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Post by paulus on Aug 9, 2019 15:15:41 GMT -5
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Post by GW_Hope on Aug 9, 2019 16:14:08 GMT -5
If it weren’t for the problems with the Xbox platform version of the game this would not really be on the table at all Yet weirdly the XB players don't seem to be the ones driving hardest at it.
It seems to be CC people who can already play with the pro clubs, and people closer to the top who have an issue with flicking and want to ruin everyones fun just to get rid of 2 or 3 troublesome players. FWIW, i am not happy with people being DQed repeatedly and not being banned, but it's only a problem for people who have an inkling they might be able to win a PGA event - which is a tiny percentage of the player base
Meanwhile the 3 highest ranked PC players (ie the members of the "elite" at an actual disadvantage to all the PS4 players according to the data) are quite happy with how things are. Bizarre  Nobody around to police you rogues! 😀 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 16:14:51 GMT -5
Let's wait it out til the next game. Do proper and full testing before a season starts on there and address it based on those stats. Or We could boycott TGC2019 for season 6 and post over there as a community asking for a fix. No tournaments, no private matches. Nothing. They may get the message. This is all HB's doing and they should be the one to fix this. There's been many games I have purchased on multiple platforms. There may have been some graphical improvements between some versions, but they always played the same. I don't think HB would care if we don't play season 6, they already have our money from this game and most people here will buy the next version day 1 hoping things are fixed. They don't even care that their official societies are won by straight shooters every week on PS4 (if they even still hold them). |
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Post by TheDominator273 on Aug 9, 2019 17:00:49 GMT -5
We can either split Tours by clubset and or console, or open up all Tours to allow Pro and Masters clubs. But the status quo is clearly causing a lot of divisiveness amongst the community.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 9, 2019 17:04:30 GMT -5
I believe the largest push for pro only are probably those that want to play masters but don't want to put the time in to get better with them and so there is the 'system is broken' argument that I personally don't buy into..
Why can't we make masters only mandated like the pros and we're all playing on the same difficulty?
Obviously there will be some better than others, especially those on XB that stuck with the master set for the season.
.. here come the pitchforks...
Really, since CC is mostly dominated by Pro clubs on the tops of the leaderboards, who cares if there is a faction of people that want to play with the 'disadvantaged' master clubs? With the promo spots going to both sets, is there really a need to change? Everyone currently has a place to play - why break that?
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Post by paulus on Aug 9, 2019 17:13:21 GMT -5
I believe the largest push for pro only are probably those that want to play masters but don't want to put the time in to get better with them and so there is the 'system is broken' argument that I personally don't buy into.. Any basis for your belief? Or just blind bad faith in people with a view contrary to your own? The stats on cross platform balance are pretty clear. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 17:21:41 GMT -5
If anyone has a specific filter they want to see please request it below and tag me - I'll do my best to provide results - won't be able to take a full pic of the answers but can provide as much relevant information as possible for your specific interest.
Any way to see the results for PGA only?
Just curious as to what PGA says as they are forced Master clubs and are most exposed to the 'flick swing' and have a much higher API pull rate than the other two Pro tours. Wondering if there is any deviation on the results from PGA only versus the Pro (PGA, Euro, and Web) results of (forced) Masters club users.
Just a reminder. I know life happens.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 9, 2019 17:34:09 GMT -5
I believe the largest push for pro only are probably those that want to play masters but don't want to put the time in to get better with them and so there is the 'system is broken' argument that I personally don't buy into.. Any basis for your belief? Or just blind bad faith in people with a view contrary to your own? The stats on cross platform balance are pretty clear. Yup, blind bad faith as you put it, perhaps MY XB is not broken. If I swing bad I swing bad, it's not random for me. Though I do have 1000+ hours on on the master set, so there's that. All I'm saying is the data we're all referring to was done just after the swing tuning occurred early on, nobody was used to the new swing at that point. I am just asking to have the swing data reviewed again to compare to the first results to see if the disparity gap has decreased or not. That's all nothing else. |
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Post by Doyley on Aug 9, 2019 17:40:31 GMT -5
Any way to see the results for PGA only?
Just curious as to what PGA says as they are forced Master clubs and are most exposed to the 'flick swing' and have a much higher API pull rate than the other two Pro tours. Wondering if there is any deviation on the results from PGA only versus the Pro (PGA, Euro, and Web) results of (forced) Masters club users.
Just a reminder. I know life happens.
Assuming you are referencing the Force Pro clubs question?
From PGA: 91 responses - 40% want forced pro clubs, 60% dont
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 9, 2019 17:53:28 GMT -5
Oddly with all this discussion, 80% of the people are actually playing their preferred club set...
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Post by paulus on Aug 9, 2019 17:54:31 GMT -5
Yup, blind bad faith as you put it, perhaps MY XB is not broken. If I swing bad I swing bad, it's not random for me. Though I do have 1000+ hours on on the master set, so there's that. All I'm saying is the data we're all referring to was done just after the swing tuning occurred early on, nobody was used to the new swing at that point. I am just asking to have the swing data reviewed again to compare to the first results to see if the disparity gap has decreased or not. That's all nothing else. Everyone who's played a season or two has 1000+ hours in the game  Your anecdotal evidence is perfectly valid btw. But you didn't just call for a re-look at the data... you also ascribed negative motives to the people who don't have the same experience/viewpoint as you... I only objected because there's no real evidence to backup that negative view. I think there was a decent amount of data in the set when admins posted their stats - but to be fair I can't remember how long ago it was. |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 9, 2019 18:02:52 GMT -5
Yup, blind bad faith as you put it, perhaps MY XB is not broken. If I swing bad I swing bad, it's not random for me. Though I do have 1000+ hours on on the master set, so there's that. All I'm saying is the data we're all referring to was done just after the swing tuning occurred early on, nobody was used to the new swing at that point. I am just asking to have the swing data reviewed again to compare to the first results to see if the disparity gap has decreased or not. That's all nothing else. Everyone who's played more than a season or two has 1000+ hours in the game Your anecdotal evidence is perfectly valid btw. But you didn't just call for a re-look at the data... you also ascribed negative motives to the people who don't have the same experience/viewpoint as you... I only objected because there's no real evidence to backup that negative view. I think there was a decent amount of data in the set when admins posted their stats - but to be fair I can't remember how long ago it was. I wasn't trying to be negative. The data was run just after the mass Q school. As for the hours in game, I was merely pointing out (maybe not very well) that many users bounced off masters initially because it was hard to begin with and with the data, showed that XB was harder. My 1000+ was on masters. Anyway, early data from a system we were all new to. I'd like to see it now that we've all been playing awhile, maybe take the last promo event or something... SmilingGoats ?? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 18:10:20 GMT -5
Just curious as to what PGA says as they are forced Master clubs and are most exposed to the 'flick swing' and have a much higher API pull rate than the other two Pro tours. Wondering if there is any deviation on the results from PGA only versus the Pro (PGA, Euro, and Web) results of (forced) Masters club users.
Just a reminder. I know life happens.
Assuming you are referencing the Force Pro clubs question?
From PGA: 91 responses - 40% want forced pro clubs, 60% dont
That one and 'How happy are you with the format of the tours on TGC Tours?' were the main two I was curious about.
The others I was interested in more as a casual looksie, but the 'forced Pro clubs' and 'happy with the TGCT format' and their similarity/difference between those and the Pro clubs as a whole for the poll were what I am trying to "quantify" here. Trying to get a pulse of my fellow PGAers that have some unique subsets that apply moreso to them.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 9, 2019 18:15:42 GMT -5
Yet weirdly the XB players don't seem to be the ones driving hardest at it.
It seems to be CC people who can already play with the pro clubs, and people closer to the top who have an issue with flicking and want to ruin everyones fun just to get rid of 2 or 3 troublesome players. FWIW, i am not happy with people being DQed repeatedly and not being banned, but it's only a problem for people who have an inkling they might be able to win a PGA event - which is a tiny percentage of the player base
Meanwhile the 3 highest ranked PC players (ie the members of the "elite" at an actual disadvantage to all the PS4 players according to the data) are quite happy with how things are. Bizarre “2 or 3 troublesome players” 😂😂😂😂😂 2 or 3. 9 or 10. Irrelevant. Still a tiny proportion of the player base and no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Despite this huge injustice, CuseHokie has still managed to blag his way into the top 10 of the WGR. My heart doesn't bleed..... 
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Post by cephyn on Aug 9, 2019 18:20:34 GMT -5
Just curious as to what PGA says as they are forced Master clubs and are most exposed to the 'flick swing' and have a much higher API pull rate than the other two Pro tours. Wondering if there is any deviation on the results from PGA only versus the Pro (PGA, Euro, and Web) results of (forced) Masters club users.
Just a reminder. I know life happens.
Assuming you are referencing the Force Pro clubs question?
From PGA: 91 responses - 40% want forced pro clubs, 60% dont
That's a shockingly high number in favor of forcing pro clubs for the top tier. |
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