC2019 and was demoralized when the first test events came around and people on PS4 were shooting -15/-16 a round. Thanks to you and the others for taking the time to show us the game. It will be a long 2 weeks.
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Aug 7, 2020 10:19:48 GMT -5
And what about my original point? 2 woods literally don't exist anymore. If you can show me a legitimate golf company that is legitimately selling 2 woods then I will withdraw my point, but we want a realistic game with clubs that don't exist? Doesn't seem to make sense. Like I said, the 3 wood definitely needs to be longer. Having had my hands on it, a wedge shot from 100 yards is definitely not an automatic Birdie, especially on the higher difficulties. You actually don't buy a 3 wood either. But in all the 25 years I have played golf, I have never seen a 2 wood or 4 wood. You buy a fairway wood - and choose loft. Different fairway woods comes in different loft; 13-18 degrees are most common. It is not that long ago that we had 3 wood, 5 wood (no 4 wood) with different degrees of loft - but when I look these days you have no number, only different loft options on the woods. So even Stensons Diablo Octane 13 degrees was branded as a 3 wood, not 2 wood. Same goes for hybrids and wedges these days. You choose loft, and the numbers are gone (no more 1 or 2 hybrid). Did you test all the different clubs? It looked like you had quite huge differences in distance on the different clubs. This is unfortunately very unrealistic - you don't have 20 yards difference in distance from driver to driver in real life. All drivers these days are good and in the hands of a player with high swing speed you get pretty much the same distances on all brands. So the Taylormade 3 wood I bought last year that has a 3 on it, isn't actually a 3 wood? News to me. Listen, I get what you are saying about fairway wood lofts, but I think they went with the classic "naming" of clubs to keep things easier for the more casual player, it would also be significantly more work to code fairway woods of every loft.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Aug 7, 2020 10:23:20 GMT -5
You've fundamentally misunderstood then.
HB_Craig was asked 2x to FIX the 96% slow, to which he made it perfectly clear that there was nothing to fix and the game was operating as intended. He even went on to state "more power" to anyone with the ability to successfully accomplish such a thing.
And the reason a slow backswing was requested in the first place was to see if it was possible to achieve more consistent partials; that is, counting backwards from 105% to say 85%, in place of timing it 70-75-80 and then swinging at 85%.
After playing the preview and having it surpass my expectations in every way, its extremely disappointing but not surprising to see people already trying to highlight or discuss possible exploits. I mean, is this the biggest takeaway from all the coverage yesterday? I just don't understand it. As much as I loved the game, I'm pretty sure a few people here will find some sort of competitive edge and exploit it, ruining competition for thousands of players. So thanks in advance to those guys.... Sorry, just not in a great mood waking up to see what people though of what they saw and seeing discussion of stuff like this. I'm sure there are a ton of players very excited by the new game based on what was seen yesterday, I know I am. Most of us just don't post on threads which descend into criticisms of the game, what is missing, what is there and shouldn't be. I know I personally just read through it and take it all with a pinch of salt. There will be bugs, probably there might be an exploit or two, nothing is perfect, but all in all it promises to easily be the best game yet, and by a distance.
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