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Post by mrohde4 on Apr 14, 2020 16:29:55 GMT -5
I know we aren’t playing for anything tangible, but it’s getting frustrating to grind my a** off week in and week out for two rounds to probably make/miss the cut by a shot... And then wake up to learn another top player has been API’d ... again. I’d like to believe in five years that I understand the parameters of this game, and this stuff just doesn’t pass the smell test. Maybe someone can explain why this is so difficult to consistently pass the metrics that are intended to capture “inhuman” data results? I appreciate the contributions to the community and your stances on the sanctities of competition, but cmon man this isn’t difficult to play with a DS4. There are enough bread crumbs to believe this isn’t the case, and any benefit of the doubt is lost after a third time. I'd like to believe in five years you'd understand I wouldn't suddenly start cheating in February of 2020 after posting videos and streaming gameplay plenty of times through the years. You can believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want.
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Post by mrohde4 on Apr 14, 2020 16:33:45 GMT -5
I assume your Occam's razor reference is the most likely cause of a player failing the API is something innocent like a dead spot or a newbie using a third party pad, then sure, I'll buy what you're selling. But players who consistently finish in the top 25 getting pulled 3, 4, 5 times in a season? Cmon. It's a pattern. These #elites know every angle of this game. Perhaps it's wrong to single anyone out, but after a certain point it's just disheartening. And I didn't accuse anyone of cheating. Whether someone's cheating all depends on your definition. Is teetering the API line by using a third party pad or by flicking considered "cheating" by the literal definition? As someone who's never failed, please enlighten me. You might pass API 18 out of 20 times, but I fail to understand how we should all just merrily keep skipping down the road when the pulls keep piling up. Well as you'll see in my video, I neither use a 3rd party pad or flick, yet here we are. Though I did try a Scuf in exhibition testing tournaments way back just out of curiosity and that was expectedly pulled. Got it. One video is clean therefore every round must be clean too. Sounds good. Exonerated.
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LFCallum
Weekend Golfer
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TGCT Name: Callum Hutchinson
Tour: PGA
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Post by LFCallum on Apr 14, 2020 16:40:59 GMT -5
Started off with a birdie on 1 before 3 putting from 15 feet on the 2nd for par. Forgot it was V Fast greens and put it 12ft past, then lipped out for birdie. That pretty much sums up the rest of my round. Putting all over the show. Bogeyed the par 5 5th after a slow backswing into the water. 3 birdied, 1 bogey, and 5 lip-outs later, I'm -3 after the first round. Rushed through the 2nd round knowing I was already elimanted and shot a mediocre -10. I assumue it'll be good enough to avoid a 2nd demo mark in a row. Seems my recent good form (by my standards) has run out. As for the course - loved it (apart from the shadows in R1 ) All the best everyone
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Apr 14, 2020 16:41:18 GMT -5
Been avoiding the PGA forums because of all the extra-curriculars, but I'll chime in. Curious as to why people just don't hold the controller normally and swing the way the game intended? I mean, it's not hard. If you rely on stupid grips and stick flicking, you really aren't that good at the game, you are just trying to game the system and hopefully not get caught. I got demoted this week from Euro so the good news is I'm now 2 promotions away from this garbage heap of a tour. This is a bad take Andre. First off, there are many different controller grips across all video games. I assume you think people who use claw grip in shooters are cheating? That would basically make every single competitive controller player in CoD and Fortnite cheaters. Someone using their thumb differently than you think is natural isn’t cheating. That’s essentially like saying Jim Furyk’s swing was cheating because it wasn’t the natural way to swing or Gary Sheffield’s stance was cheating because it created more swing speed. I've never used the word "cheated", but yes, I feel that in any video game if people aren't really playing the game as intended and I don't have alot of respect for that style at all. Don't even start comparing video games to real sports. To me, that's not an argument. Maybe I just don't get trying to do dumb things with a controller to gain an advantage. I'm competitive, but not to that extent. That's fine if you think my take is bad, you are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that you failing the API multiple times and scheduling on PGA (your own course too your first week?) is a pretty bad take as well. Anyway, I've had my fill PGA thread. This was fun. Good luck with the API, everyone.
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Post by Dave on Apr 14, 2020 16:41:22 GMT -5
You know I was sure someone was supposed to play these courses before putting them forward for the "premier" tour. You finished 12th here last year in very similar conditions. Don't remember? I apologise for my outburst. It's not your fault I spend less than 5 seconds analyzing my shot and then wonder why it didn't turn out as I'd hoped. I have an excuse. I'm a miserable old bastard. And I have a tendency to blame others rather than look at my own issues. It's an old habit I'm afraid. I appreciate the thankless task you guys are volunteering for and I try and bite my tongue for the most part but sometimes I can't help myself. Next time just give me some sh%$, sarcastic remark back and tell me to go f*** myself, and I'll sulk for a couple of days, forget it and apologise again the next time we speak.😂😂👍👍
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Post by theduke21 on Apr 14, 2020 16:43:42 GMT -5
You finished 12th here last year in very similar conditions. Don't remember? I apologise for my outburst. It's not your fault I spend less than 5 seconds analyzing my shot and then wonder why it didn't turn out as I'd hoped. I have an excuse. I'm a miserable old bastard. And I have a tendency to blame others rather than look at my own issues. It's an old habit I'm afraid. I appreciate the thankless task you guys are volunteering for and I try and bite my tongue for the most part but sometimes I can't help myself. Next time just give me some sh%$, sarcastic remark back and tell me to go f*** myself, and I'll sulk for a couple of days, forget it and apologise again the next time we speak.😂😂👍👍 It's all good Dave, I've been there myself plenty of times lol.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Apr 14, 2020 16:52:44 GMT -5
If so many top players are failing the API, wouldn't Occam's razor be "it isn't only picking up inhuman results" rather than "they're all trying to cheat and continuing to do so after failing the API"? I assume your Occam's razor reference is the most likely cause of a player failing the API is something innocent like a dead spot or a newbie using a third party pad, then sure, I'll buy what you're selling. But players who consistently finish in the top 25 getting pulled 3, 4, 5 times in a season? Cmon. It's a pattern. These #elites know every angle of this game. Perhaps it's wrong to single anyone out, but after a certain point it's just disheartening. And I didn't accuse anyone of cheating. Whether someone's cheating all depends on your definition. Is teetering the API line by using a third party pad or by flicking considered "cheating" by the literal definition? As someone who's never failed, please enlighten me. You might pass API 18 out of 20 times, but I fail to understand how we should all just merrily keep skipping down the road when the pulls keep piling up.
Occam's razor is referring to what what is the simplest explanation for the failures? Maybe it is that the API metrics pick up legitimate players on stock properly functioning controllers.
People are told they will have nothing to worry about if they just play with the official PlayStation or Xbox controller, make full lines, and try to swing as straight as possible keeping it in the blue cone. People who have been on this site for years claim they are doing exactly that and still get pulled. They try other controllers and maybe it works for a while then they get pulled again a few weeks later.
Put yourself in that position, what should you do? Intentionally miss shots that are less critical to your score to pass the metrics? I think people on here would treat that as very shady. Change swing or grip or something else to make your swing less accurate? Maybe, but this is a different story than changing your swing to get full lines instead of short lines or the keep it in the cone. It's basically intentionally find a way to play worse because some statistical analysis says your swing shouldn't possibly be as good as it is, when you are doing exactly what we have told people is the "right way" to play.
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Post by theduke21 on Apr 14, 2020 16:59:20 GMT -5
This is a bad take Andre. First off, there are many different controller grips across all video games. I assume you think people who use claw grip in shooters are cheating? That would basically make every single competitive controller player in CoD and Fortnite cheaters. Someone using their thumb differently than you think is natural isn’t cheating. That’s essentially like saying Jim Furyk’s swing was cheating because it wasn’t the natural way to swing or Gary Sheffield’s stance was cheating because it created more swing speed. I've never used the word "cheated", but yes, I feel that in any video game if people aren't really playing the game as intended and I don't have alot of respect for that style at all. Don't even start comparing video games to real sports. To me, that's not an argument. Maybe I just don't get trying to do dumb things with a controller to gain an advantage. I'm competitive, but not to that extent. That's fine if you think my take is bad, you are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that you failing the API multiple times and scheduling on PGA (your own course too your first week?) is a pretty bad take as well. Anyway, I've had my fill PGA thread. This was fun. Good luck with the API, everyone. Well you said gaming the system. How is someone playing the game as intended because they use the index finger to pull the stick back and the thumb to push the stick forward? I'm still creating a full line as the game intended and trying to swing straight like the game intended. Literally the only difference in the "default" swing is I use my index finger to pull it back instead of my thumb. If you want to argue the double thumb technique creates a human deadzone by creating torque to both sides of the stick, then I'd listen to that argument maybe, but the claw grip is pulling back and pushing forward on the y-axis just like any other swing. Good to see the true reason you felt the need to come in and call me out though. Thought it was strange how bothered some people in the designer community were that my course was scheduled. As I said, Dale already had it on his courses list and I made it with a Masters warmup in mind. That would've been the only tournament week I ever scheduled the course, it just so happened to be the first week I was given control of the schedule. Majority of players enjoyed the tournament so no regrets here. And to address gaming the system again. 10 year old me used claw grip on shooters as many kids did because it was much easier for smaller hands. That grip easily translated when I played Tiger Woods 04 using analog swing for the first time and it was just how I swung. Also how I pitched when I did analog pitching on MLB The Show 06 for the first time. Guess I was trying to get ahead of the future middle school competition.
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Post by theduke21 on Apr 14, 2020 17:00:00 GMT -5
I assume your Occam's razor reference is the most likely cause of a player failing the API is something innocent like a dead spot or a newbie using a third party pad, then sure, I'll buy what you're selling. But players who consistently finish in the top 25 getting pulled 3, 4, 5 times in a season? Cmon. It's a pattern. These #elites know every angle of this game. Perhaps it's wrong to single anyone out, but after a certain point it's just disheartening. And I didn't accuse anyone of cheating. Whether someone's cheating all depends on your definition. Is teetering the API line by using a third party pad or by flicking considered "cheating" by the literal definition? As someone who's never failed, please enlighten me. You might pass API 18 out of 20 times, but I fail to understand how we should all just merrily keep skipping down the road when the pulls keep piling up.
Occam's razor is referring to what what is the simplest explanation for the failures? Maybe it is that the API metrics pick up legitimate players on stock properly functioning controllers.
People are told they will have nothing to worry about if they just play with the official PlayStation or Xbox controller, make full lines, and try to swing as straight as possible keeping it in the blue cone. People who have been on this site for years claim they are doing exactly that and still get pulled. They try other controllers and maybe it works for a while then they get pulled again a few weeks later.
Put yourself in that position, what should you do? Intentionally miss shots that are less critical to your score to pass the metrics? I think people on here would treat that as very shady. Change swing or grip or something else to make your swing less accurate? Maybe, but this is a different story than changing your swing to get full lines instead of short lines or the keep it in the cone. It's basically intentionally find a way to play worse because some statistical analysis says your swing shouldn't possibly be as good as it is, when you are doing exactly what we have told people is the "right way" to play.
Spot on
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 14, 2020 17:00:36 GMT -5
This is a bad take Andre. First off, there are many different controller grips across all video games. I assume you think people who use claw grip in shooters are cheating? That would basically make every single competitive controller player in CoD and Fortnite cheaters. Someone using their thumb differently than you think is natural isn’t cheating. That’s essentially like saying Jim Furyk’s swing was cheating because it wasn’t the natural way to swing or Gary Sheffield’s stance was cheating because it created more swing speed. I've never used the word "cheated", but yes, I feel that in any video game if people aren't really playing the game as intended and I don't have alot of respect for that style at all. Don't even start comparing video games to real sports. To me, that's not an argument. Maybe I just don't get trying to do dumb things with a controller to gain an advantage. I'm competitive, but not to that extent. That's fine if you think my take is bad, you are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that you failing the API multiple times and scheduling on PGA (your own course too your first week?) is a pretty bad take as well. Anyway, I've had my fill PGA thread. This was fun. Good luck with the API, everyone. Is it a bad look? I don’t know... but it’s an odd look - suddenly piping up about people that might be holding the controller differently to you being bad at the game, after you’ve just been demoted two whole flights below them... apparently I’m gaming the system by sitting on my sofa (which I assume is acceptable) using my finger to pull back and thumb to push through? I also play with my DS4 wired to the PS4. Is that ok? If that is now frowned upon then, well, that’s news to me and total bollocks too - totally my opinion, obviously. I respect your opinion, but disagree with it entirely. Good luck in KF Andre. Make sure never to adjust your grip in any way from any other game you’ve ever played. Sometimes I wonder just how odd these threads can get each week.
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Post by tenbobnote on Apr 14, 2020 17:02:17 GMT -5
I would have thought the more complicated the grip/swing is in order to get a straight shot, the more difficult it would be to nail the tempo? Anyway, just finished 24 shots better than I did last year- mainly because I'm hitting P/P off the tee in an attempt to stay in the blue, instead of trying to smash the hell out of it and finishing in the rough. Less fun now, but 6 shots gained per round is a pretty good swap.
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Post by Dave on Apr 14, 2020 17:08:09 GMT -5
I've never used the word "cheated", but yes, I feel that in any video game if people aren't really playing the game as intended and I don't have alot of respect for that style at all. Don't even start comparing video games to real sports. To me, that's not an argument. Maybe I just don't get trying to do dumb things with a controller to gain an advantage. I'm competitive, but not to that extent. That's fine if you think my take is bad, you are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that you failing the API multiple times and scheduling on PGA (your own course too your first week?) is a pretty bad take as well. Anyway, I've had my fill PGA thread. This was fun. Good luck with the API, everyone. Is it a bad look? I don’t know... but it’s an odd look - suddenly piping up about people that might be holding the controller differently to you being bad at the game, after you’ve just been demoted two whole flights below them... apparently I’m gaming the system by sitting on my sofa (which I assume is acceptable) using my finger to pull back and thumb to push through? I also play with my DS4 wired to the PS4. Is that ok? If that is now frowned upon then, well, that’s news to me and total bollocks too - totally my opinion, obviously. I respect your opinion, but disagree with it entirely. Good luck in KF Andre. Make sure never to adjust your grip in any way from any other game you’ve ever played. Sometimes I wonder just how odd these threads can get each week. I hope you're sat on your sofa and not lying on it. That's so morally wrong it's unbelievable. You're basically the Ben Johnson of TGC Tours if you're lying down.
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Post by mrohde4 on Apr 14, 2020 17:08:22 GMT -5
I assume your Occam's razor reference is the most likely cause of a player failing the API is something innocent like a dead spot or a newbie using a third party pad, then sure, I'll buy what you're selling. But players who consistently finish in the top 25 getting pulled 3, 4, 5 times in a season? Cmon. It's a pattern. These #elites know every angle of this game. Perhaps it's wrong to single anyone out, but after a certain point it's just disheartening. And I didn't accuse anyone of cheating. Whether someone's cheating all depends on your definition. Is teetering the API line by using a third party pad or by flicking considered "cheating" by the literal definition? As someone who's never failed, please enlighten me. You might pass API 18 out of 20 times, but I fail to understand how we should all just merrily keep skipping down the road when the pulls keep piling up.
Occam's razor is referring to what what is the simplest explanation for the failures? Maybe it is that the API metrics pick up legitimate players on stock properly functioning controllers.
People are told they will have nothing to worry about if they just play with the official PlayStation or Xbox controller, make full lines, and try to swing as straight as possible keeping it in the blue cone. People who have been on this site for years claim they are doing exactly that and still get pulled. They try other controllers and maybe it works for a while then they get pulled again a few weeks later.
Put yourself in that position, what should you do? Intentionally miss shots that are less critical to your score to pass the metrics? I think people on here would treat that as very shady. Change swing or grip or something else to make your swing less accurate? Maybe, but this is a different story than changing your swing to get full lines instead of short lines or the keep it in the cone. It's basically intentionally find a way to play worse because some statistical analysis says your swing shouldn't possibly be as good as it is, when you are doing exactly what we have told people is the "right way" to play.
When I find myself in the situation you describe, I'll let you know. I realize this argument is pointless and impossible to prove. Maybe Tyler is telling the truth, maybe he isn't. Only he knows, and that's fine. We don't play each other while in the same room, and there are no controller inspections before tour rounds. It's fun and games. Shout out to Dave for lightening the mood. It's just frustrating and disappointing that my best non-API-failing efforts have reached their medium height ceiling, while 'better' players are getting flagged multiple times in a short span. Oh well.
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 14, 2020 17:09:48 GMT -5
Started off with a birdie on 1 before 3 putting from 15 feet on the 2nd for par. Forgot it was V Fast greens and put it 12ft past, then lipped out for birdie. That pretty much sums up the rest of my round. Putting all over the show. Bogeyed the par 5 5th after a slow backswing into the water. 3 birdied, 1 bogey, and 5 lip-outs later, I'm -3 after the first round. Rushed through the 2nd round knowing I was already elimanted and shot a mediocre -10. I assumue it'll be good enough to avoid a 2nd demo mark in a row. Seems my recent good form (by my standards) has run out. As for the course - loved it (apart from the shadows in R1 ) All the best everyone Oh Callum... talking about golf? One day you’ll learn 😂 On the golf. Keep plugging away. You’ve definitely got a game to compete up here, but like most of us, form is showing to be streaky 😀
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 14, 2020 17:13:00 GMT -5
Is it a bad look? I don’t know... but it’s an odd look - suddenly piping up about people that might be holding the controller differently to you being bad at the game, after you’ve just been demoted two whole flights below them... apparently I’m gaming the system by sitting on my sofa (which I assume is acceptable) using my finger to pull back and thumb to push through? I also play with my DS4 wired to the PS4. Is that ok? If that is now frowned upon then, well, that’s news to me and total bollocks too - totally my opinion, obviously. I respect your opinion, but disagree with it entirely. Good luck in KF Andre. Make sure never to adjust your grip in any way from any other game you’ve ever played. Sometimes I wonder just how odd these threads can get each week. I hope you're sat on your sofa and not lying on it. That's so morally wrong it's unbelievable. You're basically the Ben Johnson of TGC Tours if you're lying down. Oh I’m sitting up Dave. I’m not an animal. Can of Stella to the left, Razzle to the right and supported by 2 x admin approved cushions (behind my back). 100% kosher.
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