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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 13:40:43 GMT -5
For those of you that think HB somehow installed some scripting/coding that makes the swing go off perfect perfect, please explain to me when this happens. What I mean is, if it is scripted then there is a set time that this happens, so is it every 30 swings, 100 perhaps, maybe every..... Does not make sense for the game to have a random swing as there are many computers using the software and it would be happening regularly for every one. I have had the very slow swing pop up but it is, maybe, every 5 games I play and it is usually just one swing. To prove my point, play a round by yourself and use guest players. If one of your players has a bad swing then according to you guys, the other guest players will also have the bad swing at the same time. If not, then it is you the player and your controller and not some hidden mystery coding by HB. I think on the Xbox it is FPS that causes issues. I made a post about on the HB forums. Basically the last time the loading icon went nuts ( I love how they put it right below the golfer) I checked the bandwidth usage on the Xbox and it was crazy high for that hour. You can see below at the 1 pm to 2 pm mark it is very high. My guess is something on their server is causing this which in turn causes FPS drops. Of course they never answered my questions. I am also not an expert in online connections and gaming but I do have a solid connection with fiber and under 30ms latency. There is definitely something going on with the Xbox though. Anyone that plays TGC a lot will tell you that everything is fine and then boom you get a VF or Slow swing when you know you did not cause it.   |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 15:02:39 GMT -5
Now I must be one of the few that finds it more difficult to hit a straight line in the game than get a perfect tempo, on PC here and I don't see these tempo problems at all that others complain about. The only problem I have with the game is the crazy amount of disconnects I get.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 17:04:45 GMT -5
Xbox is well documented that it's harder than the other platforms. Not really a complaint.
On the flip side I am glad I am on the harder console. I like the fear or hitting a VF or a slow. Makes for some nice risk reward.
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Post by pc17 on Jul 23, 2019 5:40:13 GMT -5
For those of you that think HB somehow installed some scripting/coding that makes the swing go off perfect perfect, please explain to me when this happens. What I mean is, if it is scripted then there is a set time that this happens, so is it every 30 swings, 100 perhaps, maybe every..... Does not make sense for the game to have a random swing as there are many computers using the software and it would be happening regularly for every one. I have had the very slow swing pop up but it is, maybe, every 5 games I play and it is usually just one swing. To prove my point, play a round by yourself and use guest players. If one of your players has a bad swing then according to you guys, the other guest players will also have the bad swing at the same time. If not, then it is you the player and your controller and not some hidden mystery coding by HB. I don't think it's quite as simple as counting the number of shots before a tempo issue occurs. It has more to do with the elements facing your next shot that influences tempo issues. I bought TGC2019 on release, and the one shot I've never received with a driver in hundreds of rounds is a very slow swing. Every drive I've hit has always been either perfect or fast. Now let's look at my 3rd round in last weeks Web.com. I started pretty well, scoring -4 after 6 holes. Standing on the 7th tee, looking at a fairly easy drive down the fairway, I hit my drive the same as I've always done, but on this occasion I received a very slow downswing. Ball flies way right into water, instant bogey. After this round I went to the drive range and couldn't hit a very slow swing with a driver, no matter how hard I tried. I'm always amazed, that whenever I receive a very slow/very fast swing, my ball always lands either in water, bunker, behind some obstacle that I can't hit over or around or it simply lands out-of-bounds. It never just lands in the rough somewhere that at least gives me the chance to get a par. This has happened far too many times to be just a coincidence. |
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Post by cliffs on Jul 23, 2019 6:04:57 GMT -5
For those of you that think HB somehow installed some scripting/coding that makes the swing go off perfect perfect, please explain to me when this happens. What I mean is, if it is scripted then there is a set time that this happens, so is it every 30 swings, 100 perhaps, maybe every..... Does not make sense for the game to have a random swing as there are many computers using the software and it would be happening regularly for every one. I have had the very slow swing pop up but it is, maybe, every 5 games I play and it is usually just one swing. To prove my point, play a round by yourself and use guest players. If one of your players has a bad swing then according to you guys, the other guest players will also have the bad swing at the same time. If not, then it is you the player and your controller and not some hidden mystery coding by HB. I don't think it's quite as simple as counting the number of shots before a tempo issue occurs. It has more to do with the elements facing your next shot that influences tempo issues. I bought TGC2019 on release, and the one shot I've never received with a driver in hundreds of rounds is a very slow swing. Every drive I've hit has always been either perfect or fast. Now let's look at my 3rd round in last weeks Web.com. I started pretty well, scoring -4 after 6 holes. Standing on the 7th tee, looking at a fairly easy drive down the fairway, I hit my drive the same as I've always done, but on this occasion I received a very slow downswing. Ball flies way right into water, instant bogey. After this round I went to the drive range and couldn't hit a very slow swing with a driver, no matter how hard I tried. I'm always amazed, that whenever I receive a very slow/very fast swing, my ball always lands either in water, bunker, behind some obstacle that I can't hit over or around or it simply lands out-of-bounds. It never just lands in the rough somewhere that at least gives me the chance to get a par. This has happened far too many times to be just a coincidence. So when is it you are getting all these very slow swings - (that whenever I receive a very slow/very fast swing after saying this - the one shot I've never received with a driver in hundreds of rounds is a very slow swing.)? As for where the ball lands, I will never buy into that theory. It lands where it lands. I have had very slow swings on the driving range. Actually, go to the range and see how many balls you have to hit before you don't get perfect perfect. |
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Post by pc17 on Jul 23, 2019 9:14:34 GMT -5
I don't think it's quite as simple as counting the number of shots before a tempo issue occurs. It has more to do with the elements facing your next shot that influences tempo issues. I bought TGC2019 on release, and the one shot I've never received with a driver in hundreds of rounds is a very slow swing. Every drive I've hit has always been either perfect or fast. Now let's look at my 3rd round in last weeks Web.com. I started pretty well, scoring -4 after 6 holes. Standing on the 7th tee, looking at a fairly easy drive down the fairway, I hit my drive the same as I've always done, but on this occasion I received a very slow downswing. Ball flies way right into water, instant bogey. After this round I went to the drive range and couldn't hit a very slow swing with a driver, no matter how hard I tried. I'm always amazed, that whenever I receive a very slow/very fast swing, my ball always lands either in water, bunker, behind some obstacle that I can't hit over or around or it simply lands out-of-bounds. It never just lands in the rough somewhere that at least gives me the chance to get a par. This has happened far too many times to be just a coincidence. So when is it you are getting all these very slow swings - (that whenever I receive a very slow/very fast swing after saying this - the one shot I've never received with a driver in hundreds of rounds is a very slow swing.)? As for where the ball lands, I will never buy into that theory. It lands where it lands. I have had very slow swings on the driving range. Actually, go to the range and see how many balls you have to hit before you don't get perfect perfect. I for one would love to think that all tempo issues I receive was down to me. If I could see clearly that it was something I was doing wrong, I would accept it, move on, go to the range and try and sort my problem out. But how can you hit a very slow swing and then hit a very fast swing and have no idea what you did different.You have nothing to work on. |
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Post by cliffs on Jul 23, 2019 9:27:46 GMT -5
In the end we will probably never figure it out as HB is mum on the subject
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Post by cephyn on Jul 23, 2019 9:31:40 GMT -5
While I agree that there's not enough feedback sometimes - I think on the driving range, it should tell you all the stats you need to know about timing - you can sorta tease it out yourself. Go to the driving range and start trying to deliberately hit all the different tempo combinations. you may find that it doesn't work the way you thought it did, and when you 'get it' and can produce any swing you want, you'll understand how you get different swings even though you 'didn't do anything different' - you probably actually did, you just weren't paying attention to the part of the swing you should have been.
this is not a simple game, just as swinging a club IRL isn't really that simple. get on the range, learn what bad swings feel like and you'll understand better how to get perfect/perfects.
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Post by cliffs on Jul 23, 2019 11:18:06 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Exactly. I just finished a round and the only very slow I got were when chipping. I try to use partial shots, so if I don't hit a perfect backswing on a 3/4 chip, i get very slow. If I push forward faster than I should have...fast.
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Post by cephyn on Jul 23, 2019 11:24:59 GMT -5
It's important to understand too that its nearly impossible to get perfect/perfect on partial shots. May even be completely impossible - the transition from backswing to downswing will always be fast.
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Post by pc17 on Jul 23, 2019 11:44:26 GMT -5
While I agree that there's not enough feedback sometimes - I think on the driving range, it should tell you all the stats you need to know about timing - you can sorta tease it out yourself. Go to the driving range and start trying to deliberately hit all the different tempo combinations. you may find that it doesn't work the way you thought it did, and when you 'get it' and can produce any swing you want, you'll understand how you get different swings even though you 'didn't do anything different' - you probably actually did, you just weren't paying attention to the part of the swing you should have been. this is not a simple game, just as swinging a club IRL isn't really that simple. get on the range, learn what bad swings feel like and you'll understand better how to get perfect/perfects. Yes, I have to agree. But if the parameters for the swing are changing on a daily bases, then no matter how much you practice you'll never get it right. Whenever I start a new round, I always have a few practice swings to see if anything is different. It's surprising how many practice swings I have to hit before the tempo starts to settles down. |
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Post by cephyn on Jul 23, 2019 12:01:44 GMT -5
Parameters haven't changed since early 2019. HB doesn't work on this game anymore, and haven't for a very long time. It's in your head, or your framerate is unstable.
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Post by pc17 on Jul 24, 2019 10:48:09 GMT -5
Parameters haven't changed since early 2019. HB doesn't work on this game anymore, and haven't for a very long time. It's in your head, or your framerate is unstable. HB don't have to intervene, it's built into the code. I was building random coding into most of my games many, many years ago with simple basic. |
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Post by cephyn on Jul 24, 2019 10:50:44 GMT -5
Parameters haven't changed since early 2019. HB doesn't work on this game anymore, and haven't for a very long time. It's in your head, or your framerate is unstable. HB don't have to intervene, it's built into the code. I was building random coding into most of my games many, many years ago with simple basic. Given how consistent many of the top players are - I don't buy that conspiracy theory. |
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Post by lessthanbread on Jul 24, 2019 11:50:28 GMT -5
Last night I decided to spend some time on the driving range and discovered a big issue I'm having is when getting "slow" downswings, my way of trying to fix that was to speed up my transition from backswing to downswing and that actually made the problem worse. (Still not sure why)
I started waiting until the golfer reached the top of the backswing, and just as he did, then bring the stick forward. Now I'm getting more and more perfect-perfects.
So it actually helps my "slow" downswing to do a slower transition from backswing to downswing.
That's really why I wanted to start this thread is to dive into exactly what the swing mechanism is and how the game reads the stick input and decides what is slow, perfect, and fast
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