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Post by alexandre on Mar 12, 2020 10:05:52 GMT -5
I imagine that feedback is the showcase of the shot. See the cone, whether the shot is straight or crooked. This is?
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 12, 2020 10:06:59 GMT -5
"I turned off the feedback" - Is it a button in the settings or a metaphor? I played countless games without knowing that there was a button pointing the correct distance from the flag... Feedback is a button? what is the function? Hi Alexandre, You can play the game with the swing feedback disabled. It's in the game play options, in the settings menu. It's a personal preference I quite enjoyed playing with no feedback when I tried it, but at the time, I was working hard to get full lines, so I turned the feedback back on, to be sure. I also like to have certainty with the tempo feedback, more than the actual "lines" displayed, so I found the feedback helped, rather than hindered me.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Mar 12, 2020 11:32:48 GMT -5
Show the past few other months. Show the entire picture not just what fits your narrative. This is why you're annoying. You think you know it all but you don't know jack. OUR narrative was with the feedback turned off... so that’s what I posted. You said I wasn’t speaking the truth, but I was... In PGA, your best finish since you “came clean” the week that you “won”, was actually last week, and your average finishing position over the last 4 weeks is actually better than any other 4 week period since the “coming clean”... so yes, you are getting better with the feedback off... Christ. Maybe I’m making it all up: psssst... I’m not. No need to throw your toys out of the pram, just maybe don’t try making out I have no idea what I’m talking about, when it seems that I do. To anybody else in this thread - apologies for the diversion. You're either really obtuse or...No I think obtuse fits you perfectly. And again. Just because you say something is so; doesn't make it..no matter how many of your minions I can count on one hand that have their heads stuck up so far your arse that they believe every little word you spew is gospel. Edit: And I'm not looking for you to comment on my every post like you do. I don't want to hear from you. Edit: Your logic is flawed.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Mar 12, 2020 11:34:03 GMT -5
I noticed the upturn in said players form last week (Three Missed cuts in January to Two wins in Feb/Early march).
Whilst I think in his case it almost certainly is a result of "mastering the push" (there's plenty of evidence that's the case)
I don't really think it's always right to use people's improvement as a stick to beat them with. After all, the whole point of TGCT is to improve so you can reach the top level.
I mean, right now I've missed 4 cuts in 6 events. I'm practicing a lot to remedy that. If i somehow pull it all together and finish really high next week and have a good month does that automatically make me worthy of suspicion? Dangerous road to go down IMO My post was about how this should be added to the Fair Play Policy and I used results from a user that posted in a public forum about an exploit in the swing. We all know how the copycat thing has gone for flicking, so it would be inevitable for this to spread as well. I could have used another user or three, but using the source of what would likely have been a jump in this being used seemed the place to go.
If you post a video that demonstrably shows using a questionable/known method for shortcutting AND your results have improved, then yes, Jack I would be suspicious.
Again, my post is more about trying to point out to those that feel vilified about something they have always done. Many early flickers had the exact same thing happen to them when TGC2019 dropped. Most adapted and changed their swing. I am trying to point out not only the obvious advantages there is over the field but also that this isn't the first time in this game that using a certain swing method can bump you near or into API failing territory.
Perhaps a little chart in reactions to better illustrate:
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Mar 12, 2020 11:44:07 GMT -5
I noticed the upturn in said players form last week (Three Missed cuts in January to Two wins in Feb/Early march).
Whilst I think in his case it almost certainly is a result of "mastering the push" (there's plenty of evidence that's the case)
I don't really think it's always right to use people's improvement as a stick to beat them with. After all, the whole point of TGCT is to improve so you can reach the top level.
I mean, right now I've missed 4 cuts in 6 events. I'm practicing a lot to remedy that. If i somehow pull it all together and finish really high next week and have a good month does that automatically make me worthy of suspicion? Dangerous road to go down IMO My post was about how this should be added to the Fair Play Policy and I used results from a user that posted in a public forum about an exploit in the swing. We all know how the copycat thing has gone for flicking, so it would be inevitable for this to spread as well. I could have used another user or three, but using the source of what would likely have been a jump in this being used seemed the place to go.
If you post a video that demonstrably shows using a questionable/known method for shortcutting AND your results have improved, then yes, Jack I would be suspicious.
Again, my post is more about trying to point out to those that feel vilified about something they have always done. Many early flickers had the exact same thing happen to them when TGC2019 dropped. Most adapted and changed their swing. I am trying to point out not only the obvious advantages there is over the field but also that this isn't the first time in this game that using a certain swing method can bump you near or into API failing territory.
Perhaps a little chart in reactions to better illustrate:
Like I said Bob, in this case it's perfectly clear that was (at least partially) responsible to the upturn in results.
Merely stating that an upturn on results by itself shouldn't be reason to suspect someone.
Not saying you or anyone else is doing that in this thread. But I have seen it plenty of times before when an unfamiliar name appears on the leaderboards and automatically suspected of foul play by some people, without any evidence of any of the other stuff this player had against them.
It's a tangential (perhaps irrelevant) point, but worth making.
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Post by CuseHokie on Mar 12, 2020 12:27:29 GMT -5
An improvement is missing 4 of 5 cuts to making 4 of 5 cuts. Or making every cut to 2 top10s in 5.
Winning back to back is much more than an improvement. Something doesn’t smell right. But we still have those convinced against their will.
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Post by titan30003 on Mar 12, 2020 13:10:44 GMT -5
Regarding Adam, as Fadge has pointed out, the switch from Xbox to PC was a major reason for his improvement. If you watch from months ago, when he wasn't getting tempo issues, he would shoot very low scores. He was ranked 2nd on the Xbox world rankings, so I don't think it's a stretch to imaging that he is a top 10 player overall in pure skill when you remove the console difference (maybe that will change after his swing change, I don't know. But all the other aspects of his game are very good). He was using the push the whole time, and to my eye he hasn't just only now mastered it, he's had it mastered for a while. To me, all this (by this I mean Adam's improvement) is showing is how much of a disadvantage people on the Xbox are. But maybe you're right, and only just mastered the swing, but given his improvement happened at the exact time he made the switch, it seems that's a much better explanation.
I do think the push is a major advantage though, and I'm very happy with the new policy.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Mar 12, 2020 15:23:05 GMT -5
Again. Just because you say something doesn't make it so. I actually haven't been getting better since I turned off the feedback. But I enjoy the game more. PGA last 4 weeks: 26, 21, 15, 8... TST last 4 weeks: 25, DNP, 30, 8... I’d say that’s an improvement with the sample size of the last 4 weeks. If you continue the trend you’ll be top 5 again in no time. The above is true as it is the truth, not just because I said it. I’m glad you enjoy it more. That’s what we’re here to do 👍 Now I know you'd be satisfied with top 30s or whatever but not me. I play to win. And I expect to win. I have the game to "legit" win. Laugh all you want but this game is mostly mental.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Mar 12, 2020 16:08:18 GMT -5
I certainly enjoy James' posting. It is great to have someone who can both not take themselves too seriously and also challenge the groupthink that a lot of people here tend to fall into.
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 12, 2020 16:23:07 GMT -5
OUR narrative was with the feedback turned off... so that’s what I posted. You said I wasn’t speaking the truth, but I was... In PGA, your best finish since you “came clean” the week that you “won”, was actually last week, and your average finishing position over the last 4 weeks is actually better than any other 4 week period since the “coming clean”... so yes, you are getting better with the feedback off... Christ. Maybe I’m making it all up: psssst... I’m not. No need to throw your toys out of the pram, just maybe don’t try making out I have no idea what I’m talking about, when it seems that I do. To anybody else in this thread - apologies for the diversion. You're either really obtuse or...No I think obtuse fits you perfectly. And again. Just because you say something is so; doesn't make it..no matter how many of your minions I can count on one hand that have their heads stuck up so far your arse that they believe every little word you spew is gospel. Edit: And I'm not looking for you to comment on my every post like you do. I don't want to hear from you. Edit: Your logic is flawed. Dear me James... how can you argue with results? I’m saying what is undeniably the truth. Your last 4 weeks on PGA are a better finishing position average than any previous 4 week period since your “cleansing”. That cannot be questioned. It is very simple maths. No flaws in the logic whatsoever, unless you are now questioning the very principles of basic mathematics. So, since you turned off the feedback, you are doing better. Well done 👍 No need to get nasty about it.
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Post by rcknfrewld on Mar 12, 2020 16:33:24 GMT -5
You're either really obtuse or...No I think obtuse fits you perfectly. And again. Just because you say something is so; doesn't make it..no matter how many of your minions I can count on one hand that have their heads stuck up so far your arse that they believe every little word you spew is gospel. Edit: And I'm not looking for you to comment on my every post like you do. I don't want to hear from you. Edit: Your logic is flawed. Dear me James... how can you argue with results? I’m saying what is undeniably the truth. Your last 4 weeks on PGA are a better finishing position average than any previous 4 week period since your “cleansing”. That cannot be questioned. It is very simple maths. No flaws in the logic whatsoever, unless you are now questioning the very principles of basic mathematics. So, since you turned off the feedback, you are doing better. Well done 👍 No need to get nasty about it. Again. Your logic is flawed. Feedback being off is just one component among several. Mood has a lot to do with how I play. I actually have been getting laid and have a girlfriend. That has more of an impact than swing feedback. It's not as black & white as you portyray it. And you make snide comments insinuating I'm cheating by having feedback off. I'd prefer you just call me a cheater like you did last time in here. And I streamed for awhile with feedback on and just lost interest in it because nobody cares if you're playing the right way. And also keep in mind I've been adjusting for months? now hitting the plastic. I go through good streaks and bad. Judging me on four weeks is not a good sample size and again. Your logic of saying I'm improving is flawed.
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 12, 2020 16:36:00 GMT -5
PGA last 4 weeks: 26, 21, 15, 8... TST last 4 weeks: 25, DNP, 30, 8... I’d say that’s an improvement with the sample size of the last 4 weeks. If you continue the trend you’ll be top 5 again in no time. The above is true as it is the truth, not just because I said it. I’m glad you enjoy it more. That’s what we’re here to do 👍 Now I know you'd be satisfied with top 30s or whatever but not me. I play to win. And I expect to win. I have the game to "legit" win. Laugh all you want but this game is mostly mental. Nah, top 30s doesn’t keep me happy James, but I’ve plenty else going on in my life to keep that from consuming me. I want to win, have the game over a couple of rounds to challenge, but ultimately shoot myself on the foot. Always the bridesmaid... You had the game to win on PGA when you were a flicker, and you famously flicked your way to victory. When, sorry if you legit win, you can then substantiate that rather bold claim regards your talents. Until then, us mere mortals will have to stand back and admire your modesty. I’m really not sure why you have this personal war with me, but rest assured, I’ll always be prepared to talk to you throughout it.
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 12, 2020 16:39:32 GMT -5
Dear me James... how can you argue with results? I’m saying what is undeniably the truth. Your last 4 weeks on PGA are a better finishing position average than any previous 4 week period since your “cleansing”. That cannot be questioned. It is very simple maths. No flaws in the logic whatsoever, unless you are now questioning the very principles of basic mathematics. So, since you turned off the feedback, you are doing better. Well done 👍 No need to get nasty about it. Again. Your logic is flawed. Feedback being off is just one component among several. Mood has a lot to do with how I play. I actually have been getting laid and have a girlfriend. That has more of an impact than swing feedback. It's not as black & white as you portyray it. And you make snide comments insinuating I'm cheating by having feedback off. I'd prefer you just call me a cheater like you did last time in here. And I streamed for awhile with feedback on and just lost interest in it because nobody cares if you're playing the right way. I’m not insinuating anything for gods sake... I played society golf with the feedback off for a bit and couldn’t be sure I wasn’t getting a bit flicky. All I’m saying is, it’d be easy to fall back into your old habits if you’re not careful, but as I said a long way back, as long as you pass the API, who cares? Best of luck with it 🙂
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Post by rcknfrewld on Mar 12, 2020 16:40:23 GMT -5
Now I know you'd be satisfied with top 30s or whatever but not me. I play to win. And I expect to win. I have the game to "legit" win. Laugh all you want but this game is mostly mental. Nah, top 30s doesn’t keep me happy James, but I’ve plenty else going on in my life to keep that from consuming me. I want to win, have the game over a couple of rounds to challenge, but ultimately shoot myself on the foot. Always the bridesmaid... You had the game to win on PGA when you were a flicker, and you famously flicked your way to victory. When, sorry if you legit win, you can then substantiate that rather bold claim regards your talents. Until then, us mere mortals will have to stand back and admire your modesty. I’m really not sure why you have this personal war with me, but rest assured, I’ll always be prepared to talk to you throughout it. I never come in here humble bragging about my scores or quite frankly reveal my scores Well except for that one time with crawsey but that was for a reason. It's obnoxious to do so.
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Post by wmr5277 on Mar 12, 2020 16:50:34 GMT -5
I noticed the upturn in said players form last week (Three Missed cuts in January to Two wins in Feb/Early march).
Whilst I think in his case it almost certainly is a result of "mastering the push" (there's plenty of evidence that's the case)
I don't really think it's always right to use people's improvement as a stick to beat them with. After all, the whole point of TGCT is to improve so you can reach the top level.
I mean, right now I've missed 4 cuts in 6 events. I'm practicing a lot to remedy that. If i somehow pull it all together and finish really high next week and have a good month does that automatically make me worthy of suspicion? Dangerous road to go down IMO
11 hours ago AFCTUJacko said:
Like I said Bob, in this case it's perfectly clear that was (at least partially) responsible to the upturn in results.
Merely stating that an upturn on results by itself shouldn't be reason to suspect someone.
Not saying you or anyone else is doing that in this thread. But I have seen it plenty of times before when an unfamiliar name appears on the leaderboards and automatically suspected of foul play by some people, without any evidence of any of the other stuff this player had against them.
It's a tangential (perhaps irrelevant) point, but worth making. -------------------------------- Mr. Jack Oliver,- I have put both your responses above; instead of quoting you twice....and I am only responding to your points that I under-lined above.... I pretty much agree with you 100% on everything I have under-lined. Well said. About time someone noted this. Especially a guy who has been around for a long time. (it says you joined in 2014) I will say, it is indeed a dangerous road to go down....but we have already gone down that road you mention above sadly. The minute someone comes in and has success, who is new.....whether they switch platforms, joined 2 days ago, 2 weeks ago, 2 months ago or 2 years ago... Unfortunately, there is a very small group of folks on these forums who just can't fathom anyone 'new' or 'new-ish' having success. Wasn't everyone a new player at some point? So we run around this tedious merry-go-round and just repeat the same thing over and over and over again every week. And some wonder why more players don't post in these forums...Really? I'd love to see the day that players worry about working on their own games instead of always flooding the forums and finding faults with other people who beat them. Yes, the game is flawed...but have some humility. When someone beats me...whether it's by 1 shot or 10 shots...I just need to play better. End of story. Which is why recently; I usually try to congratulate the winners. I know how tough it is to win each week. Regarding players all of a sudden improving (whether it's a little or a lot)...no need to over-complicate things here...here's a secret...spread the word......... .......................................................................... If you putt like a filthy animal from 8 to 25 feet in a tournament...you will finish near/at the top of the leaderboard... If you don't...you will not finish in the top 3. Assuming my tempo is similar...the only difference on when I finish 2nd or 24th is putting. The difference is usually only about 8-12 shots in those 22 spots difference on the leaderboard. Which is 2 to 3 shots per round. Think of how many times you lip out a chip or burn the edge on a 11 and 16 foot putt each round. Seriously....just think about that for a second. In my opinion getting a win = It's 75% a person's putting performance, 5% their ability to hole chips/flops/pitches/scrambling for pars just about everytime when they do miss greens, 10% playing the wind, the loft box correctly, the lie, the lie %, where to land ball on green utilizing slopes and 10% them managing tempo better then most of the field. Why can't someone get hot with the putter for a couple weeks and compete for a win? Or even get the win? Yet all we talk about is people's ball-striking...and thinking someone wins because of how they lofted a 3 iron.... And completely ignore the short game as if it doesn't exist. I just can't comprehend it.
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