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Post by SeventyFour on Aug 10, 2019 19:39:15 GMT -5
Color me crazy, but those Xbox players using Masters clubs can easily decide to drop to Pro without involving the entire community. Currently not allowed on Web.com, Euro and PGA Tours. Okay, so once again, why is the entire community involved? If that’s the focus, keep it there.
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 10, 2019 20:17:20 GMT -5
Once you reach those tours you shouldn’t be allowed to drop down to Pro anyways. Master Clubs should mandatory( which it is I know) regardless. Obviously the Xbox players that made it to those tours are good enough to begin with. What about the XBox players that are on Euro - are they skilled enough to be on PGA? How would you be able to tell? How do you know that Brandon Beasley isn't as good as Rawesy? He finished T38 this week, 26 shots behind. But he was the only XBoxer to make the cut. Ok, maybe not as good as Rawesy, but what about maybe as good as Jeff Day who finished 4th, 16 shots ahead of Beasley. 4 shots per round. Seems plausible, at least. Just using the old stats, XBox players were 30 percentage points behind in terms of getting perfect downswings. Over a 4-round event, that translates to 32 more missed tempos on full shots. So, dropping 16 shots would be losing a half-stroke for every Fast or Very Fast downswing. Seems reasonable. So you can't say that Beasley finished 16 shots behind Day, so Day MUST be the more skilled player. He might be. He might not be.
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 10, 2019 20:29:40 GMT -5
Okay, so once again, why is the entire community involved? Some people are more interested in competing across platforms than they are in playing the clubset they prefer. Some players would give up the cross-platform/clubset competition similar to the way CC was set up in the second half of this season. Still, for those on XBox who want to play Masters, there is a disadvantage when compared to Master Club users on PS4. That affects the entire Tour. There isn't a wrong perspective in this regard; It's pick your poison, and the OP is trying to get an idea of public sentiment with regards to forcing a clubset on people.
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Post by booze2407 on Aug 11, 2019 9:30:24 GMT -5
If the decision to make Pro Clubs mandatory is implemented it would make the playing field more even. I can't understand why anyone would quit playing the Tours if everyone was on the same level and didn't have a distinct advantage because of the platform they play on It’s simple though, for me the tour would no longer be fun. I have no interest in using Pro clubs in this game, ever, as I find it to be very boring. The argument that it’s a fair playing field doesn’t change that, as it doesn’t override the fact that I would no longer have fun with it. No fun = I’m not going to play. I would just hope Sim doesn’t follow suit so I would still have that at least. It’s completely understandable for those who only enjoy Master clubs to leave if forced to use Pro.
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Post by PMGS247 on Aug 12, 2019 15:05:52 GMT -5
If the decision to make Pro Clubs mandatory is implemented it would make the playing field more even. I can't understand why anyone would quit playing the Tours if everyone was on the same level and didn't have a distinct advantage because of the platform they play on It’s simple though, for me the tour would no longer be fun. I have no interest in using Pro clubs in this game, ever, as I find it to be very boring. The argument that it’s a fair playing field doesn’t change that, as it doesn’t override the fact that I would no longer have fun with it. No fun = I’m not going to play. I would just hope Sim doesn’t follow suit so I would still have that at least. It’s completely understandable for those who only enjoy Master clubs to leave if forced to use Pro. Same. Member since 2014 I'd be gone without thinking twice if forced to use Pro. If TGCtours, the biggest & baddest, only cross-platform society in the game didn't allow for playing on the highest swing difficulty, it would be downright sad. Assuming Phlyer is referring to the system (PS4 vs Xbox vs PC) when he refers to "platform" advantage: That's a real problem & needs to be resolved but has nothing to do with Masters/Pro discussion. If effectively putting everyone on medium swing difficulty is some weird way to bridge the gap between the systems it's a terrible bridge.
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Post by kickingguru on Aug 12, 2019 15:36:51 GMT -5
Right now... the top 3 Pro Tours (PGA, Web, Euro), are in essence single platform anyway. PS4 is more than dominant. Only 14 Xbox users made the cut in last weeks touneys. That is in all 3 tours combined.
It makes more sense based on the stats to split up the tour by console. Ps4 and PC/xbox. Then the clubset is by choice. It is not in the best interest to make the large majority of competitive PS4 Masters Clubs guys to play with Pro clubs. Those guys can play and the game is in great shape for them. You could even allow someone to choose to be in the PS4 side if they desire.
I for one would love an xbox/pc only tour. PC does have an advantage, but it is much less pronounced and tolerable with the limited number of users.
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Post by cephyn on Aug 12, 2019 15:42:16 GMT -5
It’s simple though, for me the tour would no longer be fun. I have no interest in using Pro clubs in this game, ever, as I find it to be very boring. The argument that it’s a fair playing field doesn’t change that, as it doesn’t override the fact that I would no longer have fun with it. No fun = I’m not going to play. I would just hope Sim doesn’t follow suit so I would still have that at least. It’s completely understandable for those who only enjoy Master clubs to leave if forced to use Pro. Same. Member since 2014 I'd be gone without thinking twice if forced to use Pro. If TGCtours, the biggest & baddest, only cross-platform society in the game didn't allow for playing on the highest swing difficulty, it would be downright sad. Assuming Phlyer is referring to the system (PS4 vs Xbox vs PC) when he refers to "platform" advantage: That's a real problem & needs to be resolved but has nothing to do with Masters/Pro discussion. If effectively putting everyone on medium swing difficulty is some weird way to bridge the gap between the systems it's a terrible bridge. the platform advantage only exists for master clubs. moving everyone to pros eliminates the gap. it 100% solves the problem, that's the reason for the discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 18:02:32 GMT -5
Whats the point of this survey, are they going to make changes to season 6 or not. Can we get a response from who makes that decision.
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Post by kickingguru on Aug 12, 2019 19:27:10 GMT -5
There will certainly be changes as there is every season. What they will be is still under wraps. This is just purely speculation and a little manipulation from members here to make their voices known.
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Post by PMGS247 on Aug 12, 2019 21:09:47 GMT -5
Same. Member since 2014 I'd be gone without thinking twice if forced to use Pro. If TGCtours, the biggest & baddest, only cross-platform society in the game didn't allow for playing on the highest swing difficulty, it would be downright sad. Assuming Phlyer is referring to the system (PS4 vs Xbox vs PC) when he refers to "platform" advantage: That's a real problem & needs to be resolved but has nothing to do with Masters/Pro discussion. If effectively putting everyone on medium swing difficulty is some weird way to bridge the gap between the systems it's a terrible bridge. the platform advantage only exists for master clubs. moving everyone to pros eliminates the gap. it 100% solves the problem, that's the reason for the discussion. I stand by my other two points. Unacceptable to not allow fullest swing difficulty. Terrible solution - 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
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Post by cephyn on Aug 12, 2019 21:26:55 GMT -5
the platform advantage only exists for master clubs. moving everyone to pros eliminates the gap. it 100% solves the problem, that's the reason for the discussion. I stand by my other two points. Unacceptable to not allow fullest swing difficulty. Terrible solution - 2 wrongs don’t make a right. so you value using master clubs at the cost of cross-platform parity. that's fine, but others prioritize level competition. around half the playerbase, it seems.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 12, 2019 21:48:47 GMT -5
Unsure (Masters club user here).
Probably play more USE and IB, other societies.
REALLY doubt that will happen tho.
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Post by PMGS247 on Aug 12, 2019 21:52:30 GMT -5
I stand by my other two points. Unacceptable to not allow fullest swing difficulty. Terrible solution - 2 wrongs don’t make a right. so you value using master clubs at the cost of cross-platform parity. that's fine, but others prioritize level competition. around half the playerbase, it seems. Twisted words, check. Oversimplify a complicated topic, check. Cherry picked stats, check. Alternative cherry picked stat: 90% of pro tours players are using their preferred clubs. That’s me and I’m not alone. Force a switch, I’m out. Not a big deal, plenty of places to play, just true...answering the question posed by the thread. GLGL in the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 22:15:50 GMT -5
If this ever happens TGctours has jumped the shark.
Participation Trophies incoming.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 22:31:09 GMT -5
Someone mentioned it recently, but I can't find the thread to give them the credit for this suggestion, but I would be okay with letting XB1 players using Pro clubs on the Pro Tours. Not a perfect fix by any means, but at least they could choose which handicap to have (the tempo randomiser OR the loss of a bit of distance for good tempo).
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