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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Mar 6, 2015 12:21:23 GMT -5
I do gotta say this: (and prolly gunna get blasted for it, but ima big boy so its ok) If Doyley was actually doing what I think he was doing (jimgem too) then I think we should allow a pardon here and allow their scores. Doyley, on my screen, started playing the tourny around 10pm last night (give or take 30 minutes) leaving him plenty of time to finish if all he was doing was playing his rounds. But I think he was spot checking other players for us, i repeat, for us, and this was causing his slow play. So while trying to keep the playing field on a level field, he just didnt make it to the finish line in time for his own scores to be submitted in time, thats one hell of a sacrifice. I dont know what jimgem was doing, so i really can't say one way or the other. But if Doyley (and jimgem) were truely doing something that benefited us all and that kept him from making the time cut, only missing it by 20 minutes, I think we should all allow him a break this one time. I for one do not want to climb the rankings by handing out dq's in this manner, if it was just a random player like myself and the rest of us, who simply just missed the time line, then ya, the dq should and would stand, but I think we should have another look on this one here. I would hate to discourage the guys who make this place better for us when he was indeed doing just that. Taste your opinion and your argument has a very strong case , and I respect ur opinion , but I am sorry I have to respectfully disagree with yourself regarding there score being reinstated as Doyley has found time to play a NO AIDS tour round this week but not found enough time to play his 2 rounds for the WGC, if he had time to play this round then it could have been 1 of his first 2 rounds for the WGC , I also don't disagree with u on what work doyley and co do for the rest of us to enjoy this site and tournaments, that has never been in question, but when the site was founded they put rules in place for ALL players to abide by, but unfortunately for doyley and the others, it has come and taken a big bite from there backside. Thanks.
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Post by bentfivewood on Mar 6, 2015 12:35:34 GMT -5
This issue is put to rest. It is what it is. Let's resume with discussions about the play on the course, not about the merits of a decision that has already been rendered.
Anyone who wishes to continue discussing the tournament deadline issue should do so in another thread.
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Post by MrSourNinja on Mar 6, 2015 12:36:45 GMT -5
So let's talk. I'm somehow 5th after 3 rounds but will quickly drop out of the top 10 maybe top 25 after a terrible round 4.
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Post by Alexander Salvator on Mar 6, 2015 12:53:00 GMT -5
So let's talk. I'm somehow 5th after 3 rounds but will quickly drop out of the top 10 maybe top 25 after a terrible round 4. In my opinion the pin positions in round 4 are the toughest. What do you call terrible?
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Post by theclv24 on Mar 6, 2015 12:58:21 GMT -5
I only respond to this because you asked for an explanation. As far as I am concerned the case is closed and anything afterwards is the sour grapes and unneeded. Even those DQ'ed have accepted it with grace, why not move on...it's just a game and I am sure Doyley and others will get over it...as should us all. My last word on the subject, don't take my response as being all serious, I am having fun here and enjoy posting in forums. I mean, not really. Just because I didn't lobby one way or the other before the decision was made doesn't mean that my very first opinion expressed on the matter isn't valid. And just because Doyley and Jim are good guys doesn't mean that I can't take exception with how the issue is resolved, as it affects how matters like this are handled in the future. I've already expressed that I'll accept the decision and I trust the guys running the Tours to use their heads and make calm judgments. I just really want to avoid future situations where people lobby for other players to be DQ'd based on rules that are unclear. There are no financial stakes here (as far as I know), so I'd rather see close interpretations like this be more lenient. Not everyone is going to accept the decision as well as these guys did, and we really as a community should try to get and keep as many people involved as possible. As I previously stated, a situation where 2 guys could have kept their scores now presents a situation that might negatively affect more Champions players in the future. We all want a fair environment to compete in, but we shouldn't consistently be making it harder for people to have their scores count or to participate. And as I also indicated before, whether it is true in this situation or not, the subtle undertones are there of looking for ways to take down top players, and I most definitely don't want to do anything that helps facilitate an environment where that happens regularly.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 6, 2015 13:06:15 GMT -5
I can't say that I approve of the new rule, but I understand from a PR perspective why it was done. If there is no cut, though, why the need for a deadline for the first two rounds? If it worked for the Champions Tour, it will work for the PGA. And I think the new rule impacts the Champions Tour much more, in a very negative way. I'd rather have 2 late rounds in a no-cut event on the PGA be counted than people on the Champions get disqualified because of a rule change in the middle of the season. The other thing that I would like clarified is this, and I'm seriously asking because I don't know. For the people who pushed for DQ's because they rushed to get their 2 rounds in, did you ask for clarification about the rule before rushing to finish your rounds? Or did you just assume that the deadline was the same? I hope it wasn't the latter, because I just really can't get behind the argument of, "I assumed the deadline was the same but didn't ask." Ultimately I'll live with whatever happens going forward and won't make a fuss. I can't hide my true feelings on this, though. I just get really heavy vibes of sour grapes. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but that's what it feels like at face value. I assumed the rules on the website were going to be applied - ie play first 2 rounds by deadline. When the rule is clear on the website I don't see why people should be criticised for not asking if the rule is in play or not. So yes I made the assumption that we were playing by the rules given on the main site. Next week shall I remember to ask...? Just because it's got a different cut scenario I would expect a rule to be posted if it was to be any different. Norwich play Millwall away next week, but because they are away and.have been at home the last 2 weeks should they clarify with the officials that the offside rule is going to be in effect?
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 6, 2015 13:09:18 GMT -5
This issue is put to rest. It is what it is. Let's resume with discussions about the play on the course, not about the merits of a decision that has already been rendered. Anyone who wishes to continue discussing the tournament deadline issue should do so in another thread. This. Apologies for my post above this, quoted and posted before I saw this thread was getting back on track Hit a pathetic -4 in 3rd round to take me.-21 for the event. Bottom.half finish for sure
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 13:12:50 GMT -5
This issue is put to rest. It is what it is. Let's resume with discussions about the play on the course, not about the merits of a decision that has already been rendered. Anyone who wishes to continue discussing the tournament deadline issue should do so in another thread. This. Apologies for my post above this, quoted and posted before I saw this thread was getting back on track Hit a pathetic -4 in 3rd round to take me.-21 for the event. Bottom.half finish for sure thats good for last, :DDDDDD
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 6, 2015 13:23:03 GMT -5
This. Apologies for my post above this, quoted and posted before I saw this thread was getting back on track Hit a pathetic -4 in 3rd round to take me.-21 for the event. Bottom.half finish for sure thats good for last, :DDDDDD I've gone downhill since my 3rd finish look at my WGR graph! Need to try and stay top 90 for masters!
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Post by MrSourNinja on Mar 6, 2015 13:23:03 GMT -5
So let's talk. I'm somehow 5th after 3 rounds but will quickly drop out of the top 10 maybe top 25 after a terrible round 4. In my opinion the pin positions in round 4 are the toughest. What do you call terrible? Like -6 or something. Disappointing knowing a good final 2 rounds would give me a shot.
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Post by Alexander Salvator on Mar 6, 2015 14:27:38 GMT -5
In my opinion the pin positions in round 4 are the toughest. What do you call terrible? Like -6 or something. Disappointing knowing a good final 2 rounds would give me a shot. I played -8 but had the feeling that I played better than in round 2 when I played a 62. I am very curious about the results. I hope to finish Top 25. After the first round of -5 I was tied 93rd.
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Post by Breezee80 on Mar 6, 2015 14:34:19 GMT -5
So let's talk. I'm somehow 5th after 3 rounds but will quickly drop out of the top 10 maybe top 25 after a terrible round 4. I hear you. I'm tied for 7th right now. Shot -7 in the final round though. Probably will take a big hit because of it.
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Post by Oblong on Mar 6, 2015 14:35:11 GMT -5
I just really want to avoid future situations where people lobby for other players to be DQ'd based on rules that are unclear. Just to get to your main point. First of all, I didn't see anyone ever lobby for players to be DQ'ed. Quite the contrary as all the posts I saw, including my own, stated we hated that anyone would ever get a DQ. What we lobbied for was an upholding of the rules. As far an anyone can see there is zero evidence of the submission deadline for round 1/2 being removed. In fact, quite the contrary as there is a fair amount of evidence showing that deadline was in still in place as always on the PGA/Euro Tour. Making exceptions against rules in place sets a horrible precedence for future issues. In the past every decision TGCTours has made have been to follow the rules...an example would be wrong scores submitted - regardless of why have been upheld because of the rules. I hate to see anyone DQ'ed, but I applaud them for standing up to the rules that were in place at the time and there were plenty of opportunities for them to clarify this position prior to the deadline arriving. JMHO.
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Post by Alexander Salvator on Mar 6, 2015 15:50:44 GMT -5
So let's talk. I'm somehow 5th after 3 rounds but will quickly drop out of the top 10 maybe top 25 after a terrible round 4. I hear you. I'm tied for 7th right now. Shot -7 in the final round though. Probably will take a big hit because of it. Mark my words: Round 4 is the toughest. I do not think that we will see a lot double digit under par scores.
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Post by PSU-Cappy on Mar 6, 2015 16:00:23 GMT -5
I hear you. I'm tied for 7th right now. Shot -7 in the final round though. Probably will take a big hit because of it. Mark my words: Round 4 is the toughest. I do not think that we will see a lot double digit under par scores. Glad to hear this is what everyone else thought too. I was beating myself up over the 66 when I finished
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