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Post by golferdude1994 on Mar 30, 2020 1:42:50 GMT -5
question, does anyone know if corona gets inhibited by heat and/or hot temperatures? Phoenix will be 80+ degrees starting tomorrow indefinitely.
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 30, 2020 2:18:28 GMT -5
question, does anyone know if corona gets inhibited by heat and/or hot temperatures? Phoenix will be 80+ degrees starting tomorrow indefinitely. i don't know for sure. I think that is the hope from the medical community though. >>> www.livescience.com/coronavirus-warm-weather-study.html |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 30, 2020 5:19:39 GMT -5
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/trump-says-keeping-us-covid-19-deaths-to-100000-would-be-a-very-good-job"Donald Trump has extended America’s national shutdown for a month, bowing to public health experts, and scientific reality, and warning that the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is yet to come. Speaking in the White House Rose Garden, the US president claimed that, if his administration keeps the death toll to 100,000, it will have done “a very good job” – a startling shift from his optimistic predictions of a few days ago when he said he hoped to restart the economy by Easter."
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 30, 2020 12:27:48 GMT -5
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/trump-says-keeping-us-covid-19-deaths-to-100000-would-be-a-very-good-job"Donald Trump has extended America’s national shutdown for a month, bowing to public health experts, and scientific reality, and warning that the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is yet to come. Speaking in the White House Rose Garden, the US president claimed that, if his administration keeps the death toll to 100,000, it will have done “a very good job” – a startling shift from his optimistic predictions of a few days ago when he said he hoped to restart the economy by Easter." Shutdowns were never up to Trump to begin with. The governor's run that per state and mayors per city. Trump can only make recommendations (Pence's card he waves around everyday). But that isn't any kind of law or executive order. It's only the White House recommendations. If he would have dropped them, most people wouldn't have listened to him and still would have been practicing distancing and so forth. The governors would have made sure of it . It's also extremely irresponsible and moronic that the states have had to bid against each other and against FEMA to get supplies. Those should have been acquired by the Feds and allocated accordingly. I can't even comment on the 100K. It's horrible. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 30, 2020 12:38:18 GMT -5
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/trump-says-keeping-us-covid-19-deaths-to-100000-would-be-a-very-good-job"Donald Trump has extended America’s national shutdown for a month, bowing to public health experts, and scientific reality, and warning that the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is yet to come. Speaking in the White House Rose Garden, the US president claimed that, if his administration keeps the death toll to 100,000, it will have done “a very good job” – a startling shift from his optimistic predictions of a few days ago when he said he hoped to restart the economy by Easter." Shutdowns were never up to Trump to begin with. The governor's run that per state and mayors per city. Trump can only make recommendations (Pence's card he waves around everyday). But that isn't any kind of law or executive order. It's only the White House recommendations. If he would have dropped them, most people wouldn't have listened to him and still would have been practicing distancing and so forth. The governors would have made sure of it . It's also extremely irresponsible and moronic that the states have had to bid against each other and against FEMA to get supplies. Those should have been acquired by the Feds and allocated accordingly. I can't even comment on the 100K. It's horrible. As promised, I won't get involved in back and forth debating this time. Even though I probably could this time, as it's remained entirely respectful so far 👍 I respect your opinion  |
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 30, 2020 18:10:39 GMT -5
Shutdowns were never up to Trump to begin with. The governor's run that per state and mayors per city. Trump can only make recommendations (Pence's card he waves around everyday). But that isn't any kind of law or executive order. It's only the White House recommendations. If he would have dropped them, most people wouldn't have listened to him and still would have been practicing distancing and so forth. The governors would have made sure of it . It's also extremely irresponsible and moronic that the states have had to bid against each other and against FEMA to get supplies. Those should have been acquired by the Feds and allocated accordingly. I can't even comment on the 100K. It's horrible. As promised, I won't get involved in back and forth debating this time. Even though I probably could this time, as it's remained entirely respectful so far 👍 I respect your opinion What part of my post was the opinion part? #Confused. |
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Post by catcherman22 on Mar 30, 2020 20:43:35 GMT -5
As promised, I won't get involved in back and forth debating this time. Even though I probably could this time, as it's remained entirely respectful so far 👍 I respect your opinion What part of my post was the opinion part? #Confused. It's also extremely irresponsible and moronic that the states have had to bid against each other and against FEMA to get supplies. Those should have been acquired by the Feds and allocated accordingly. Would be my guess? |
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 30, 2020 22:11:12 GMT -5
What part of my post was the opinion part? #Confused. It's also extremely irresponsible and moronic that the states have had to bid against each other and against FEMA to get supplies. Those should have been acquired by the Feds and allocated accordingly. Would be my guess? God I hope not. Every governor and medical professional agrees with that statement. Hell, some of them said it first lol. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 31, 2020 12:59:14 GMT -5
As promised, I won't get involved in back and forth debating this time. Even though I probably could this time, as it's remained entirely respectful so far 👍 I respect your opinion What part of my post was the opinion part? #Confused. I've seen debate on what trump wants to enforce, whether states will follow what he "requests," AND actually that they could try and enforce federal bypass type things. Also that he could do a halfway house type thing, where New York is "locked down," in that people can't go in and out of the city, but he doesn't force them to be in quarantine within the city. And there is precedent for that in the laws. So maybe "opinion" is the right word, or "interpretation..." Wasn't even feeling that we're in disagreement, I've agreed with most of what you say in here, and certainly the situation with states outbidding each other, but like I said, I had promised not to get into back and forths with people. But nobody has said anything today, and didn't want to leave you wondering what I meant, so there you have it. I'll leave it at that |
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Post by cliffs on Mar 31, 2020 13:25:10 GMT -5
My State gov. just extended the "Stay at Home" advisory until May 4th. Wife and I just got home from grocery shopping. The store wasn't busy but a few shelves are still empty. I am listening to that same gov. right now and I wish he would go to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and tutor the man who lives there.
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 31, 2020 13:26:15 GMT -5
What part of my post was the opinion part? #Confused. I've seen debate on what trump wants to enforce, whether states will follow what he "requests," AND actually that they could try and enforce federal bypass type things. Also that he could do a halfway house type thing, where New York is "locked down," in that people can't go in and out of the city, but he doesn't force them to be in quarantine within the city. And there is precedent for that in the laws. So maybe "opinion" is the right word, or "interpretation..." Wasn't even feeling that we're in disagreement, I've agreed with most of what you say in here, and certainly the situation with states outbidding each other, but like I said, I had promised not to get into back and forths with people. But nobody has said anything today, and didn't want to leave you wondering what I meant, so there you have it. I'll leave it at that That debate you heard was a little off, we'll leave it there bud |
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 31, 2020 13:28:19 GMT -5
My State gov. just extended the "Stay at Home" advisory until May 4th. Wife and I just got home from grocery shopping. The store wasn't busy but a few shelves are still empty. I am listening to that same gov. right now and I wish he would go to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and tutor the man who lives there. Food banks are beginning to get stretched beyond their limits. People have spent their last paychecks and are now running out of food (which is to the point i made earlier about shelves being stocked by next week, people who have lived paycheck to paycheck are running out of money). |
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Mar 31, 2020 16:30:48 GMT -5
What part of my post was the opinion part? #Confused. I've seen debate on what trump wants to enforce, whether states will follow what he "requests," AND actually that they could try and enforce federal bypass type things. Also that he could do a halfway house type thing, where New York is "locked down," in that people can't go in and out of the city, but he doesn't force them to be in quarantine within the city. And there is precedent for that in the laws. So maybe "opinion" is the right word, or "interpretation..." Wasn't even feeling that we're in disagreement, I've agreed with most of what you say in here, and certainly the situation with states outbidding each other, but like I said, I had promised not to get into back and forths with people. But nobody has said anything today, and didn't want to leave you wondering what I meant, so there you have it. I'll leave it at that The federal government has no authority or precedent to quarantine just one city, or area, or state. NYC has the authority to quarantine NYC, New York State has the authority to quarantine the whole state but not just one city in it. The Federal government has the authority to quarantine the country but no individual state or city. The federal government can and should meet with local leaders on the state and city level to come up with a plan for quarantine, but that's as far as it goes and it hasn't happened. Just so there's no confusion. |
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Mar 31, 2020 17:11:16 GMT -5
I've seen debate on what trump wants to enforce, whether states will follow what he "requests," AND actually that they could try and enforce federal bypass type things. Also that he could do a halfway house type thing, where New York is "locked down," in that people can't go in and out of the city, but he doesn't force them to be in quarantine within the city. And there is precedent for that in the laws. So maybe "opinion" is the right word, or "interpretation..." Wasn't even feeling that we're in disagreement, I've agreed with most of what you say in here, and certainly the situation with states outbidding each other, but like I said, I had promised not to get into back and forths with people. But nobody has said anything today, and didn't want to leave you wondering what I meant, so there you have it. I'll leave it at that The federal government has no authority or precedent to quarantine just one city, or area, or state. NYC has the authority to quarantine NYC, New York State has the authority to quarantine the whole state but not just one city in it. The Federal government has the authority to quarantine the country but no individual state or city. The federal government can and should meet with local leaders on the state and city level to come up with a plan for quarantine, but that's as far as it goes and it hasn't happened. Just so there's no confusion. I'm going to correct myself now, he can essentially quarantine a state by stopping all traffic in and out of it, travel between states is a federal matter, but he can't order just one state to "shelter in place", or restrict travel within that state. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 31, 2020 17:11:46 GMT -5
I've seen debate on what trump wants to enforce, whether states will follow what he "requests," AND actually that they could try and enforce federal bypass type things. Also that he could do a halfway house type thing, where New York is "locked down," in that people can't go in and out of the city, but he doesn't force them to be in quarantine within the city. And there is precedent for that in the laws. So maybe "opinion" is the right word, or "interpretation..." Wasn't even feeling that we're in disagreement, I've agreed with most of what you say in here, and certainly the situation with states outbidding each other, but like I said, I had promised not to get into back and forths with people. But nobody has said anything today, and didn't want to leave you wondering what I meant, so there you have it. I'll leave it at that The federal government has no authority or precedent to quarantine just one city, or area, or state. NYC has the authority to quarantine NYC, New York State has the authority to quarantine the whole state but not just one city in it. The Federal government has the authority to quarantine the country but no individual state or city. The federal government can and should meet with local leaders on the state and city level to come up with a plan for quarantine, but that's as far as it goes and it hasn't happened. Just so there's no confusion. I literally said he couldn't enforce a quarantine. The "halfway house" thing I was talking about, where you can stop people going in and out of the city is called "cordon sanitaire" and it is a law... Like I said to Nevada, a bunch of things are being discussed, hypothesised etc. That's where I was talking about opinion or interpretation. I know the states are making their own decisions on lockdowns, based on law; the overall situation is not quite as simple as that though... |
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