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Post by bentfivewood on Mar 6, 2015 9:17:14 GMT -5
Here's an unofficial response. Chill out. Personally I'm more concerned by who is included in the upholding of this rule because of the amount of work our tour director puts into making this operation run smoothly. And if I hear anyone talk about a sniff of favouritism towards admins, you'll be called out for sure. One of the reasons this tour works so well is BECAUSE of our commitment to fair play, not in spite of it. Decisions around here are seldom made lightly and always with significant discussion. no one has suggested there is favouritism towards admins and I am sure there is not. However when something like this happens the question has to be asked. All we have done in here is discuss the issue and put our opinions across. This is a forum, it's what they are for. Everyone is happy to wait for an official answer, that is no issue but we are entitled to discuss at the same time. Your chill out comment is neither here nor there. No one in here needs to "chill out" we are all happy to wait for a response Tones have changed since the names were removed back to WD. I think the concerns are valid. It's the hyperbole I can do without.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 6, 2015 9:24:12 GMT -5
no one has suggested there is favouritism towards admins and I am sure there is not. However when something like this happens the question has to be asked. All we have done in here is discuss the issue and put our opinions across. This is a forum, it's what they are for. Everyone is happy to wait for an official answer, that is no issue but we are entitled to discuss at the same time. Your chill out comment is neither here nor there. No one in here needs to "chill out" we are all happy to wait for a response Tones have changed since the names were removed back to WD. I think the concerns are valid. It's the hyperbole I can do without. I think the concerning thing is that they were changed and then changed back without any comment. This can only mean someone has made a genuine cock up thinking that the rule was in place to allow people to have whole week and then upon reading this realised it isn't OR someone is trying to pull a fast one and sneak it through. As stated I don't think for one second it's the latter but I appreciate that it does look very suss because of the lack of immediate comment as they must have browsed the forums if it's the first option. As I said, no one is pointing fingers or accusing, we just want an honest answer
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Post by blueorfe on Mar 6, 2015 9:28:16 GMT -5
If I can change the subject from WD-gate for a minute to focus on myself. After another pathetic round 3 (-4), I decided to cruise through the 4th round without much thought. I put little thought into aiming or mathing, and just kind of winged it. I also didn't follow any balls that I hit, just stayed with my golfer. The result was my best round so far of -10, and included this shot that I literally didn't even see and had to watch on replay. Nice shooting clv. Congrats on your hole in one. It shows how differently this course can play, I had to hit driver on that hole and it wasn't too much club!
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Mar 6, 2015 9:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by Tim on Mar 6, 2015 10:53:54 GMT -5
I changed them b/c I thought I had just made a coding issue where I didn't change the cut rule for PGA. Then I went back and read the rules and noticed it didn't say anything about allowing players to continue if there were no cuts, so I reverted. Sorry I left you in limbo or confused you.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 6, 2015 11:00:41 GMT -5
I changed them b/c I thought I had just made a coding issue where I didn't change the cut rule for PGA. Then I went back and read the rules and noticed it didn't say anything about allowing players to continue if there were no cuts, so I reverted. Sorry I left you in limbo or confused you. no worries tim, thanks for the clarification! I hope all is fine with Doyley? Not like him to miss an event, especially such a big one?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:36:54 GMT -5
I do gotta say this: (and prolly gunna get blasted for it, but ima big boy so its ok)
If Doyley was actually doing what I think he was doing (jimgem too) then I think we should allow a pardon here and allow their scores. Doyley, on my screen, started playing the tourny around 10pm last night (give or take 30 minutes) leaving him plenty of time to finish if all he was doing was playing his rounds. But I think he was spot checking other players for us, i repeat, for us, and this was causing his slow play. So while trying to keep the playing field on a level field, he just didnt make it to the finish line in time for his own scores to be submitted in time, thats one hell of a sacrifice. I dont know what jimgem was doing, so i really can't say one way or the other. But if Doyley (and jimgem) were truely doing something that benefited us all and that kept him from making the time cut, only missing it by 20 minutes, I think we should all allow him a break this one time.
I for one do not want to climb the rankings by handing out dq's in this manner, if it was just a random player like myself and the rest of us, who simply just missed the time line, then ya, the dq should and would stand, but I think we should have another look on this one here. I would hate to discourage the guys who make this place better for us when he was indeed doing just that.
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Post by Tim on Mar 6, 2015 11:43:11 GMT -5
Doyley is fine with the DQ -- just gives him extra motivation to regain his spot. I'm sure BBT is going to take it over after this week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:45:30 GMT -5
what or who is bbt?
edit lol, nevermind, ya prolly
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Post by jimgem on Mar 6, 2015 11:50:00 GMT -5
It is what it is,i just havn't found the time as i was building a new pc this week and for you guys that have done that then you know what a pain in the ass it is with having to install tons of stuff that you use on top of actualy building a new rig from scratch.I don't mind the dq , but some people take this way too seriously. :'(Tbh i didin't think there was a deadline if there wasn't a cut but i'l remember it next time.As i usualy play my rounds in the first day or 2 of the tournaments going up. page 3 of post to see my new rig,very pleased with it www.hb-studios.com/forum/index.php?topic=8161.30
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Mar 6, 2015 11:51:59 GMT -5
I won't blast you taste but i will respectfully disagree. We all appreciate the work Doyley and everyone else around here puts in, but the rules have to be applied equally to every member (including the staff) or there is absolutely no point to any of it. Right decision.
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Post by bentfivewood on Mar 6, 2015 11:56:48 GMT -5
I do gotta say this: (and prolly gunna get blasted for it, but ima big boy so its ok) If Doyley was actually doing what I think he was doing (jimgem too) then I think we should allow a pardon here and allow their scores. Doyley, on my screen, started playing the tourny around 10pm last night (give or take 30 minutes) leaving him plenty of time to finish if all he was doing was playing his rounds. But I think he was spot checking other players for us, i repeat, for us, and this was causing his slow play. So while trying to keep the playing field on a level field, he just didnt make it to the finish line in time for his own scores to be submitted in time, thats one hell of a sacrifice. I dont know what jimgem was doing, so i really can't say one way or the other. But if Doyley (and jimgem) were truely doing something that benefited us all and that kept him from making the time cut, only missing it by 20 minutes, I think we should all allow him a break this one time. I for one do not want to climb the rankings by handing out dq's in this manner, if it was just a random player like myself and the rest of us, who simply just missed the time line, then ya, the dq should and would stand, but I think we should have another look on this one here. I would hate to discourage the guys who make this place better for us when he was indeed doing just that. Totally appreciate this position. Hard to make an exception though, given the objective way we've handled other infractions.
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Post by theclv24 on Mar 6, 2015 12:03:48 GMT -5
I can't say that I approve of the new rule, but I understand from a PR perspective why it was done. If there is no cut, though, why the need for a deadline for the first two rounds? If it worked for the Champions Tour, it will work for the PGA. And I think the new rule impacts the Champions Tour much more, in a very negative way. I'd rather have 2 late rounds in a no-cut event on the PGA be counted than people on the Champions get disqualified because of a rule change in the middle of the season.
The other thing that I would like clarified is this, and I'm seriously asking because I don't know. For the people who pushed for DQ's because they rushed to get their 2 rounds in, did you ask for clarification about the rule before rushing to finish your rounds? Or did you just assume that the deadline was the same? I hope it wasn't the latter, because I just really can't get behind the argument of, "I assumed the deadline was the same but didn't ask."
Ultimately I'll live with whatever happens going forward and won't make a fuss. I can't hide my true feelings on this, though. I just get really heavy vibes of sour grapes. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but that's what it feels like at face value.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Mar 6, 2015 12:13:12 GMT -5
I can't say that I approve of the new rule, but I understand from a PR perspective why it was done. If there is no cut, though, why the need for a deadline for the first two rounds? If it worked for the Champions Tour, it will work for the PGA. And I think the new rule impacts the Champions Tour much more, in a very negative way. I'd rather have 2 late rounds in a no-cut event on the PGA be counted than people on the Champions get disqualified because of a rule change in the middle of the season. The other thing that I would like clarified is this, and I'm seriously asking because I don't know. For the people who pushed for DQ's because they rushed to get their 2 rounds in, did you ask for clarification about the rule before rushing to finish your rounds? Or did you just assume that the deadline was the same? I hope it wasn't the latter, because I just really can't get behind the argument of, "I assumed the deadline was the same but didn't ask." Ultimately I'll live with whatever happens going forward and won't make a fuss. I can't hide my true feelings on this, though. I just get really heavy vibes of sour grapes. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but that's what it feels like at face value. CHRASHBIRD, did actually ask TWICE for confirmation regarding a deadline as there was no cut, and he received no response both times so I presume everybody who read his question played the tournament the same as any other, with rd1 and rd2 scores to be posted before 11.59 Thursday cut off.
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Post by Oblong on Mar 6, 2015 12:21:05 GMT -5
The other thing that I would like clarified is this, and I'm seriously asking because I don't know. For the people who pushed for DQ's because they rushed to get their 2 rounds in, did you ask for clarification about the rule before rushing to finish your rounds? Or did you just assume that the deadline was the same? I hope it wasn't the latter, because I just really can't get behind the argument of, "I assumed the deadline was the same but didn't ask." As one of the last minute rushers...did I need to ask? On the front page of the tournaments I was staring at a big countdown clock saying I had until Thursday Midnight to get my rounds in. Nowhere did I see a post by staff stating otherwise or to ignore the clock for this tourney. Also, 3 hours to go, in this very thread I posted my concern over the winds and how I would struggle. A tournament marshall (who I would consider staff) stated "Good Luck"...not "don't push it, there isn't a deadline". Also, 2 times the question was posed in the WGC field thread and also it's own topic..."Will there be a deadline for round 1 and 2?". Nobody from the staff answered and said "no deadline" The only response was a person who said they thought there would be a deadline just like it is for the Champions Tour. Based on all that info and nothing to the contrary stating the deadline was waived this week, how could anyone NOT think the deadline withstood? 105 of the 115 entered posted their 2 rounds by the deadline so it would seem the group as a whole thought to get there rounds in on time. I only respond to this because you asked for an explanation. As far as I am concerned the case is closed and anything afterwards is the sour grapes and unneeded. Even those DQ'ed have accepted it with grace, why not move on...it's just a game and I am sure Doyley and others will get over it...as should us all. My last word on the subject, don't take my response as being all serious, I am having fun here and enjoy posting in forums.
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