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Post by cephyn on Aug 9, 2019 18:21:42 GMT -5
Any basis for your belief? Or just blind bad faith in people with a view contrary to your own? The stats on cross platform balance are pretty clear. Yup, blind bad faith as you put it, perhaps MY XB is not broken. If I swing bad I swing bad, it's not random for me. Though I do have 1000+ hours on on the master set, so there's that. All I'm saying is the data we're all referring to was done just after the swing tuning occurred early on, nobody was used to the new swing at that point. I am just asking to have the swing data reviewed again to compare to the first results to see if the disparity gap has decreased or not. That's all nothing else. It's not that the xbox is random. It's that the tempo windows are waaaaaay smaller than the ps4 tempo window. |
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Post by mrohde4 on Aug 9, 2019 18:25:38 GMT -5
“2 or 3 troublesome players” 😂😂😂😂😂 2 or 3. 9 or 10. Irrelevant. Still a tiny proportion of the player base and no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Despite this huge injustice, CuseHokie has still managed to blag his way into the top 10 of the WGR. My heart doesn't bleed..... 
But isn’t that kind of the point? There’s no way of knowing how many could possibly win if flicking was somehow outlawed. If the top flickers were forced to change and play like us mortals, wouldn’t that open the possibility of more winners? |
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Post by mrohde4 on Aug 9, 2019 18:27:59 GMT -5
Just curious as to what PGA says as they are forced Master clubs and are most exposed to the 'flick swing' and have a much higher API pull rate than the other two Pro tours. Wondering if there is any deviation on the results from PGA only versus the Pro (PGA, Euro, and Web) results of (forced) Masters club users.
Just a reminder. I know life happens.
Assuming you are referencing the Force Pro clubs question?
From PGA: 91 responses - 40% want forced pro clubs, 60% dont
Wow. Almost half of the PGA responders want Pro only. Even despite not a full sample size and probably more skewed toward “the angry mob,” that’s significant. Almost alarming. |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 9, 2019 18:29:04 GMT -5
2 or 3. 9 or 10. Irrelevant. Still a tiny proportion of the player base and no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Despite this huge injustice, CuseHokie has still managed to blag his way into the top 10 of the WGR. My heart doesn't bleed.....
But isn’t that kind of the point? There’s no way of knowing how many could possibly win if flicking was somehow outlawed. If the top flickers were forced to change and play like us mortals, wouldn’t that open the possibility of more winners? All for punishing repeat API offenders with long bans.
Not for changing the way hundreds of people prefer to play the game to achieve so called parity
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 9, 2019 18:33:59 GMT -5
Yup, blind bad faith as you put it, perhaps MY XB is not broken. If I swing bad I swing bad, it's not random for me. Though I do have 1000+ hours on on the master set, so there's that. All I'm saying is the data we're all referring to was done just after the swing tuning occurred early on, nobody was used to the new swing at that point. I am just asking to have the swing data reviewed again to compare to the first results to see if the disparity gap has decreased or not. That's all nothing else. It's not that the xbox is random. It's that the tempo windows are waaaaaay smaller than the ps4 tempo window. Well as the data showed from early on, which is why I asked to see if it can be reviewed again from a recent event like promo 4 |
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Post by paulus on Aug 9, 2019 18:39:41 GMT -5
see if it can be reviewed again from a recent event like promo 4 Better to include a few events. A good number wouldn't have played promo 4, including most of the PGA. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 18:43:51 GMT -5
But isn’t that kind of the point? There’s no way of knowing how many could possibly win if flicking was somehow outlawed. If the top flickers were forced to change and play like us mortals, wouldn’t that open the possibility of more winners? All for punishing repeat API offenders with long bans.
Not for changing the way hundreds of people prefer to play the game to achieve so called parity
I see just as much for the separation of the flickers from the rest. Edit: Flickers can play "legally", too.
I say this as one who has been API pulled once using a flick swing after 20+ weeks of playing and have altered my swing over time. My natural swing is a flick swing, so I have changed it to try and deviate it away from that.
Having stated that, I wish to play this game at the highest difficulty as there should be some kind of balance between difficulty and fairness. Sucks for TGCT staff to find a path here for thousands of players.
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Post by Nemecyst on Aug 9, 2019 18:46:18 GMT -5
Apologize in advance if I missed it, but have the results been filtered by platform anywhere? Curious how the XB1 crowd responded to the forced pro clubs vs. other platforms.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 18:47:17 GMT -5
Apologize in advance if I missed it, but have the results been filtered by platform anywhere? Curious how the XB1 crowd responded to the forced pro clubs vs. other platforms. Unfortunately, there was no platform question. Hindsight is 20/20.  |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 9, 2019 23:03:32 GMT -5
Apologize in advance if I missed it, but have the results been filtered by platform anywhere? Curious how the XB1 crowd responded to the forced pro clubs vs. other platforms. Unfortunately, there was no platform question. Hindsight is 20/20. This stays my point. I still think any decision on an eventual switch to mandatory pro clubs should be made following mainly what Xbox players suggests. Cause after all are they who have some real reason to complain about the game. If is real, how it seems, that the majority of them wants anyway to embrace the challenge with master clubs, I admire a lot this attitude and I'm with them. If they want to change, I would follow them even if I still wish to play the harder clubs on the best tours. About short flickers, I wish to ear no more justifications. Long if not definitive ban. Please. Cause is a shame. And the argument "is the way I play" matters zero. I started this game after have played until the day before TW2014. It was simply a nightmare. I played always every golf game with my left thumb on the stick, hitting both the plastics down and up in the way the game is obviously intended and I can't explain the amount of hours I was forced to spend to build a swing straight and constant. How much frustration every round. Every shot. I changed almost everything in the way I grab the controller. Just to menage it. But I did it. And if I can, anyone could do it. There're not excuses. Please definitive ban for short flickers and if Xbox players wants to play with master clubs, huge applause and let's go everybody straight with them. |
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Post by Doyley on Aug 9, 2019 23:34:18 GMT -5
sorry guys - off for a week's vacation - I couldn't get to all the requests.
PGA Players: Happy with Tour Structure
1: 2.2%
2: 1.1%
3: 19.8%
4: 35.2%
5: 41.8%
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 23:35:23 GMT -5
Why not just split it into a Master club tour and a pro club tour then? No one is then being forced to play a set they don’t want to. I’m sure most of the top pro club players could handle the PGA, Euro or Web course each week so have them use those same courses.
If you want the challenge, play on the Master club tour. If you’re sick of the flickers or want an even playing field then play on the Pro club tour.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 10, 2019 1:31:33 GMT -5
Why not just split it into a Master club tour and a pro club tour then? No one is then being forced to play a set they don’t want to. I’m sure most of the top pro club players could handle the PGA, Euro or Web course each week so have them use those same courses. If you want the challenge, play on the Master club tour. If you’re sick of the flickers or want an even playing field then play on the Pro club tour. This could be a solution. And it sounds a bit better that deny the chance to use the master clubs. It would be a compromise between a change and the status quo, but probably we don't have so many better options. I don't know if is actually possible to implement it, but probably yes, I suppose? And..do you what prefer, in this case? To give the chance to participate in both the tours or just to select in which tour to play? About short flickers, as I said above..i think simply that with the threat of a merciless punishment, this plague could almost disappears. Is a matter of how much we want to fight REALLY this thing, for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 3:54:21 GMT -5
MASTER CLUB LEAGUE
-PGA Tour
-Web.com/Korn Ferry Tour
-Challenge Circuit (A-Z)
PRO CLUB LEAGUE
-PGA Tour
-Korn Ferry Tour
-Challenge Circuit (A-Z)
BEGINNER CLUB LEAGUE
-PGA Tour
-Korn Ferry Tour
-Challenge Circuit (A-Z)
Job done!
Ps...I still believe all clubs should play together and scores should be the divider but meh, if people are gonna b%& and moan about clubsets (you never hear a pro club player moan that masters club beat them with their ‘cheating’ distance advantage) then probably best just to divide leagues by clubsets.
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Post by gdog on Aug 10, 2019 4:32:10 GMT -5
MASTER CLUB LEAGUE -PGA Tour -Web.com/Korn Ferry Tour -Challenge Circuit (A-Z) PRO CLUB LEAGUE -PGA Tour -Korn Ferry Tour -Challenge Circuit (A-Z) BEGINNER CLUB LEAGUE -PGA Tour -Korn Ferry Tour -Challenge Circuit (A-Z) Job done! Ps...I still believe all clubs should play together and scores should be the divider but meh, if people are gonna b%& and moan about clubsets (you never hear a pro club player moan that masters club beat them with their ‘cheating’ distance advantage) then probably best just to divide leagues by clubsets. *everyone in europe has left the chat* Also 10 flights for the 50 or so people on BCT? |
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