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Post by doublebogey on Mar 10, 2015 2:16:09 GMT -5
Have you played Emirates International yet Played the Sunday course. Very pretty course, shot -9. You have a knack for making great drivable par 4s. Your par 5s are also excellent. Your finishing holes played tough. Really liked that stretch. Again I think you just need more slope on the greens to give it some teeth. I really enjoy your design style. On approach shots, you want the player to decide which side and above or below the hole to leave it. You want it in their head to leave a makeable putt, not be able to shoot for the pin and be able to easily sink a putt from any direction. Again try and strike a balance of easier greens with tougher approaches, and tougher greens with easier approaches. Mix in a couple of tough approaches with tougher greens. You want a few holes that when someone birdies, they feel they are picking up a stroke on the field. Awesome work, hope you keep it up. |
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Post by rod81simo on Mar 10, 2015 2:23:18 GMT -5
On approach shots, you want the player to decide which side and above or below the hole to leave it. You want it in their head to leave a makeable putt, not be able to shoot for the pin and be able to easily sink a putt from any direction. Again try and strike a balance of easier greens with tougher approaches, and tougher greens with easier approaches. Mix in a couple of tough approaches with tougher greens. You want a few holes that when someone birdies, they feel they are picking up a stroke on the field. Awesome work, hope you keep it up.[/quote] Well worded that's exactly it. Glad you liked them and have made some slight adjustments to Growling Frogs greens that I think should make them all a challenge. Cheers |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 6:52:03 GMT -5
I am confused, where is the problem again? the best are still gunna win, and the worst are still gunna lose.
just give me some good looking courses that offer up some options while still presenting a fair challenge.
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Post by rod81simo on Mar 10, 2015 6:56:14 GMT -5
I am confused, where is the problem again? the best are still gunna win, and the worst are still gunna lose. just give me some good looking courses that offer up some options while still presenting a fair challenge. Agree taste. I feel the best want a challenge tho and not a birdie fest which one or two missed opportunities and your no longer looking at a W or top 5. 8-10 birdies for the best players is a good balance and achievable when designing. |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Mar 10, 2015 7:05:47 GMT -5
I am confused, where is the problem again? the best are still gunna win, and the worst are still gunna lose. just give me some good looking courses that offer up some options while still presenting a fair challenge. The problem for me is that a birdie SHOULD be rewarding, and a run of birdies or an eagle should be very rewarding. Taking next weeks Euro course as an example, birdie is "the norm"and a par is a disaster. Personally i prefer courses like Lunenburg where you have to work for your birdies and when you get a few on the bounce you actually feel like you've achieved something . You're right that the leaderboards wouldn't change much, but for me if courses were generally harder i'd find the whole thing more fun. Just me though, i accept others won't agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 7:19:31 GMT -5
I am confused, where is the problem again? the best are still gunna win, and the worst are still gunna lose. just give me some good looking courses that offer up some options while still presenting a fair challenge. The problem for me is that a birdie SHOULD be rewarding, and a run of birdies or an eagle should be very rewarding. Taking next weeks Euro course as an example, birdie is "the norm"and a par is a disaster. Personally i prefer courses like Lunenburg where you have to work for your birdies and when you get a few on the bounce you actually feel like you've achieved something . You're right that the leaderboards wouldn't change much, but for me if courses were generally harder i'd find the whole thing more fun. Just me though, i accept others won't agree. work all you want on whatever course is thrown at you, for most players, the end result on the leaderboards will be the same (placing) in a tournament, its no longer you verses the course, its you verses the field. its the field that brings the challenge, its the field that brings the challenge. dont believe that? let doyley play in the champions tour for an entire year, how many wins will he get there? (as long as he submits his scores in time......) if a birdie does not feel rewarding to you, get a damn eagle. |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Mar 10, 2015 7:27:17 GMT -5
The problem for me is that a birdie SHOULD be rewarding, and a run of birdies or an eagle should be very rewarding. Taking next weeks Euro course as an example, birdie is "the norm"and a par is a disaster. Personally i prefer courses like Lunenburg where you have to work for your birdies and when you get a few on the bounce you actually feel like you've achieved something . You're right that the leaderboards wouldn't change much, but for me if courses were generally harder i'd find the whole thing more fun. Just me though, i accept others won't agree. work all you want on whatever course is thrown at you, for most players, the end result on the leaderboards will be the same (placing) in a tournament, its no longer you verses the course, its you verses the field. its the field that brings the challenge, its the field that brings the challenge. dont believe that? let doyley play in the champions tour for an entire year, how many wins will he get there? (as long as he submits his scores in time......) if a birdie does not feel rewarding to you, get a damn eagle. Think we just differ on what the game is Taste. For me it is me vs the course and the course is the challenge. The leaderboard is just a by product of how well/badly i do against the course. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 7:41:30 GMT -5
work all you want on whatever course is thrown at you, for most players, the end result on the leaderboards will be the same (placing) in a tournament, its no longer you verses the course, its you verses the field. its the field that brings the challenge, its the field that brings the challenge. dont believe that? let doyley play in the champions tour for an entire year, how many wins will he get there? (as long as he submits his scores in time......) if a birdie does not feel rewarding to you, get a damn eagle. Think we just differ on what the game is Taste. For me it is me vs the course and the course is the challenge. The leaderboard is just a by product of how well/badly i do against the course. this is tgc tours, if you want to discuss the games difficulty or course difficulty, head on over to the hb forums. if all you want is a challenging course, why bother playing a tournament, you can play any course you wish at any time in single player. have all the challenge you want there. |
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Mar 10, 2015 8:09:06 GMT -5
The real question is will there be a course we play this year on tour where the winner doesn't reach -40? Magnolia?
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Post by Tim on Mar 10, 2015 8:29:27 GMT -5
I think the new design contest I just posted will produce some high quality difficult courses!
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Post by ralphieboy79 on Mar 10, 2015 9:18:22 GMT -5
Glad to see some more difficult courses on the way. Not a big fan of these shootouts.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Mar 10, 2015 9:44:03 GMT -5
Think we just differ on what the game is Taste. For me it is me vs the course and the course is the challenge. The leaderboard is just a by product of how well/badly i do against the course. this is tgc tours, if you want to discuss the games difficulty or course difficulty, head on over to the hb forums. if all you want is a challenging course, why bother playing a tournament, you can play any course you wish at any time in single player. have all the challenge you want there. So your way of having a discussion is to tell me that because i see the game slightly differently to you i should neither post here (in a thread about low scores i might add) or even participate in the tournaments. Got it  |
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Post by Garno on Mar 10, 2015 10:17:54 GMT -5
this is tgc tours, if you want to discuss the games difficulty or course difficulty, head on over to the hb forums. if all you want is a challenging course, why bother playing a tournament, you can play any course you wish at any time in single player. have all the challenge you want there. So your way of having a discussion is to tell me that because i see the game slightly differently to you i should neither post here (in a thread about low scores i might add) or even participate in the tournaments. Got it  |
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Post by fondername0 on Mar 10, 2015 10:18:46 GMT -5
The real problem with low scoring events is it really doesn't distinguish between great playing and good playing for most of the holes played. It's only the remaining less than half that make any difference. Take the Northern Trust open on the PGA. The average score for those who made the cut was about 60.5. That means for everyone who made the cut they birdied about 10 out of the 18 holes. Which makes those 10 holes completely irrelevant to the outcome. Unless you were lucky to hole out, except for eagle putts on par 5's, everyone had the same score. So in that sense, skill had zero part in more than half the holes played. If you played great, or just OK, the outcome was identical for those holes. If you get hot and really play great and birdie 10 holes in a row, how many shots are you really picking up on the field? 2, maybe 3. This is where the problem lies. If we can find a way to raise the average score to closer to 70, that makes way more holes that actually matter and require more skill. And that way playing great shows up on the scorecard. People will really be able to see when someone shoots a really great round. With golf, shooting an exceptional round should shoot you up the leaderboard, not only get you a couple of strokes off the field. Curious to hear what others think. Yep, its a putting contest. The game engine is too easy for a lot of players. I don't see any fix to this. Keep in mind, HB is making a game for the masses. Most casual players like making lots of birdies. But yes, that does kind of suck for those few players that are looking for a true "PGA simulation" |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 10, 2015 10:31:20 GMT -5
I think it becomes an issue with score compression.
On courses that are less of a challenge than others, going to the OP in this thread, there comes a point when there is no distinction between players at the top of the leaderboard.
We haven't had that happen yet, but I do think it could come.
There could be a tournament where say the top 3-5 players all play perfect golf and shoot the exact same score.
More challenge in the courses (for the top tours) offers opportunities for separation.
It offers a chance for movement in the leaderboards, and ultimately would lead to more exciting results, and more engaging tournaments for the competitors.
There might be some things on the horizon that could help, independent of the courses... round by round winds for example.
But until that happens, course difficulty is really the only thing that can be looked at.
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