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Post by 15eicheltower9 on May 5, 2020 5:59:52 GMT -5
Every approach is like playing darts. On a windy day it is frustrating. I have played BTC quite a bit. Place stinks. I think they had visions for the mounds like on 18 everywhere but they ran out of money and had to open up early. Place could’ve been special. I moved away before they finished their new club house. Did they ever finish it? As of last April it was not finished. The owner was building it "out of pocket". I think it's the same philosophy as the course itself. Just building what he can afford as he goes. Moved about 40 minutes away, so haven't been back since then. There's enough value courses plenty closer.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on May 5, 2020 9:28:51 GMT -5
Bringing this back to St. Andrews, there's an excellent discussion in the Feed The Ball Podcast about it. I believe it's the latest one (Salon vol. 3). If you don't listen to this podcast, this episode is sure to turn you on to it.
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Post by jwtexan on May 12, 2020 0:49:17 GMT -5
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Post by joegolferg on May 16, 2020 4:29:16 GMT -5
You'd be lucky to not finish up with a malignant brain tumor. Power pylons and phone/TV lines in one sitting...
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Post by jacobkessler on Aug 13, 2020 21:21:20 GMT -5
Sorry to revive such an old thread, but figured it made more sense to post here than start a new one... So, I was scouting a course I’m supposed to play an event at in a few weeks and... Phew. There’s a lot to process here. First, we have a 20 yard wide fairway that ends abruptly 260 yards, before picking back up at around 295. The “layup area” is possibly the biggest offender IMO. The widest parts are either 150 yards out (way too far back for such a short hole) or right next to the green, so if you’re going for that second layup zone you might as well just go at the green itself. The place where you’d actually want to be on a layup is about 10 yards wide... On top of all that, you have the trees. Now, I don’t have a problem with the tree line on the right- it really just serves as a boundary. The real problem is the tree directly in the line between the fairway and the green, forcing you to layup, sending you to that ridiculous layup area. I just... I don’t get it. Am I missing something? Is there anything this hole does right? I mean, being only 495 yards redeems it a little bit, but the design is still so absurdly stupid. I think it’s hard to crown one true worst hole in golf because there are so many out there, but this is definitely one of the dumber ones I’ve seen.
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Post by lessthanbread on Aug 13, 2020 21:47:02 GMT -5
Sorry to revive such an old thread, but figured it made more sense to post here than start a new one... So, I was scouting a course I’m supposed to play an event at in a few weeks and... Phew. There’s a lot to process here. First, we have a 20 yard wide fairway that ends abruptly 260 yards, before picking back up at around 295. The “layup area” is possibly the biggest offender IMO. The widest parts are either 150 yards out (way too far back for such a short hole) or right next to the green, so if you’re going for that second layup zone you might as well just go at the green itself. The place where you’d actually want to be on a layup is about 10 yards wide... On top of all that, you have the trees. Now, I don’t have a problem with the tree line on the right- it really just serves as a boundary. The real problem is the tree directly in the line between the fairway and the green, forcing you to layup, sending you to that ridiculous layup area. I just... I don’t get it. Am I missing something? Is there anything this hole does right? I mean, being only 495 yards redeems it a little bit, but the design is still so absurdly stupid. I think it’s hard to crown one true worst hole in golf because there are so many out there, but this is definitely one of the dumber ones I’ve seen. Yikes i hate the random gap in the fairway. Makes no sense for that gap to be there
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Post by joegolferg on Aug 14, 2020 6:55:40 GMT -5
lmao we love bad golf holes, here.
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Post by Oscar C on Aug 14, 2020 7:03:06 GMT -5
That hole Definitely forces pro club users to lay up but masters should get home With a bounce or tailwind off the tee
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Post by theclv24 on Aug 14, 2020 8:52:41 GMT -5
The holes are in question are the 3-5, perhaps the worst 3-hole stretch that I routinely play. You can't get the full perspective from above, as you can't see that most of the fairway is domed and unholdable, but here's the 3rd and 4th hole:
Here is the terrible par 5, again with no fairway that can actually hold a ball:
This year when we played it, I complained vociferously about these holes to my group and they agreed with me, although we ended up going on to win the scramble for this round, lol. Anyways, on the par 5 we actually put a ball in the fairway, and had 195 in with a considerable tailwind. We couldn't lay up, because of the absurdly narrow fairway, and we couldn't hit the green because it's so shallow already, even more so with a tailwind. So we ended up putting one in the rough just to the left of the front bunker, which was the best possible lay up would could ask for. When those are your options, you know the hole sucks.
I should also note that this year, they got rid of the "new" par 3 that I wrote about, and went back to the better looking par 3 that they were using for a practice area. I was very happy... except when I saw that all of the yardage markers still pointed to the other green, and the green we were playing to was totally baked out, and the bunkers overgrown. A complete disaster. I still stuck it about 7 feet away and made the putt for a solo birdie, though!
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Post by joegolferg on Aug 14, 2020 9:52:15 GMT -5
I thought the "masterpiece" was a sly dig at Jones and then I realized that they actually call it that lmao.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Aug 14, 2020 15:36:11 GMT -5
The holes are in question are the 3-5, perhaps the worst 3-hole stretch that I routinely play. You can't get the full perspective from above, as you can't see that most of the fairway is domed and unholdable, but here's the 3rd and 4th hole:
Here is the terrible par 5, again with no fairway that can actually hold a ball:
This year when we played it, I complained vociferously about these holes to my group and they agreed with me, although we ended up going on to win the scramble for this round, lol. Anyways, on the par 5 we actually put a ball in the fairway, and had 195 in with a considerable tailwind. We couldn't lay up, because of the absurdly narrow fairway, and we couldn't hit the green because it's so shallow already, even more so with a tailwind. So we ended up putting one in the rough just to the left of the front bunker, which was the best possible lay up would could ask for. When those are your options, you know the hole sucks.
I should also note that this year, they got rid of the "new" par 3 that I wrote about, and went back to the better looking par 3 that they were using for a practice area. I was very happy... except when I saw that all of the yardage markers still pointed to the other green, and the green we were playing to was totally baked out, and the bunkers overgrown. A complete disaster. I still stuck it about 7 feet away and made the putt for a solo birdie, though!
Haha, I gave you a thumbs up on your golf advisor review.
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Post by mvpmanatee on Aug 14, 2020 15:51:09 GMT -5
Didn't realize how much I needed this thread in my life.
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Post by cd06 on Oct 25, 2020 12:32:09 GMT -5
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Post by Giraffe72 on Oct 26, 2020 16:10:52 GMT -5
Entertaining and interesting thread, I missed this the first time round. I don't pretend to know enough about golf course architecture to pick out individual holes on top courses (and others!) like you guys, but I will say I hate any hole with a bunker in the middle of the green. That one at San Antonio just needs a windmill and a clown face as far as I'm concerned.
I play a course (Abbey Park near Alvechurch) now and again as my in-laws back garden goes on to the 10th green, well it used to.... It's actually quite a decent course but they recently sold a bit of land and had to create a new hole and reorganise the course a little. Now the 8th green is at the clubhouse and my in-laws live by the 9th! That's just plain wrong. Still, at least I can get a cold beer.....
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Post by tpetro on Oct 26, 2020 16:21:34 GMT -5
Now the 8th green is at the clubhouse and my in-laws live by the 9th! That's just plain wrong. Completely disagree in principle. If a course was designed to have returning nines and was edited, then it's awkward, but there's no issue with having random holes like 4 (Pine Valley), 13 (Shinnecock), or 10 (Winged Foot East) come back. Also no issue with not returning at all. If anything, it's a fun change of pace from the standard 9 and 18 bringing you back to the patio. I've always made a point to return on a random hole on most of my courses (13 on Tufts, 10 on Rancho, 3 and 16 on my veiled Dream Team WIP). Adds a little spice and (ideally) makes you present a very different view of your clubhouse than you do on 18
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