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Post by mrohde4 on Mar 10, 2020 22:59:05 GMT -5
I've been pulled twice this season and the admins have said my round looked normal but my putts were considered "too straight". I'm playing the game as Duke described up above (how the game wants you to play) and both pulls were with different controllers as well. I've talked to the admins and neither of us have any clue what the problem is. I don't know how any of it works but that's my two cents. I’m not saying anybody is doing it on purpose, but something is not right. Maybe a fraud controller, usb vs Bluetooth connection, internet issues, who knows but I would bet something is off. You can’t just blame the API if you are getting multiple pulls is all. I play with a group of PGA (WT) players who have 1000’s of round on tour and there have been 3-4 pulls over 3 seasons. All were controller issues. Not an elite player unless you get pulled, everyone knows that!
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Post by theduke21 on Mar 11, 2020 0:43:19 GMT -5
2 1/2 seasons I haven’t been pulled and I’m pretty damn straight on a majority of my shots. Maybe I’m close to getting pulled, I don’t even know but I know I play fair and so far it’s worked out. I don’t want people thinking they can’t hit straight and worry about getting pulled. Maybe something else is going on, I highly doubt it’s because you are too straight is all I’m saying. Seems something is up with your system, you had issues a few months ago where you couldn’t pullback on your backswing. I just get tired of the I’m too straight and am getting pulled unfairly argument. It sets a bad precedent. I think more people are borderline than you think, and a few of us just that I know of have been playing on the PGA Tour since 2015 and never had an issue until TGC19. I've had 3 different DS4's that have showed up as borderline now, 2 brand new, 1 not. And 1 was back at the very start of the game. I'm not saying unfairly, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do really at this point. I tried the USB/BT stuff but nothing changed there. I can't imagine how the system would change anything and I play on hardwire with fiber internet. The pulling the club back thing is a really old issue dating back to TGC1 that people have had. I had a friend deal with it recently, so I don't really know what that's about. But either way, I'm done buying new controllers so now it's just either keep playing normal and hope I don't pass the line or purposely mess up my swing at times to avoid the API which just feels dishonest. My only point was API never pulled normal input on TGC1 or TGC2 as fas as I ever heard, 19 clearly changed something and is just another way the game is failing with swing mechanics.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Mar 11, 2020 0:51:34 GMT -5
2 1/2 seasons I haven’t been pulled and I’m pretty damn straight on a majority of my shots. Maybe I’m close to getting pulled, I don’t even know but I know I play fair and so far it’s worked out. I don’t want people thinking they can’t hit straight and worry about getting pulled. Maybe something else is going on, I highly doubt it’s because you are too straight is all I’m saying. Seems something is up with your system, you had issues a few months ago where you couldn’t pullback on your backswing. I just get tired of the I’m too straight and am getting pulled unfairly argument. It sets a bad precedent. I think more people are borderline than you think, and a few of us just that I know of have been playing on the PGA Tour since 2015 and never had an issue until TGC19. I've had 3 different DS4's that have showed up as borderline now, 2 brand new, 1 not. And 1 was back at the very start of the game. I'm not saying unfairly, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do really at this point. I tried the USB/BT stuff but nothing changed there. I can't imagine how the system would change anything and I play on hardwire with fiber internet. The pulling the club back thing is a really old issue dating back to TGC1 that people have had. I had a friend deal with it recently, so I don't really know what that's about. But either way, I'm done buying new controllers so now it's just either keep playing normal and hope I don't pass the line or purposely mess up my swing at times to avoid the API which just feels dishonest. My only point was API never pulled normal input on TGC1 or TGC2 as fas as I ever heard, 19 clearly changed something and is just another way the game is failing with swing mechanics. A-men, my brother. It (the TGC!9 swing mechanic) has/had good intentions structurally, but it also gave up too many ways to take advantage as well.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Mar 11, 2020 1:19:51 GMT -5
I've been pulled twice this season and the admins have said my round looked normal but my putts were considered "too straight". I'm playing the game as Duke described up above (how the game wants you to play) and both pulls were with different controllers as well. I've talked to the admins and neither of us have any clue what the problem is. I don't know how any of it works but that's my two cents. I’m not saying anybody is doing it on purpose, but something is not right. Maybe a fraud controller, usb vs Bluetooth connection, internet issues, who knows but I would bet something is off. You can’t just blame the API if you are getting multiple pulls is all. I play with a group of PGA (WT) players who have 1000’s of round on tour and there have been 3-4 pulls over 3 seasons. All were controller issues. Being a great player and making straight swing lines are not as correlated as you think. Guys who can make straighter lines benefit but planning shots, managing winds, reading putts, escaping trouble around the greens, controlling tempo, and managing the course are at least 80% of success at every level. Guys in lower tours get api pulled all the time without shooting pga level scores. Just because you and good players you know haven’t been pulled doesn’t mean it’s not possible for others to be at risk without a controller malfunction. Whatever happened in previous games doesn’t really matter. It is not just Tyler, you have Brad and other people who were successful without api issues in previous games who also suddenly had issues when this one came out. In the end people will have to find a way to adjust, but this constant insistence that it can’t be their swing isn’t helpful.
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Post by theduke21 on Mar 11, 2020 3:01:28 GMT -5
I’m not saying anybody is doing it on purpose, but something is not right. Maybe a fraud controller, usb vs Bluetooth connection, internet issues, who knows but I would bet something is off. You can’t just blame the API if you are getting multiple pulls is all. I play with a group of PGA (WT) players who have 1000’s of round on tour and there have been 3-4 pulls over 3 seasons. All were controller issues. Being a great player and making straight swing lines are not as correlated as you think. Guys who can make straighter lines benefit but planning shots, managing winds, reading putts, escaping trouble around the greens, controlling tempo, and managing the course are at least 80% of success at every level. Guys in lower tours get api pulled all the time without shooting pga level scores. Just because you and good players you know haven’t been pulled doesn’t mean it’s not possible for others to be at risk without a controller malfunction. Whatever happened in previous games doesn’t really matter. It is not just Tyler, you have Brad and other people who were successful without api issues in previous games who also suddenly had issues when this one came out. In the end people will have to find a way to adjust, but this constant insistence that it can’t be their swing isn’t helpful. Yep, this is all completely spot on. And now I'm in this vicious circle of life where the way to adjust is push/pull swinging. Because I really don't know how to avoid hitting it straight on my current controllers without just creating a sharp line one way or the other at the top. Ideally I could find a controller that produces some curvy lines through the bottom and middle. I had one that did that which I used for the first year of the game basically, but it's the one that stopped swinging the club back and I had to trash it. Now I've had three straight that are a ruler back and through. I wish Target would let me come test out all their controllers so I could find one that's a bit wonky but still consistent lol.
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Post by GW_Hope on Mar 11, 2020 5:13:37 GMT -5
I’m not saying anybody is doing it on purpose, but something is not right. Maybe a fraud controller, usb vs Bluetooth connection, internet issues, who knows but I would bet something is off. You can’t just blame the API if you are getting multiple pulls is all. I play with a group of PGA (WT) players who have 1000’s of round on tour and there have been 3-4 pulls over 3 seasons. All were controller issues. Being a great player and making straight swing lines are not as correlated as you think. Guys who can make straighter lines benefit but planning shots, managing winds, reading putts, escaping trouble around the greens, controlling tempo, and managing the course are at least 80% of success at every level. Guys in lower tours get api pulled all the time without shooting pga level scores. Just because you and good players you know haven’t been pulled doesn’t mean it’s not possible for others to be at risk without a controller malfunction. Whatever happened in previous games doesn’t really matter. It is not just Tyler, you have Brad and other people who were successful without api issues in previous games who also suddenly had issues when this one came out. In the end people will have to find a way to adjust, but this constant insistence that it can’t be their swing isn’t helpful. You just made my point. Thanks. Brad and some others had a flick swing that gave unfair results in this game so they had to change. I don’t blame or accuse them of any wrong doing. Something is not right is all. You can’t go on blaming the API. . Or as another ex-player said maybe you guys have magic thumbs? The timing of this is odd to me, so admin make a new policy to stop excessive pushes to even the game up and now this attack on the API being unfair to straight swings . The pushers couldn’t wait to jump on board that bandwagon. You know what, just forget it. This whole place is toxic.
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 11, 2020 6:23:29 GMT -5
Being a great player and making straight swing lines are not as correlated as you think. Guys who can make straighter lines benefit but planning shots, managing winds, reading putts, escaping trouble around the greens, controlling tempo, and managing the course are at least 80% of success at every level. Guys in lower tours get api pulled all the time without shooting pga level scores. Just because you and good players you know haven’t been pulled doesn’t mean it’s not possible for others to be at risk without a controller malfunction. Whatever happened in previous games doesn’t really matter. It is not just Tyler, you have Brad and other people who were successful without api issues in previous games who also suddenly had issues when this one came out. In the end people will have to find a way to adjust, but this constant insistence that it can’t be their swing isn’t helpful. Yep, this is all completely spot on. And now I'm in this vicious circle of life where the way to adjust is push/pull swinging. Because I really don't know how to avoid hitting it straight on my current controllers without just creating a sharp line one way or the other at the top. Ideally I could find a controller that produces some curvy lines through the bottom and middle. I had one that did that which I used for the first year of the game basically, but it's the one that stopped swinging the club back and I had to trash it. Now I've had three straight that are a ruler back and through. I wish Target would let me come test out all their controllers so I could find one that's a bit wonky but still consistent lol. I don't think anybody out there believes that the prerequisite for being a top player is to hit arrow straight lines (see Brad). We all know that. But it sure helps (see Vitaly, as an example. He's very straight!)... We all know that. No need to go into what makes a great player, as it's much more than the lines. Just as a point - now Brad can speak for himself, but his issues with this game, same as mine, were not a WTF moment, however annoying they seemed. They were very explainable, around a certain mechanic that caused repeatable results. So a change was in order. The "only an elite if you're pulled" is just a running joke There is something up... I'd have trouble believing that there's not something weird going on with the game itself, after everything we've found out since release... but there's something up. There's not one rule for all regards these fails, but something is up, surely. Tyler - regards your current situation: I bet if that old pad could've had the back swing issue fixed, you'd have been fine (the DS4 Mk2's, you fix it by playing wired - or at least that's my experience). With these new pads, I know how tight the springs can be from experience over the past couple I've had... I have a few that come out like lasers at times, but generally I have a reasonably mixed bag, and I've always been very straight (until my change). Now they do settle down / loosen up after a while, but that will depend on your play style, how hard you rap it on fasts etc. I have no idea about your technique. How hard you swing... whatever, but the answer isn't to try to hit sh%$ shots to get by surely to god? Happy to chat about it some time if it's bugging you / compare methods. You got any videos of you using that pad / how you swing? Might be something that someone could pick up on. Now this may seem a bizarre question, but what else do you do while playing your rounds? Do you play Spotify on PS4 for example? With Urge getting 2 pulls regards his putting, surely, surely that is the putting technique specifically when the rest of his play passes? Why? How? Who knows, not sure if Urge tried to play a fuller putting stroke, or a shorter one... putting is a weird one to get multiple pulls for, that's for sure, and hitting wonky putts is just as backward as intentionally hitting bad shots... but maybe some variation in the method could see him safe. Who knows. All in - Something is reporting back robotic results to the API, far beyond what any of the rest of the tours are capable of producing. I don't believe that you've all got Looper's magic thumbs, but what it is, is a bit of a mystery.
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Post by theduke21 on Mar 11, 2020 6:37:52 GMT -5
Yeah I wish I had more old controllers but I traded in around 10 of them last year to cover the full price of a Scuf that I use for all my shooting games.
So my new controllers are staying in top shape because they’re really only used for TGC now that 2K and Madden are out of season for me. I though my older (December) controller had started to loosen up after that original pull and I went over a month okay but Jeff told me I was still borderline most weeks.
I think I have a video posted here way back of my swinging technique and it seemed then it was a fairly common technique. I use my index finger as a bit of a guide on the top of the stick and use my thumb on the bottom portion of the stick for the full swing. I guess you could call it the claw grip since i’m guessing it’d be the natural swing for someone who played claw on controller growing up in CoD days. Very much a push swing instead of a flick so I’ve never seen any type of short swings on all of TGC19 which is what makes my pulls surprising. I go right to the top of the line.
My putts have also been pulled which is less surprising to me. I have really slow tempo on my putts and I don’t accelerate on them much at all so I imagine I have a really short line on them. I’ve tried working on it and I may as well as my current putting stroke is producing awful results anyways lol.
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Post by theduke21 on Mar 11, 2020 6:55:25 GMT -5
Yep, this is all completely spot on. And now I'm in this vicious circle of life where the way to adjust is push/pull swinging. Because I really don't know how to avoid hitting it straight on my current controllers without just creating a sharp line one way or the other at the top. Ideally I could find a controller that produces some curvy lines through the bottom and middle. I had one that did that which I used for the first year of the game basically, but it's the one that stopped swinging the club back and I had to trash it. Now I've had three straight that are a ruler back and through. I wish Target would let me come test out all their controllers so I could find one that's a bit wonky but still consistent lol. I don't think anybody out there believes that the prerequisite for being a top player is to hit arrow straight lines (see Brad). We all know that. But it sure helps (see Vitaly, as an example. He's very straight!)... We all know that. No need to go into what makes a great player, as it's much more than the lines. Just as a point - now Brad can speak for himself, but his issues with this game, same as mine, were not a WTF moment, however annoying they seemed. They were very explainable, around a certain mechanic that caused repeatable results. So a change was in order. The "only an elite if you're pulled" is just a running joke There is something up... I'd have trouble believing that there's not something weird going on with the game itself, after everything we've found out since release... but there's something up. There's not one rule for all regards these fails, but something is up, surely. Tyler - regards your current situation: I bet if that old pad could've had the back swing issue fixed, you'd have been fine (the DS4 Mk2's, you fix it by playing wired - or at least that's my experience). With these new pads, I know how tight the springs can be from experience over the past couple I've had... I have a few that come out like lasers at times, but generally I have a reasonably mixed bag, and I've always been very straight (until my change). Now they do settle down / loosen up after a while, but that will depend on your play style, how hard you rap it on fasts etc. I have no idea about your technique. How hard you swing... whatever, but the answer isn't to try to hit sh%$ shots to get by surely to god? Happy to chat about it some time if it's bugging you / compare methods. You got any videos of you using that pad / how you swing? Might be something that someone could pick up on. Now this may seem a bizarre question, but what else do you do while playing your rounds? Do you play Spotify on PS4 for example? With Urge getting 2 pulls regards his putting, surely, surely that is the putting technique specifically when the rest of his play passes? Why? How? Who knows, not sure if Urge tried to play a fuller putting stroke, or a shorter one... putting is a weird one to get multiple pulls for, that's for sure, and hitting wonky putts is just as backward as intentionally hitting bad shots... but maybe some variation in the method could see him safe. Who knows. All in - Something is reporting back robotic results to the API, far beyond what any of the rest of the tours are capable of producing. I don't believe that you've all got Looper's magic thumbs, but what it is, is a bit of a mystery. As for Spotify or anything else, I very rarely have it on while playing. Typically in a party with a friend or two during tourney rounds. Recently have had to completely stop using live ghosts or old ghost balls while I play because of stuttering and lag spikes as they hit a shot if that counts for anything. Maybe I need to give the game a reinstall lol. But like I’ve said the most puzzling part for me is nothing to my naked eye looks different recently. My lines look the same as they did during the opening qualifying tournament to the masters last year to now. I’ve probably used 4 or 5 controller during that timespan. So I have no clue what I even need to be looking for or watching out for in regards to it. And I’m definitely not trying to turn it into a “I’m straighter than anyone else” thing. As I know there are others who are in my boat. And regardless of how straight I am, it doesn’t matter at all since I can’t putt. But if I’ve tried multiple controllers, have a full line and swing the stick with my hand, I’m running out of ideas lol. Glad you mentioned Vitaly though as his lines really look exactly like mine when I’ve watched his videos. His straight ones are like mine and his offline ones look the same. I am curious if he’s at that same borderline that I am most weeks.
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 11, 2020 7:30:20 GMT -5
You’re very much like me in regards controller use - I only play TGCT with a DS4, unless I’m having a tap about with the eldest on Rayman or something as the DS4 is a better sized for her, and even then, we’ve specific controllers for that!
The TGC controller shall not be defiled!
Everything else I use a Razer for. I got sick of destroying pads on Destiny... but having said that, I’ve just gone onto my second brand new DS4, used only for this damn game since TGC2019 came out.
Admittedly, it’s not broken, but I can’t hit a straight putt with it, so it’s been retired to the “kids” shelf.
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 11, 2020 7:43:46 GMT -5
Regards Vitaly - just had a look at his R1 this week... Great playing by the way wmr5277 . Very fast too... 18 minute round with a spell in the menu. To my eye, there is no way that round is borderline... There's plenty of variation, but of a good swing. I might be wrong however. Some other rounds I've seen I would say must be close, but again, without seeing the data, you'd never really know. What looks dead straight to us, can and will have variation in most instances when it's scraped from the server.
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Post by GW_Hope on Mar 11, 2020 8:55:08 GMT -5
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Mar 11, 2020 9:10:25 GMT -5
You’re very much like me in regards controller use - I only play TGCT with a DS4, unless I’m having a tap about with the eldest on Rayman or something as the DS4 is a better sized for her, and even then, we’ve specific controllers for that! The TGC controller shall not be defiled! Everything else I use a Razer for. I got sick of destroying pads on Destiny... but having said that, I’ve just gone onto my second brand new DS4, used only for this damn game since TGC2019 came out. Admittedly, it’s not broken, but I can’t hit a straight putt with it, so it’s been retired to the “kids” shelf.
Maybe the solution is a TGCT controller exchange program where people trade controllers that the can't pass the API with to people who have controllers they can't hit a straight line with
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Post by GW_Hope on Mar 11, 2020 9:11:57 GMT -5
You’re very much like me in regards controller use - I only play TGCT with a DS4, unless I’m having a tap about with the eldest on Rayman or something as the DS4 is a better sized for her, and even then, we’ve specific controllers for that! The TGC controller shall not be defiled! Everything else I use a Razer for. I got sick of destroying pads on Destiny... but having said that, I’ve just gone onto my second brand new DS4, used only for this damn game since TGC2019 came out. Admittedly, it’s not broken, but I can’t hit a straight putt with it, so it’s been retired to the “kids” shelf.
Maybe the solution is a TGCT controller exchange program where people trade controllers that the can't pass the API with to people who have controllers they can't hit a straight line with
i have a few bad tempo ones to trade
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 11, 2020 9:14:56 GMT -5
You’re very much like me in regards controller use - I only play TGCT with a DS4, unless I’m having a tap about with the eldest on Rayman or something as the DS4 is a better sized for her, and even then, we’ve specific controllers for that! The TGC controller shall not be defiled! Everything else I use a Razer for. I got sick of destroying pads on Destiny... but having said that, I’ve just gone onto my second brand new DS4, used only for this damn game since TGC2019 came out. Admittedly, it’s not broken, but I can’t hit a straight putt with it, so it’s been retired to the “kids” shelf.
Maybe the solution is a TGCT controller exchange program where people trade controllers that the can't pass the API with to people who have controllers they can't hit a straight line with
I like that ☝️ I’d love to see someone have a full swing and come close to failing the API with the one I’ve just finished with 😂
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