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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 8, 2019 4:18:05 GMT -5
all you need to do is break out PC players vs consoles its ridiculous to be T7 on PC with master and be T52 vs pc and consoles/controllers Please consider, above all, that the real main reason why this site exists, is exactly to offer a tour that crosses all three systems. To play against PC players we already have societies. Furthermore, we PC players don't suffers so much the issues of this game to need a separation. Are the Xbox players who suffers the most. And as far as I read on this forum, the majority of the Xbox players don't want a separated field. If they can deal with it, why we shouldn't too? And, in the end, we PC players are a minority. Probably we are less than 20% of total players. And i don't want to play to be in the top 25 PC players, or the best PC player. I want to compete against all the field. |
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Post by agray on Aug 8, 2019 8:46:56 GMT -5
Really hope we aren't all forced to use pro clubs. It's the pro clubbers themselves that are voting for it. "Grain of salt" should apply here.
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 8, 2019 8:54:55 GMT -5
Were I to vote rather than my planned retrospective complaining - it would be for Pro clubs across the board for the integrity of the tours. I left Web for the beginner tour. Being beaten is fine, being beaten by the platform you choose isn’t. If I had a magic wand I’d make Master clubs on XBox how the game is for all 3 platforms.Big green bold. The Xbox master club experience, when considering risk/reward, difficulty and realism (with the exception of things like a slow DS actually traveling longer, etc) is the most REWARDING video golf experience I've ever been a part of. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 8, 2019 8:57:11 GMT -5
Not even worth arguing anymore. I'm done. Have a Snickers bar. They really do satisfy! |
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Post by lastchancehombre on Aug 8, 2019 9:23:11 GMT -5
Not even worth arguing anymore. I'm done. lmao!!! Marsha Marsha Marsha |
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Post by junuh5 on Aug 8, 2019 18:04:26 GMT -5
I thought the survey was great. Great job by the admins. In the question of Force PRO clubs on all tours, I can't believe 96 people who play on the Pro Tours and are forced to use Master clubs want Pro clubs. Don't we all want the best players to rise to the top and be declared the best. I was on Pro clubs for a long time, and shooting really good. When I tried Master clubs a few times I had trouble and went back to Pro clubs. Then I realized that the top 100 players in the world were using Master clubs as they should. So, instead if complaining or "backing down" from a challenge I said to myself, "I want to be in the top 100 some day so I better learn how to use Master clubs." Then, I played 3 hours a day every day on Masters and began to conquer them. Now, I love Master clubs and would never go back. I get so much more distance and can make many more birdies and eagles. Pro clubs are SAFE. A lot of people can shoot -17 or -18 in a round on Pro clubs. My goodness if there were only Pro clubs the leader board would be congested at the top and lucky shots would decide most winners. I don't want luck to decide winners. I want skill to decide winners.
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Post by mrohde4 on Aug 8, 2019 19:48:21 GMT -5
I thought the survey was great. Great job by the admins. In the question of Force PRO clubs on all tours, I can't believe 96 people who play on the Pro Tours and are forced to use Master clubs want Pro clubs. Don't we all want the best players to rise to the top and be declared the best. I was on Pro clubs for a long time, and shooting really good. When I tried Master clubs a few times I had trouble and went back to Pro clubs. Then I realized that the top 100 players in the world were using Master clubs as they should. So, instead if complaining or "backing down" from a challenge I said to myself, "I want to be in the top 100 some day so I better learn how to use Master clubs." Then, I played 3 hours a day every day on Masters and began to conquer them. Now, I love Master clubs and would never go back. I get so much more distance and can make many more birdies and eagles. Pro clubs are SAFE. A lot of people can shoot -17 or -18 in a round on Pro clubs. My goodness if there were only Pro clubs the leader board would be congested at the top and lucky shots would decide most winners. I don't want luck to decide winners. I want skill to decide winners. Spot on analysis and yes it’d be a shame if the pro tours required pro only. My guess is some players voted for pro clubs on the pro tours because of many top players using short swing exploit advantage which is basically the same as using pro clubs with masters distances. Mandatory pro difficulty level would even that playing field. |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 8, 2019 21:07:10 GMT -5
all you need to do is break out PC players vs consoles its ridiculous to be T7 on PC with master and be T52 vs pc and consoles/controllers Curious, you are aware that most PC players use controllers right? Not all, but most. Only the strong willed use a mouse.... |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 8, 2019 21:10:22 GMT -5
all you need to do is break out PC players vs consoles its ridiculous to be T7 on PC with master and be T52 vs pc and consoles/controllers Curious, you are aware that most PC players use controllers right? Not all, but most. Only the strong willed use a mouse....  only the brave!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 21:53:02 GMT -5
If anyone has a specific filter they want to see please request it below and tag me - I'll do my best to provide results - won't be able to take a full pic of the answers but can provide as much relevant information as possible for your specific interest.
Any way to see the results for PGA only?
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Post by cephyn on Aug 9, 2019 8:22:00 GMT -5
I thought the survey was great. Great job by the admins. In the question of Force PRO clubs on all tours, I can't believe 96 people who play on the Pro Tours and are forced to use Master clubs want Pro clubs. Don't we all want the best players to rise to the top and be declared the best. I was on Pro clubs for a long time, and shooting really good. When I tried Master clubs a few times I had trouble and went back to Pro clubs. Then I realized that the top 100 players in the world were using Master clubs as they should. So, instead if complaining or "backing down" from a challenge I said to myself, "I want to be in the top 100 some day so I better learn how to use Master clubs." Then, I played 3 hours a day every day on Masters and began to conquer them. Now, I love Master clubs and would never go back. I get so much more distance and can make many more birdies and eagles. Pro clubs are SAFE. A lot of people can shoot -17 or -18 in a round on Pro clubs. My goodness if there were only Pro clubs the leader board would be congested at the top and lucky shots would decide most winners. I don't want luck to decide winners. I want skill to decide winners. The issue isn't that they're too hard. The issue is that masters clubs behave differently across platforms, so its not a level playing field. Pro clubs behave the same, HB screwed up the masters clubs implementation. Forcing pro clubs is about leveling the playing field. |
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Post by gdog on Aug 9, 2019 8:54:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure what % of master club users would quit tgctours if they were forced to use pro clubs but it'd be pretty high.
As someone with 1200hours using master clubs, I'm won't be switching to a clubset I have at best a few hours playtime with.
Are we really going to tell 700 master club users they can't play with their desired difficulty anymore?
And even if we do ban master clubs. Pro clubs still favour certain platforms.
It may be closer but it's far from the epitome of balance some are claiming.
Let's wait it out til the next game. Do proper and full testing before a season starts on there and address it based on those stats.
Or
We could boycott TGC2019 for season 6 and post over there as a community asking for a fix.
No tournaments, no private matches. Nothing. They may get the message.
This is all HB's doing and they should be the one to fix this.
There's been many games I have purchased on multiple platforms.
There may have been some graphical improvements between some versions, but they always played the same.
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Post by titaneddie on Aug 9, 2019 9:07:58 GMT -5
This is all HB's doing and they should be the one to fix this. There's been many games I have purchased on multiple platforms. There may have been some graphical improvements between some versions, but they always played the same. Actually think they're just choosing to bury their heads in the sand on this one. When i asked about % of users of clubsets across the platforms they said its pretty close to the same and that "all" data and feedback they get line up the same across the platforms...so....yeah....didn't bother with the up follow question about differences in masters clubs cause i doubt an answer was coming. |
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Post by CuseHokie on Aug 9, 2019 9:11:13 GMT -5
I think the reason we're seeing folks using masters ask for pro clubs is because the system at the top exposes the brokenness of the game.
If the admin team had a way to filter the flickers and put them into their own parallel tour, then by all means keep master clubs going.
It's quite evident that there's a disparaging gap - as exhibited by the top25 in Fedex this year.
Not to mention the cross-platform gap, pro clubs could close that somewhat.
In other words, I know what we have in TGC2019 with this past season on TGCTours. I'm for not doing the same thing again? Is that pro-clubs only? Is that admin filtering? Maybe random "sampling" of video uploads? Perhaps only at the highest level (PGA)?
A large majority just wants an equal playing ground where they can compete. We don't have that today...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 9:12:31 GMT -5
It is all a complete mess right now. We never had any of these problems 5 years ago.
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