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Post by Doyley on Jul 29, 2019 14:31:43 GMT -5
Hey fellow Challenge Circuit members - just looking for some feedback on how you're enjoying this season since our latest additions of filtered leaderboards and promotion logic changes to CC-A to give the edge to Master clubs there.
Any suggestions for improving your experience on the Challenge Circuit?
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Post by jwtexan on Jul 29, 2019 14:41:34 GMT -5
I've enjoyed my time in CC-A, although I have struggled. Started out with Master clubs, quickly got 3 demotion marks, and have been using Pro clubs to try and fight them off (finish top 100) to get back to even. I see no incentive to use Master clubs once you have any kind of demo mark though. Will I be more likely to finish top 100 with master or pro clubs? Probably pro.
Once I do get back to even, the plan was to once again switch to Master clubs to take advantage of the 15/5 promo mark split. I don't see any problem with that, because if I want to compete at a higher level I should be forced to prove myself with Master clubs first. If I can't do that, then I think that means the system has placed me exactly where I should be anyway.
The new split leaderboard is a fun twist to see where I stand with fellow xboxers each week too, thanks for adding that feature.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 29, 2019 15:22:23 GMT -5
For my little (3 months) experience, I can say simply that cc pro seems to be almost perfect, thanks the efforts of all people involved (admins, schedulers, reviewers, rangers etc). The competition is good, as for the courses selection, no counting all the little and big tweaks created in these months. Really a fantastic work. Really happy to be part of this. In these days some proposal has been discussed here and there in some thread, but (even if they could be judged as good proposals) I have not the knowledge to judge if it would be actually possible to implement them. So said, the change in the promo mark logic seems to be a great improvement. Some pro clubs player in cca seems to be not too happy cause they are "forced" to be promoted, at some point, so in the suggestion box there's a proposal made by pc17 that it could be interesting, maybe. But again, I can't judge it correctly.
Egoistically, maybe my only request for the next season, being a lover of stats, it could be if is possible to add in the stats the medium scores in par3, par 5, par 4?
Ah..i have also a question. At the restart of the season,do every promo/demo mark collected disappears, is correct?
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Post by Doyley on Jul 29, 2019 17:27:11 GMT -5
Egoistically, maybe my only request for the next season, being a lover of stats, it could be if is possible to add in the stats the medium scores in par3, par 5, par 4? I'll add that to the stat requests - thxAh..i have also a question. At the restart of the season,do every promo/demo mark collected disappears, is correct? Yes, everyone starts a new season with a clean slate
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Jul 29, 2019 17:30:43 GMT -5
I think the CC flights are fine, I like the way the promotions are set up in CC-A. I do find earning a promotion harder than it was last season, but that'll be down to me being inconsistent. As jwtexan said I'm one who will also flit between master and pro clubs, but I do realise that may cause a jam of players in CC-A.
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Post by Doyley on Jul 29, 2019 17:44:18 GMT -5
Did the filtered leaderboards alleviate any issues people had with competing alongside Pro and Master Club users?
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whiz03
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 100
TGCT Name: Glenn True
Tour: Challenge Circuit
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Post by whiz03 on Jul 29, 2019 18:04:30 GMT -5
A big NO to that question. there should be separate tournaments per clubs used, one for pro and one for master clubs, There was big discussion about a while back on the fourms.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 29, 2019 18:30:38 GMT -5
Uh..thanks for the answer. Maybe I could have another request, always about stats. I hope I can explain well enough what I mean...and i hope I'm understanding well how things are working right now. Maybe my idea is just stupid. This week I have been promoted to cc-b. I have still to start my first round in this flight. If I check in the stats page right now, I'm no more on cc-c and, obviously, I'm still not on cc-b. Then, if I understand well how it works, this means that all my stats about my career in cc-c, will be not showed anymore (unless i will be demoted again in cc-c, I suppose). If all this is correct, it means that actually it's as if they don't exists and my stats will have a fresh start every time i'll be promoted. My % of FIR, GIR, Scramble etc..will start again from zero, taking no count of what my % has been in cc-c. If all this is correct, it would be possible to create a page of stats (also for the advanced) that take count of the career of a player in all the cc pro flights? Something in the shape of the money list, more or less. A page in which are showed the stats of every player "crossing over" all the promotion and demotion in a season. It would be funny to have a visual of all the career in the challenge tour. After all, we plays the same courses with the same settings, we share everything, actually, so a comparison it would be not so senseless, if is possible to have this kind of data. I hope I explained well what I mean. And...Thank you for the patience.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 29, 2019 18:44:58 GMT -5
A big NO to that question. there should be separate tournaments per clubs used, one for pro and one for master clubs, There was big discussion about a while back on the fourms. I would be not so negative. Obviously this can't be the definitive solution to the problem, but all we were fully aware of this from the start, when this change has been implemented. But is a bit unfair to say that this change don't alleviate the problem at all. I think is a great step in the right direction, maybe the best move possible, considering that the problem is not related to this tour, but to the game. Furthermore, now that we have the chance to visualize the standings looking at the system used by the players, I can also say that the competition level of the much more damaged who are using master clubs (Xbox players) is generally pretty high. And please believe me, saying all this I don't want to say that the idea to separate completely the tour between master and pro clubs users, has no more reason to exist. I wish just to punctualize that it would be ungenerous to say that we had no benefit at all by this change.
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whiz03
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 100
TGCT Name: Glenn True
Tour: Challenge Circuit
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Post by whiz03 on Jul 29, 2019 19:10:19 GMT -5
Oh I appreciate that you can now separate them om the leader boards, but that's just a visual implementation. not a tournament implementation where it needs to be.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 29, 2019 21:06:42 GMT -5
Oh I appreciate that you can now separate them om the leader boards, but that's just a visual implementation. not a tournament implementation where it needs to be. Sorry, cause I misunderstood completely what you're talking about. I was thinking that Doyley was asking about the change in the promo mark logic. My bad. Sorry again. About the separation between master and pro clubs, you know in my opinion what is the real problem? I'm a PC player and I use a ps4 controller via steam. I'm pretty satisfied and actually I use pro clubs, cause I think is the faster way to be promoted (the only thing in which I'm interested), at least until I'll reach the cc-a, then I'll switch to master clubs. And I already saw that master clubs are harder but on PC is still really possible to play. There are only a couple of random superfast or, mainly, super slow downswing, really disturbing but..well. Nothing compared with the issues of Xbox users, clearly explained by data and stats. Now..a pair of months ago my little bro bought the game for the ps4, so I tried it when I come to the house of my parents, cause I was curious about this discussion and I wanted to test it. And well..is just another game. I can say that the master clubs on a ps4 are like using pro clubs on PC. And the pro clubs is ridiculously easy to menage. Almost unbelievable. It was the same controller I use on pc, but he just appeared as another game. Definitely. At least now I know why ps4 players generally dominates the standings. But I don't care, now. I told you all this story, just to say that to have a real fair competition, is not enough to separate pro and master clubs. We should also separate per system. Obviously this would be the dead of this tour. But I'm sure that even separating the tour per clubs, the complaints would never ends anyway. I'm absolutely sure of this. Reality is that, especially if a new game is not really near, it would be the hb to solve this problem. Now. Cause they should already did it months ago. Without some kind of patch, I don't believe we can really do something that can fully equilibrate the things, sadly.
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ffrog
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 247
TGCT Name: Dave Richards
Tour: Challenge Circuit
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Post by ffrog on Jul 30, 2019 8:17:57 GMT -5
I think the new promotion logic was an excellent change, not just in cca, but the change to 10/10 in ccb downwards.
My interests are generally at the other end of the table though, it would be nice if something similar could be done to demotion logic.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Jul 30, 2019 8:18:49 GMT -5
ezzinomilonga you can view your tournament scores and stats from previous flights via the drop down menu on your Tour Profile.
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Post by ksmith851 on Jul 30, 2019 11:14:55 GMT -5
My only suggestion (I’m pretty new here) is to change the removal of a demo mark to require a 2nd-50th finish. It is too easy to get top 100 and this would have more player movement (downward I suppose). When I got my first demo mark, the next week I was top 10 after 2 rounds and felt that the last 2 rounds were pointless to even play because unless I won, which was unlikely, my final score didn’t matter anyway. Just my thoughts.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 30, 2019 12:07:22 GMT -5
ezzinomilonga you can view your tournament scores and stats from previous flights via the drop down menu on your Tour Profile. I know it, but I mean a different thing. I wish to have one page in which is possibly to see all the stats of all the players of all the 4 flights of the cc-pro, just for the curiosity to make some comparison. Just as it works the money list's page. But I noticed also that it seems i was wrong about how stats works : While the first page of stats regards only the tour in which you actually play, the advanced stats seems it shows the stats of your whole career in cc. I'm still not sure about this, cause i have to wait the end of this tournament to verify it on my stats, but i saw the stats of a guy who was in cc-c like me and now plays in b..and are reported all the holes he played, not just those played in cc-b. If it is possible, it would be beautiful to have this same page, just with all the cc players in.
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