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Post by golferdude1994 on Oct 14, 2019 23:55:54 GMT -5
Does anyone else in general just get fed up with the amount of ignorant sports fans in the world? By no means am I talking about anyone in this forums specifically but rather nationally and internationally. I am as big of a sports supporter as anyone, this just irritates the living crap out of me.
Let me give you an example: In the NFL, which is American Football if you live in various regions of the world, has an upper echelon team called the Chiefs. They started the season 4-0 but have lost their last 2 games to have still a solid record of 4-2 with 10 games to go. Their quarterback, which is the guy who throws the ball while the team is offense, is a second year sensation named Patrick Mahomes. The kid is an amazing, prodigy like talent who has the complete package and all of the intangibles of a future hall of fame quarterback when he retires, with the exception being if he were to suffer a serious injury to impede his future.
Bare in mind that Chiefs fans are still as supportive of him as ever, this is merely about other people who do not support the team.
Even though his statistics in the last two games which they lost weren't as good as what he is accustomed to, the vast majority of quarterbacks in the league would love to still have the consistency and production that Mahomes possesses. Sports fans are calling Mahomes such nasty things such as garbage, overrated, clueless, over the hill, one-year wonder, etc, just because of a couple less than ideal games. His statistics are still among top 5 in quarterbacks. Inevitably, he will return to his dominate ways and then people will be on his bandwagon again.
This isn't the only occurrence of this, by the way. Unfortunately, this is a pretty common occurrence in sports across every major league, not just Football. It's sad really.
Why do sports fans in general have such a short term memory affliction? Why is it that these elites cannot have a bad game God forbid. I am sick of hearing it. Most quarterbacks play approximately 15 NFL seasons which equates to anywhere between 200-250 depending on playoffs, health etc. Even the best of QB's cannot be on their A game for all 200+ games. Why can't fans recognize this and get over their stupid ignorance. Just enjoy the amazing talent that he is instead of badgering him. Because time flies by rapidly and when his career expires, fans should not look back and say gee I miss Mahomes why didn't I give him enough respect and attention when he was actually playing?
Thanks for reading.
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Post by Oscar C on Oct 15, 2019 2:37:17 GMT -5
Great thread idea.
It’s spot on too. Happens here in Australia aswell. It has a lot to do with most people just loving to knock down a tall poppy. Social media these days makes it so much easier to get stuck into a player, even directly to their twitter account than anytime in history.
Most of it is based on jealousy, gambling or a hatred of the team that person plays for. It’s rarely at the actual person and dare say they would never say these things to their face.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Oct 15, 2019 5:32:41 GMT -5
It happens a lot in football (soccer) as well and can be a lot worse than what you've described. I've been to matches where so called supporters will just have a dislike for certain players even if they play for their own team. It can be the player is a foreigner and doesn't 'get' what it means to play for the club, whilst players who support the club will get an easier time although they aren't immune. Recently I've seen a person in the media have a go at a player for not celebrating enough when he scores.
A lot of fans forget that being a player is a job to these guys, yes they are well played but fans seem to expect the players to totally immerse themselves in the club. Being a football fan in Scotland I've seen players and managers get caught up in the rivalry, being attacked in the street or in the stadium by rival fans. Other places in the world are worse than this though, I've heard players being attacked by their own fans for losing a game.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Oct 15, 2019 6:32:16 GMT -5
Patrick Mahomes. Phenomenal talent. Wish the Bills would have taken him but traded out of that spot. Josh Allen has promise. Heard about this bold prediction from Deion the other day...
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Post by JosiaDB on Oct 15, 2019 8:51:55 GMT -5
yeah golferdude1994 I get ya. Its not just sports fans though, its society as a whole. It seems that everyone somehow has developed a memory of no more than is necessary to actually put an effort into thinking about.
On the subject at hand, the NFL, this seems to equate to about the length of one week.
Have one bad game, and so called 'fans', EVEN (or especially it seems) people that that are reporting, either on the net or tv, suddenly think there is no hope, the player has lost it, and should be dumped. Have one great game, and these same people think that this player is the best in the world.
Days are gone of lets look at these player's qualities, and let them and their team, and their coach, develop for a while. People forget that the most successful coaches and players in history are the ones that have been given a chance to prove themselves over years, not weeks.
So yeah, totally agree with you, and its across the board, applying to both the good and bad players. and coaches too.
Few more thoughts-
Mahomes is indeed great. A few losses does not diminish his talent. His worst mistake was allowing himself to be on the cover of Madden. That stupid curse has the potential to crush an awesome career, LOL. I hope he pulls a Brady and beats it, cause I love watching him play.
SweetTeeBag , Deions prediction really isn't that bold. It should only come as a surprise to people that this thread is about in the first place. If people have paid attention to the Bills and McDermott, specifically, they'd realize that given time, he can take this team to much higher levels and compete with the Patriots. But he needs 3-4 years to get them there, not one or two seasons only that some want to judge success by. Again, the subject of this thread.  |
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Post by golferdude1994 on Oct 15, 2019 9:12:27 GMT -5
Great thread idea. It’s spot on too. Happens here in Australia aswell. It has a lot to do with most people just loving to knock down a tall poppy. Social media these days makes it so much easier to get stuck into a player, even directly to their twitter account than anytime in history. Most of it is based on jealousy, gambling or a hatred of the team that person plays for. It’s rarely at the actual person and dare say they would never say these things to their face. I agree with the whole social media aspect. It seems like literally as a certain critical moment in time during a game that something significant happens good or bad, so many people, sometimes thousands, flock to twitter immediately to either post something irrelevant or to "like" a tweet where it's a meme that's not even applicable lol. Also, yes you are right with regard to jealousy, gambling, and hatred. This is particularly true if the team that the criticizer supports has an elite similar talent as well. This goes back to a key, simple point though of why can't their be more than one elite player at a position in any league? I am not a fan of greatest of all time talk either because sports evolve over the years and different eras emphasize certain components of the game. It's not a fair comparison. Instead of micromanaging how these elites athletes play, they should be revered for how unique and special a talent they are in that sport. |
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Post by golferdude1994 on Oct 15, 2019 9:16:48 GMT -5
It happens a lot in football (soccer) as well and can be a lot worse than what you've described. I've been to matches where so called supporters will just have a dislike for certain players even if they play for their own team. It can be the player is a foreigner and doesn't 'get' what it means to play for the club, whilst players who support the club will get an easier time although they aren't immune. Recently I've seen a person in the media have a go at a player for not celebrating enough when he scores. A lot of fans forget that being a player is a job to these guys, yes they are well played but fans seem to expect the players to totally immerse themselves in the club. Being a football fan in Scotland I've seen players and managers get caught up in the rivalry, being attacked in the street or in the stadium by rival fans. Other places in the world are worse than this though, I've heard players being attacked by their own fans for losing a game. It's certainly strange sometimes the ludicrous reasons why someone chooses to not like a player. Sometimes, it's because someone has a huge nose or they have a strange voice as then they are labeled as a freak or a weirdo etc. You bring in a component which is interesting and vital as well which is fans rioting post or pre game if the result doesn't go as the fans want. Sports are supposed to be a fun outlet to escape the stresses that life presents. If someone takes it too far in that way, they are not only being shameful as now humans deserve that much criticism over a game which is ultimately irrelevant, but they are missing the real reason why sports exist in the 1st place. |
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Post by golferdude1994 on Oct 15, 2019 9:22:11 GMT -5
yeah golferdude1994 I get ya. Its not just sports fans though, its society as a whole. It seems that everyone somehow has developed a memory of no more than is necessary to actually put an effort into thinking about.
On the subject at hand, the NFL, this seems to equate to about the length of one week.
Have one bad game, and so called 'fans', EVEN (or especially it seems) people that that are reporting, either on the net or tv, suddenly think there is no hope, the player has lost it, and should be dumped. Have one great game, and these same people think that this player is the best in the world.
Days are gone of lets look at these player's qualities, and let them and their team, and their coach, develop for a while. People forget that the most successful coaches and players in history are the ones that have been given a chance to prove themselves over years, not weeks.
So yeah, totally agree with you, and its across the board, applying to both the good and bad players. and coaches too.
Few more thoughts-
Mahomes is indeed great. A few losses does not diminish his talent. His worst mistake was allowing himself to be on the cover of Madden. That stupid curse has the potential to crush an awesome career, LOL. I hope he pulls a Brady and beats it, cause I love watching him play.
SweetTeeBag , Deions prediction really isn't that bold. It should only come as a surprise to people that this thread is about in the first place. If people have paid attention to the Bills and McDermott, specifically, they'd realize that given time, he can take this team to much higher levels and compete with the Patriots. But he needs 3-4 years to get them there, not one or two seasons only that some want to judge success by. Again, the subject of this thread. Fantastic point, Josiah. Bill Belichick did not become an elite coach until 15-18 years ago. In fact, prior to the Patriots, he struggled as a head coach in Cleveland. I imagine the Cleveland fans were not to thrilled with him during his coaching tenure, but the point is they have to be patient because look at what he is now as a coach. Top all-time talents such as Joe Montana, John Elway, Roger Staubach, Joe Namath, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Dan Marino etc. took a couple of years before entering their prime and even once they were in their prime, they would still have the occasional bad game from time to time. If fans were once patient in their players then, how come the script has changed now? |
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Post by lessthanbread on Oct 15, 2019 10:03:47 GMT -5
NFL media and fans in general have much more explosive reactions to things than other sports because it's only a 16 game season before the playoffs. There's a lot more riding on one game. Just my opinion
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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 15, 2019 10:23:53 GMT -5
While Mahomes' talent is clear and he is showing to be worthy of being the starter and last year's MVP - the public, in general, despise excessive hype.
Personally, I'm sick and tired of seeing his face every time I boot up Madden. I'm tired of pundits hugging his nuts like he is some kind of god. The kid has played one season. Show me a career first before putting him in the Hall of Fame.
On another Chiefs' note - Tyreek Hill is a child abuser and should be in jail.
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Post by golferdude1994 on Oct 15, 2019 10:54:28 GMT -5
While Mahomes' talent is clear and he is showing to be worthy of being the starter and last year's MVP - the public, in general, despise excessive hype. Personally, I'm sick and tired of seeing his face every time I boot up Madden. I'm tired of pundits hugging his nuts like he is some kind of god. The kid has played one season. Show me a career first before putting him in the Hall of Fame. On another Chiefs' note - Tyreek Hill is a child abuser and should be in jail. Jimmy, if you look this year, Mahomes' numbers are actually a bit better. He may not hit 50 TD's through the air this season, but he is minimizing his turnovers this year compared to last, and will have thrown for similar yards and completion percentage as last year. I agree with you that he needs to maintain this form for many seasons to be in the Hall of Fame, but he has not done anything this season to jeopardize that. I thoroughly enjoy watching him though as he is a heck of a nice kid with so much humility and maturity beyond his years. He is a class act which is refreshing for athletes these days. |
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Post by golferdude1994 on Oct 15, 2019 10:56:38 GMT -5
NFL media and fans in general have much more explosive reactions to things than other sports because it's only a 16 game season before the playoffs. There's a lot more riding on one game. Just my opinion I agree that because the NFL season is so short, fans put more pressure on teams and players to perform at an elite level all the time. But I believe I saw that 95% of teams which finish 10-6 on the season qualify for the playoffs, so fans who have teams which fall to 4-2 have nothing to grumble about with regard to playoff status. |
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Post by lessthanbread on Oct 15, 2019 11:02:00 GMT -5
NFL media and fans in general have much more explosive reactions to things than other sports because it's only a 16 game season before the playoffs. There's a lot more riding on one game. Just my opinion I agree that because the NFL season is so short, fans put more pressure on teams and players to perform at an elite level all the time. But I believe I saw that 95% of teams which finish 10-6 on the season qualify for the playoffs, so fans who have teams which fall to 4-2 have nothing to grumble about with regard to playoff status. Definitely. My Vikes are now 4-2. Can’t help being concerned with how strong the division is but gotta bring it back and focus on one game at a time mentality |
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Post by JosiaDB on Oct 15, 2019 11:13:06 GMT -5
NFL media and fans in general have much more explosive reactions to things than other sports because it's only a 16 game season before the playoffs. There's a lot more riding on one game. Just my opinion I agree that because the NFL season is so short, fans put more pressure on teams and players to perform at an elite level all the time. But I believe I saw that 95% of teams which finish 10-6 on the season qualify for the playoffs, so fans who have teams which fall to 4-2 have nothing to grumble about with regard to playoff status.
If I'm not mistaken there are occasionally 9-7 teams that are able to squeak in. So losing one game doesn't make as huge a difference in the NFL as people think. Thats in college.  |
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Post by golferdude1994 on Oct 15, 2019 11:16:13 GMT -5
I agree that because the NFL season is so short, fans put more pressure on teams and players to perform at an elite level all the time. But I believe I saw that 95% of teams which finish 10-6 on the season qualify for the playoffs, so fans who have teams which fall to 4-2 have nothing to grumble about with regard to playoff status.
If I'm not mistaken there are occasionally 9-7 teams that are able to squeak in. So losing one game doesn't make as huge a difference in the NFL as people think. Thats in college. Yes, I've seen teams make the playoffs at 9-7 as a wild card. We might see that this year in the AFC seeing that it isn't the strongest conference. If I recall, a few years ago the Seahawks won their division at either 7-8-1 or 7-9. Wildcard teams can't qualify with only 7 wins, but division's can be won with 7 wins |
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