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Post by Q on Oct 27, 2020 9:19:39 GMT -5
Now the 8th green is at the clubhouse and my in-laws live by the 9th! That's just plain wrong. Completely disagree in principle. If a course was designed to have returning nines and was edited, then it's awkward, but there's no issue with having random holes like 4 (Pine Valley), 13 (Shinnecock), or 10 (Winged Foot East) come back. Also no issue with not returning at all. If anything, it's a fun change of pace from the standard 9 and 18 bringing you back to the patio. I've always made a point to return on a random hole on most of my courses (13 on Tufts, 10 on Rancho, 3 and 16 on my veiled Dream Team WIP). Adds a little spice and (ideally) makes you present a very different view of your clubhouse than you do on 18 I don't entirely disagree but I also generally only play 9 holes IRL and walk it . I feel that it is an architect choosing the course over the player if that makes sense and I'm not sure if I like that design decision. I guess it all depends on the target audience for that golf course. Any PGA course can do whatever it likes but a local muni/CC should definitely route back to the clubhouse after 9 due to the sheer volume of people playing it who are only playing 9. 9 hole golf is greatly increasing in popularity too in recent years!
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Post by mvpmanatee on Oct 29, 2020 16:07:38 GMT -5
Now the 8th green is at the clubhouse and my in-laws live by the 9th! That's just plain wrong. Completely disagree in principle. If a course was designed to have returning nines and was edited, then it's awkward, but there's no issue with having random holes like 4 (Pine Valley), 13 (Shinnecock), or 10 (Winged Foot East) come back. Also no issue with not returning at all. If anything, it's a fun change of pace from the standard 9 and 18 bringing you back to the patio. I've always made a point to return on a random hole on most of my courses (13 on Tufts, 10 on Rancho, 3 and 16 on my veiled Dream Team WIP). Adds a little spice and (ideally) makes you present a very different view of your clubhouse than you do on 18 I have always loved when member based courses have a sort of mini-loop of 4-6 holes that start and return at the club house. Always so fun when a match is tied to go out for the short loop to solve all discussions. On my home course in SF we called it the "Whiskey Loop", for reasons that I believe we might all understand. I do agree though, having a random hole mid-9 with a sweet view of the club house can be invigorating.
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Post by mvpmanatee on Oct 29, 2020 16:09:18 GMT -5
Completely disagree in principle. If a course was designed to have returning nines and was edited, then it's awkward, but there's no issue with having random holes like 4 (Pine Valley), 13 (Shinnecock), or 10 (Winged Foot East) come back. Also no issue with not returning at all. If anything, it's a fun change of pace from the standard 9 and 18 bringing you back to the patio. I've always made a point to return on a random hole on most of my courses (13 on Tufts, 10 on Rancho, 3 and 16 on my veiled Dream Team WIP). Adds a little spice and (ideally) makes you present a very different view of your clubhouse than you do on 18 I don't entirely disagree but I also generally only play 9 holes IRL and walk it . I feel that it is an architect choosing the course over the player if that makes sense and I'm not sure if I like that design decision. I guess it all depends on the target audience for that golf course. Any PGA course can do whatever it likes but a local muni/CC should definitely route back to the clubhouse after 9 due to the sheer volume of people playing it who are only playing 9. 9 hole golf is greatly increasing in popularity too in recent years! But what if said course offered the ability to play 8, 10 or even 11 holes at a discounted price? 9 really is just an arbitrary number when you are just squeezing in some golf. I also have never been one to care much for score, especially when playing 9, but maybe if you were trying to keep up a 9 hole record that might affect things.
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Post by Q on Oct 29, 2020 16:10:43 GMT -5
mvpmanatee you can also stop midround at one SF course to check out the Holocaust memorial, Or the Legion of Honor!
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Post by mvpmanatee on Oct 29, 2020 16:14:17 GMT -5
mvpmanatee you can also stop midround at one SF course to check out the Holocaust memorial, Or the Legion of Honor! Haha that is true.. I can count so many times I have stepped up to the 6th tee at Lincoln Park with at least 25 tourists watching me with excitement as I duckhook a ProV into the Cypress forest.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 31, 2020 9:58:59 GMT -5
Trouble left and right. 305 and downhill from the tee seems like the perfect time to pinch the hell out of the fairway.
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Post by b101 on Oct 31, 2020 11:20:51 GMT -5
Far from the worst, but one thing about this hole has always baffled me, on an otherwise impeccable course.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 31, 2020 11:50:31 GMT -5
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Post by b101 on Oct 31, 2020 11:51:38 GMT -5
Technically it’s natural. The question is why would you leave it or cut the fairway through it? Back on topic:
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Post by mvpmanatee on Oct 31, 2020 11:59:40 GMT -5
I thought I would contribute with what might not be the "worst hole" in golf - it is the most odd strategically and many consider the most dangerous golf hole in NYC. The great short 4 7th at Forest Park. To anyone that has played Forest Park, I think they might understand this choice of holes. The 7th is a par 4 that is only 235 to the middle of the green from the tee. There are towering oak trees on the inside corner, and the only player that might be able to consistently carry them is the best players in the world. For everyone else, a 90 foot tree just 120 yards away is not a feasible carry on a 235 yard shot. For everybody that can't carry it (everybody that plays this course) the "smart play" is a layup of 170 yards to the only section of fairway that isn't blocked out by trees, and leaves you a 90 yard uphill approach to the semi-blind green. The only miss you cannot make on this hole is right of the fairway where the out of bounds fence comes into play very quickly, and anybody that tries to lay up not realizing it's no more than 190 yards on that line to the fence ends up on the road. Because of this, the better miss is definitely left. As we all know, the average city golfer who plays on public courses like this will take out driver or 3 wood, and try to bend it around the trees to get on or near the green. The knowledge that 15 feet right of the green is out of bounds usually means people end up duck-hooking a shot into the left trees, and that's where the trouble begins. As you will notice in the screenshots, there is the 5th tee about 40 yards short left of the green, and the 8th tee about 20 yards long left. Combine this with the green itself being blind from the tee, you usually end up with people hitting driver with a group lining up their par putts on the green. Every time I am on the 5th tee, just short left of the 7th green, everybody is constantly trying to be aware of what is happening on 7, as I would guess 50% of balls end up on the 5th tee box area, and most of the players on 7 don't even realize that they hit it that far left. Sometimes I will play this course late in the afternoon on a colder day when there is nobody on this corner of the property, and I specifically play my tee shot down towards the 5th, and it leaves an easy 60 yard pitch up the hill with no hazards in sight.
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Post by tpetro on Oct 31, 2020 16:02:14 GMT -5
mvpmanatee nice to see a fellow New Yorker griping about our awful public golf. Forest Park is just a hilarious golf course. If we're talking NYC munis I gotta submit 4 at Pelham/Split Rock. 90-degree dogleg 300 yard par 4. Tee shot is roughly 50 feet downhill and approach 90 feet back up to the green. Landing area is usually flooded and if it's not, it's a mudslide. Green has 2 tiers that are each 6 feet deep at most (with a 6-foot-high ledge between them) and if the greens weren't always rolling at a 4 on the stimp it'd be very easy to putt the ball off the green and 100 yards back down the fairway.
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Post by Q on Nov 1, 2020 10:22:20 GMT -5
Here's my entry, Hole 5, a par 5 at Bodega Harbour Golf Links. Downhill tee shot that is completely blind past 200 yards, the safe play is to layup short of the green line so you can see it, If you pull driver you have risk of going OB and not knowing until you go down that cliff to check. OR you can play down the In course OB line and make this hole not even 430 yards long but risk going OB right. Second shot usually plays over OB towards the green as there is so much area short of the green it's easier to lay up there, plus it's a better angle into that green anyways as it slopes that way. Incourse OB wasn't there originally and I would just play into Hole 4's fairway lol
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Post by ErixonStone on Nov 1, 2020 12:02:49 GMT -5
if the greens weren't always rolling at a 4 on the stimp lol, gotta love NYC municipal golf.
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Post by MAJORHIGH on Nov 1, 2020 14:44:09 GMT -5
The 36 Holes at Torrey Pines
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Post by mvpmanatee on Nov 2, 2020 8:28:29 GMT -5
tpetro Ahhh - 4 at Pelham Bay is a good one! When there hasn't been much rain, and the pin on that hole is in the front, it's actually a pretty fun hole. Unfortunately, with the amount of summer rain we get out here, the fairway comprised of 80% mud and 20% rough (as they can't run a roller through the mud), and and the pin always seems to be way up top making it the most obnoxious approach you will ever hit. I don't think I have ever made par to that top pin position
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