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Post by Doyley on Mar 11, 2020 15:29:37 GMT -5
Tim is planning to get to this next week - Can't say with 100% certainty, but play with the assumption your rounds will be Fair Play checked with the new metric at some point during the week of the Valspar Championship.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Mar 12, 2020 0:47:04 GMT -5
I just now looked at something, and since the "other" thread got locked I found this the best place to post this to those that do not think that the push/pull thing isn't an advantage. Look at the results jump here and please explain away that this user had an "A-Ha!" moment in late January of this year. This is a flaw in the HB swing model being taken advantage of. Advantages like this should not be allowed here at TGCTours. Results - sudden surgeSince I am using results based information, I will fully point towards my own results and my past full use of the flick swing after some explanations, etc. I, just like some other members using both the flick swing AND the push/pull method at the outset of TGC2019, had always used this method in the past. I even fought against pushback that others here correctly gave me in the past. Once I saw that there was an issue with the swing (it wasn't defined fully until just afterwards) for a few members and a week delay in the 2018 Ryder Cup immediately after the switch to TGC2019 I made a decision. I would keep playing my flick swing until I got an API pull otherwise I had no basis of "truly" knowing if I was really gaming the system. Again, I fought against opinions here during this time. In hindsight, this was the wrong decision and I should have tried to fix/change my swing right away. I had good results on the PGA which culminated in a win in January 2019. The week after the Masters last year I got my API pull. I took 4 weeks off to work on my swing and for an unrelated outside reason. I would give you my results history to show you the opposite, and less glorious history of playing with a conscience: 2019: My API pull was in the 04/15/2019 week. Look at results before and after here. 2020: Further evidence (results based are flawed, but you can still see the pattern) when compared to when using an advantage here.
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 12, 2020 2:11:40 GMT -5
I just now looked at something, and since the "other" thread got locked I found this the best place to post this to those that do not think that the push/pull thing isn't an advantage. Look at the results jump here and please explain away that this user had an "A-Ha!" moment in late January of this year. This is a flaw in the HB swing model being taken advantage of. Advantages like this should not be allowed here at TGCTours. Results - sudden surgeSince I am using results based information, I will fully point towards my own results and my past full use of the flick swing after some explanations, etc. I, just like some other members using both the flick swing AND the push/pull method at the outset of TGC2019, had always used this method in the past. I even fought against pushback that others here correctly gave me in the past. Once I saw that there was an issue with the swing (it wasn't defined fully until just afterwards) for a few members and a week delay in the 2018 Ryder Cup immediately after the switch to TGC2019 I made a decision. I would keep playing my flick swing until I got an API pull otherwise I had no basis of "truly" knowing if I was really gaming the system. Again, I fought against opinions here during this time. In hindsight, this was the wrong decision and I should have tried to fix/change my swing right away. I had good results on the PGA which culminated in a win in January 2019. The week after the Masters last year I got my API pull. I took 4 weeks off to work on my swing and for an unrelated outside reason. I would give you my results history to show you the opposite, and less glorious history of playing with a conscience: 2019: My API pull was in the 04/15/2019 week. Look at results before and after here. 2020: Further evidence (results based are flawed, but you can still see the pattern) when compared to when using an advantage here. Hi Bob, I think Adam might have switched to PC late Jan this year, but may have always played the push. [edit] if this wasn’t clear from my above statement, I think Adam’s uptick comes from moving from Xbox to PC. The fact he won twice in the exact period that we highlighted how big a flaw this push thing is might be related, but I think he’d have been there or thereabouts regardless. [/edit]Looks to me like he’s trying to erase it from his game based on his Twitch play, but still comes out in pressure situations / pitches. Hopefully he can work it to a point that admin don’t flag it as an advantage. Full respect to you for recognising and addressing your swing issues, and sorry if it seemed like I or anyone else got on your case at the time. Wonder where Crawesy would be if he had your moral compass 🙄
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Post by GW_Hope on Mar 12, 2020 2:11:47 GMT -5
Bob, you were an original so there is no blame on you. The adopters are another story. You and many others deserve kudos and commendation for recognizing the issue and adjusting instead of manipulating the data like others I won’t mention. Thank you!
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Mar 12, 2020 4:29:39 GMT -5
I noticed the upturn in said players form last week (Three Missed cuts in January to Two wins in Feb/Early march).
Whilst I think in his case it almost certainly is a result of "mastering the push" (there's plenty of evidence that's the case)
I don't really think it's always right to use people's improvement as a stick to beat them with. After all, the whole point of TGCT is to improve so you can reach the top level.
I mean, right now I've missed 4 cuts in 6 events. I'm practicing a lot to remedy that. If i somehow pull it all together and finish really high next week and have a good month does that automatically make me worthy of suspicion? Dangerous road to go down IMO
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Post by rcknfrewld on Mar 12, 2020 5:19:55 GMT -5
I think the next logical step is for you maniacs to conduct trials like how Senator McCarthy did back then to all the people he suspected of communism. And if that doesn't get the results you want, you can drown all the suspected tour card carrying members and see if they float or not for proof of innocence like how they did to witches back in the day.
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 12, 2020 5:28:12 GMT -5
Please try not to be too dramatic James.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Mar 12, 2020 5:38:14 GMT -5
I think the next logical step is for you maniacs to conduct trials like how Senator McCarthy did back then to all the people he suspected of communism. And if that doesn't get the results you want, you can drown all the suspected tour card carrying members and see if they float or not for proof of innocence like how they did to witches back in the day. Sounds good to me. I think what counts to the admins are those people who don't use exploits, try to score well by playing the game how it should be played, and have to watch great scores coming in from players who do use them. In their shoes I wouldn't care one bit about exploiters who whinge about how their push swings are the way they've always played, how it's a witchhunt, they aren't doing anything wrong blah blah. What matters or at least should matter are the honest players. There will be good or potentially good players who will not now join the tours because they will believe the place is full of cheats, and who can blame them?
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Post by rcknfrewld on Mar 12, 2020 5:44:09 GMT -5
Please try not to be too dramatic James. Oh, I'm the one being dramatic? Lol.
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 12, 2020 5:52:04 GMT -5
Please try not to be too dramatic James. Oh, I'm the one being dramatic? Lol. I'm quite certain that I rarely dramatise a situation, particularly when we're debating (or at least some of us are) about something quite important to the community. I feel that I usually answer with some consideration to the question at hand... Might not be what people want to hear, but my views are my own, and I'm entitled to them. I'll happily throw a few memes at folk when the API alarms continue to go off, if that's what you're getting at, as I know you don't like that? Maybe, however, I'm travelling on another plane entirely and I really am a big drama queen... Who knows, or more importantly, cares?
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Post by CuseHokie on Mar 12, 2020 6:00:39 GMT -5
RFW is like our version of a late night comedian. He has snark remarks targeted at any side so you really have no clear understanding what if anything he stands for other than maybe some sort of comedic angle?
He had a very loud public feud with Crawesy89 - but then he himself was and maybe still is a flicker. Somehow he has a major beef with Fadge for bringing to light all the people that get flagged - that without this data, we would be completely blind as to who has been gaming the system for the past year.
James - what is your perfect world for TGC? I’ll hang up and listen.
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Post by unclevirt on Mar 12, 2020 7:36:33 GMT -5
I don't mind the calling out of people who have received multiple pulls or aren't openly working on it. It's when they are first timers. Lord knows there are going to be a lot of people getting off next week when the new pulls come in To be fair, this is just an opinion and I will not be pursuing a debate.
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 12, 2020 8:01:07 GMT -5
First timers are rarely, if ever, directly named...Certainly not called out... I would hope that's understood, anyway.
I honestly hope nobody gets removed next week. If everyone is conforming to the admin guidelines, that's all we as a player base can expect or hope for.
This week, we're on track for a "clean week", the first time this year. Hopefully we can see it through.
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Post by alexandre on Mar 12, 2020 8:05:26 GMT -5
Sorry for the question, maybe unreadable, because I don't know English. Should the shots now be almost straight? can't they fluctuate? That's right??? After a long time playing, training, changing from PC (mouse) to PS4, I learned to hit a straight shot, but it was not allowed. I changed the technique, learned to hit (crooked), but at the time of the green I played straight (I thought it was possible) and was signaled. I started to shoot crookedly on the green and with great difficulty I adapted to the conditions. Now it can't even crooked I can't understand it and I don't know what it will be like from now on. I hope I don't understand the language and worry for nothing. once in a while i like to shoot the drive with the loft to the roof (he gains a few yards). But the blue line is tiny. To hit her, I have to shoot straight, right? But if it's straightforward, banishment ... Why not release free photos at once? The secret is the consistency in the shot !!! We all know !!! I believe that the game was designed so that only the best player shoots straight, if several do, congratulations. Bad is the shot being half straight, half crooked, within a certain space ... Sorry if I can't express it correctly, but it's the language issue. It may seem ridiculous, but I wanted a photo of the possible and the forbidden (although I think I understand what they want). After thousands of notes, there we go to change everything again ... Incredible. Note: Before you tell me: "If you are not satisfied, give up", know that this is not what I am going to do. I am happy to watch the best players, see the fields, the scores, the trophies, etc. The site is perfect, but the rules I think are bordering on excess. And the best will remain better. Don't swear at me, please !!!!!
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Post by fadgewacker on Mar 12, 2020 8:17:33 GMT -5
Sorry for the question, maybe unreadable, because I don't know English. Should the shots now be almost straight? can't they fluctuate? That's right??? After a long time playing, training, changing from PC (mouse) to PS4, I learned to hit a straight shot, but it was not allowed. I changed the technique, learned to hit (crooked), but at the time of the green I played straight (I thought it was possible) and was signaled. I started to shoot crookedly on the green and with great difficulty I adapted to the conditions. Now it can't even crooked I can't understand it and I don't know what it will be like from now on. I hope I don't understand the language and worry for nothing. once in a while i like to shoot the drive with the loft to the roof (he gains a few yards). But the blue line is tiny. To hit her, I have to shoot straight, right? But if it's straightforward, banishment ... Why not release free photos at once? The secret is the consistency in the shot !!! We all know !!! I believe that the game was designed so that only the best player shoots straight, if several do, congratulations. Bad is the shot being half straight, half crooked, within a certain space ... Sorry if I can't express it correctly, but it's the language issue. It may seem ridiculous, but I wanted a photo of the possible and the forbidden (although I think I understand what they want). After thousands of notes, there we go to change everything again ... Incredible. Note: Before you tell me: "If you are not satisfied, give up", know that this is not what I am going to do. I am happy to watch the best players, see the fields, the scores, the trophies, etc. The site is perfect, but the rules I think are bordering on excess. And the best will remain better. Don't swear at me, please !!!!! Hi Alexandre I'm sure admin could give an official explanation, of sorts, but in the mean time, and bearing in mind I do not understand your past issues: - This new metric will catch people that are consistently outside of the blue "cone / channel" as it has been proven to be more repeatable / accurate to aim with an offset, and play crooked on purpose.
- There are a some ways to "swing straight" that will cause problems... Mainly to swing with a short line... Please don't do that.
- Essentially, play the game with a full swing motion. Try to get full lines in the feedback. Try to get the feedback straight up and down the blue "cone / channel" as much as is possible, and I don't think that you will have any further problems.
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