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Post by Generic_Casual on Aug 12, 2019 22:43:01 GMT -5
How about all the XB1 players just buy a PS4. Simple. Just a joke. Don't get your knickers twisted in the front.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 23:34:55 GMT -5
#xboxforlife
Seriously though wish we could get fps on the two systems.
Does anyone have both versions with a PC monitor high refresh rate and a stable connection?
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 12, 2019 23:43:27 GMT -5
I'd still like to see the swing data analyzed again for comparison to when it was done early on when we were ALL still trying to figure the new swing mechanic out. Is it any better now that we've had a full season with it? Specifically the data with master clubs betwixt the 3 platforms..
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Post by TheDominator273 on Aug 13, 2019 0:48:32 GMT -5
I'd still like to see the swing data analyzed again for comparison to when it was done early on when we were ALL still trying to figure the new swing mechanic out. Is it any better now that we've had a full season with it? Specifically the data with master clubs betwixt the 3 platforms.. The data people are referencing is from one of the promo events this season, the one at MattFs course. Can't remember the name or which promo event number it was exactly
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 0:54:55 GMT -5
I'd still like to see the swing data analyzed again for comparison to when it was done early on when we were ALL still trying to figure the new swing mechanic out. Is it any better now that we've had a full season with it? Specifically the data with master clubs betwixt the 3 platforms.. The data people are referencing is from one of the promo events this season, the one at MattFs course. Can't remember the name or which promo event number it was exactly Right. What he is asking if for analysis for a recent event to see if any changes or patterns can be found here at the end of the season with a recent event.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 13, 2019 1:10:51 GMT -5
I'd still like to see the swing data analyzed again for comparison to when it was done early on when we were ALL still trying to figure the new swing mechanic out. Is it any better now that we've had a full season with it? Specifically the data with master clubs betwixt the 3 platforms.. The data people are referencing is from one of the promo events this season, the one at MattFs course. Can't remember the name or which promo event number it was exactly That would be Thistle Dell which hosted Promotion Event No.3 at the end of April.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 13, 2019 7:50:30 GMT -5
The data people are referencing is from one of the promo events this season, the one at MattFs course. Can't remember the name or which promo event number it was exactly That would be Thistle Dell which hosted Promotion Event No.3 at the end of April. Or promo event 4 at Woodley Island Golf Club 4th of July week.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 13, 2019 8:07:29 GMT -5
That would be Thistle Dell which hosted Promotion Event No.3 at the end of April. Or promo event 4 at Woodley Island Golf Club 4th of July week. If it was a MattF course it would be Thistle Dell.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 13, 2019 8:09:16 GMT -5
Or promo event 4 at Woodley Island Golf Club 4th of July week. If it was a MattF course it would be Thistle Dell. Right, I meant take data from promo 4... or even from the US Open qualifiers.. Is there a thread that showed the data from promo 3? I thought the analysis was done much earlier in the season, like just after the mass Q school we all did..
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 13, 2019 8:24:41 GMT -5
I am just going to quote something I said in the "Forcing Pro Clubs is Winning" thread. The TL;DR version is that new data that shows the gap closing wouldn't mean that XBox isn't harder than PS4 anymore; it would just mean that XBoxers have practiced hard. So, let's assume that XBox players have improved greatly and the percentage of perfect temp on XBox comes in at around 75%. That would tell us that XBox players have closed the gap. But here's the problem: It doesn't tell us why they've closed the gap. After a full year of practice, XBox players would have gotten to where PS4 users are. There is an upper limit to what percentage of shots can be perfect - 100%. Let's assume that, after a week of practice, PS4 players had nailed it down to 100% perfect, and XBox players were at 50%. Clearly, XBox is harder. Then, let's assume, after a full year of practice, both platforms are at 100% perfect. Does that mean that XBox isn't harder to master anymore? No, it doesn't. XBox is still harder, but not totally impossible. So, by grabbing updated data, you're not exactly measuring objective difficulty, but instead measuring how well players have adapted after a year with the game. It still falls short of being able to conclude that XBox is not harder, even if the gap is negligible. It's because there is an upper limit as to how good you can be. We don't know if PS4 players are getting perfect swings that are "more perfect" in a sense.
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Post by booze2407 on Aug 13, 2019 11:25:50 GMT -5
I stand by my other two points. Unacceptable to not allow fullest swing difficulty. Terrible solution - 2 wrongs don’t make a right. so you value using master clubs at the cost of cross-platform parity. that's fine, but others prioritize level competition. around half the playerbase, it seems. What about all the PS4 players who could have voted for forced Pro, not because they want fair play across platforms, but simply because they aren’t good enough to use Master clubs?! Of course they would vote forced Pro, why wouldn’t they? Do you really think those Yes votes should carry the same weight as players on the Pro tours? Absolutely not. The around half the playerbase argument is just extremely flawed to me. Either way, it’s not a solution if it ruins the tour for a lot of people.
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Post by cephyn on Aug 13, 2019 11:34:26 GMT -5
so you value using master clubs at the cost of cross-platform parity. that's fine, but others prioritize level competition. around half the playerbase, it seems. What about all the PS4 players who could have voted for forced Pro, not because they want fair play across platforms, but simply because they aren’t good enough to use Master clubs?! Of course they would vote forced Pro, why wouldn’t they? Do you really think those Yes votes should carry the same weight as players on the Pro tours? Absolutely not. The around half the playerbase argument is just extremely flawed to me. Either way, it’s not a solution if it ruins the tour for a lot of people. Tour was already ruined for a lot of xbox users. Additionally, from Doyley: "From PGA: 91 responses - 40% want forced pro clubs, 60% dont" Given that 90% of them are using their favored clubs, that's a pretty stunning result.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Aug 13, 2019 11:54:53 GMT -5
What about all the PS4 players who could have voted for forced Pro, not because they want fair play across platforms, but simply because they aren’t good enough to use Master clubs?! Of course they would vote forced Pro, why wouldn’t they? Do you really think those Yes votes should carry the same weight as players on the Pro tours? Absolutely not. The around half the playerbase argument is just extremely flawed to me. Either way, it’s not a solution if it ruins the tour for a lot of people. Tour was already ruined for a lot of xbox users. Additionally, from Doyley: "From PGA: 91 responses - 40% want forced pro clubs, 60% dont" Given that 90% of them are using their favored clubs, that's a pretty stunning result. I agree.
I don't think it's controversial to suppose that 90% of PGA players (let's put it at 99%) would respond that they want a "fair" competition on their tour, if they were asked. 60% of them still said they didn't want to be forced to play Pro clubs - and that's where we agree, that response is pretty telling.
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Post by booze2407 on Aug 13, 2019 12:02:55 GMT -5
What about all the PS4 players who could have voted for forced Pro, not because they want fair play across platforms, but simply because they aren’t good enough to use Master clubs?! Of course they would vote forced Pro, why wouldn’t they? Do you really think those Yes votes should carry the same weight as players on the Pro tours? Absolutely not. The around half the playerbase argument is just extremely flawed to me. Either way, it’s not a solution if it ruins the tour for a lot of people. Tour was already ruined for a lot of xbox users. Additionally, from Doyley: "From PGA: 91 responses - 40% want forced pro clubs, 60% dont" Given that 90% of them are using their favored clubs, that's a pretty stunning result. So a solution is instead to ruin it for a different group of people? That question result seems odd, but either way not forcing is still the majority. What if a large portion of that 60% wouldn’t want to play anymore with Pro. We don’t know that, but looking at the results of this poll and a few of the comments, it’s a definite possibility. The only fair solution it seems is just splitting it up by console really. What about my point with PS4 players who lack the skill to play with Master clubs voting for forced Pro? There’s literally no reason for them not to. Almost 80% of challenge circuit players are playing with their preferred clubset, so in my opinion anyone on PS4 who’s playing with Pro as their preferred clubset, should have their votes thrown out. That’s a lot of people I bet. These are people who would use Pro clubs regardless, why would they not vote Forced Pro?
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Post by cephyn on Aug 13, 2019 12:09:02 GMT -5
That's a lot of straw men and speculation.
Bottom line is, it's not going to happen, so don't get too worked up. But masters clubs are broken for cross-platform play, it's already tanked the xbox participation at the highest levels in TGCT. The only solution to that parity problem is to use clubsets that aren't broken. Clearly, that's unacceptable to about half the users here.
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