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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 19, 2019 6:38:18 GMT -5
I can just imagine, cause I'm not a designer. But I'm absolutely sure that to create a RCR has to be something..yes, draining is the best word, I suppose.
And I also understand, now that I'm slowly checking every course with the satellite map, why so many courses that we usually consider as accurate RCR, actually are not so accurate at all. Especially the shape of greens and bunkers, is something that only a few number of designers have the patience to recreate in the proper way. And I understand why this happens.
Not counting the fact that accuracy is not enough. You also should to work for days..maybe weeks, just on planting and light and everything can help trying to catch the atmosphere. And this is something that almost nobody tries (or know how) to do, cause it requires too many patience, time, a specific talent that not anybody can have.
The lidar can be a great help, but just to give some more time to spend in planting and sculpting, or it could becomes a machine to produce poor courses (and the majority are often not so good looking even for this reason. No counting the issues with the plantmeter)
About the PC..it offers a lot of good things (I have not tv..and is almost 20 years now..pc is my stereo, my cinema..is great if you think on this kind of things), but it needs to learn a lot of things to be used properly..and it has always some stupid problem that you have to solve. Is a continuous fight. As always, anything has pro and cons.
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Post by reebdoog on Jul 26, 2019 15:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by Royce on Sept 19, 2019 8:49:16 GMT -5
Really great course Joe, love the design and the course is exceptionally clean looking (smooth sculpting, clean edges, excellent planting etc). Great job using OOB on certain holes (bit me in the ass a few times over 4 rounds due to poorly executed swings). The planting you did with long grasses was also great, offered very nice views off the tee. Overall one of the very best courses I've played in this game, you really know how to utilize the designer tools! Well done mate.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Sept 19, 2019 17:43:33 GMT -5
Joe, do you know something about the work of a designer (I can't see the name, cause he plays or on ps4 or Xbox) i found checking for your course? I typed "Raynor" and I find your course, the two courses made by theclv..and this "Raynor...(Tour)" (i don't remember the full name right now, sorry, but is the only course that shows a Biarritz in the pic, so..)
Being curious I checked the designer's other works..and he created 4 courses. And they seems to be pretty well made and, looking at their names, also to be related in some way to golden age's courses..and it sounds interesting, but i still had not the chance to play them, so I was curious if you did..if you know the designer or if you already noticed these courses.
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 21, 2019 3:25:31 GMT -5
Joe, do you know something about the work of a designer (I can't see the name, cause he plays or on ps4 or Xbox) i found checking for your course? I typed "Raynor" and I find your course, the two courses made by theclv..and this "Raynor...(Tour)" (i don't remember the full name right now, sorry, but is the only course that shows a Biarritz in the pic, so..) Being curious I checked the designer's other works..and he created 4 courses. And they seems to be pretty well made and, looking at their names, also to be related in some way to golden age's courses..and it sounds interesting, but i still had not the chance to play them, so I was curious if you did..if you know the designer or if you already noticed these courses. I did stumble across that whilst searching and have played it. It's pretty average and most of the holes aren't actually templates, they have just adopted Raynors geometric style. It's worth a try if you like that sort of thing. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Sept 21, 2019 4:04:57 GMT -5
Joe, do you know something about the work of a designer (I can't see the name, cause he plays or on ps4 or Xbox) i found checking for your course? I typed "Raynor" and I find your course, the two courses made by theclv..and this "Raynor...(Tour)" (i don't remember the full name right now, sorry, but is the only course that shows a Biarritz in the pic, so..) Being curious I checked the designer's other works..and he created 4 courses. And they seems to be pretty well made and, looking at their names, also to be related in some way to golden age's courses..and it sounds interesting, but i still had not the chance to play them, so I was curious if you did..if you know the designer or if you already noticed these courses. I did stumble across that whilst searching and have played it. It's pretty average and most of the holes aren't actually templates, they have just adopted Raynors geometric style. It's worth a try if you like that sort of thing. Nah..i prefer to wait for the works that really deserves to be played. Is not enough to copy/paste some template to make it works. I was just curious, it was looking promising by the pic, but I fully trust your judgement, the mine is no needed. Anyway..your course is really blowing my mind. Between practice rounds and tournament, I played your course a dozen of times and everytime I appreciated it a bit much more. Is a fantastic course. It requires to be focused at 120%. Everytime. Really great. Thank you for this, is a real gift. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Sept 21, 2019 8:10:34 GMT -5
As a side note, I think that the left side of the green of the 3rd par 3, is some inch too much reclined to the right. Is just some inch, but with fast greens it became a nightmare. I don't know if someone founds a solution. I'll try it another pair of times to verify if I'm wrong, but with the 4th pin it seems I can't find a place where to aim the ball, safe enough not for a birdie, but just for a not too difficult par save. I already noticed this thing playing the second pin, but being it placed near to the end of the green, I solved aiming way before and to the left of it and leave to me an hard but doable putt. I did it in practice and it worked ( but in the tournament's round my swing was slightly to the right and the ball ended in fringe, 15 meters to the right and I saved all with a chip&short putt). But now I'm practicing pin 4, and with the pin so near the start of the green, it seems there is not a cure. If I try to play "safe", aiming the right of the pin, no matter what the ball rolls 17 meters down to the center of the green. And the putt is also 1 meter uphill, is really tough..but still doable. But if I shot to the left (and there is in any case a huge risk to stay short to the green) with almost not a chance to stay less than 20 foot from the pin, anyway, then i should have a downhill putt in which, if the ball goes even slightly above the pin, my returning putt to save the par will be again from 17 meters to the pin. I don't know how many feet are 17 meters..but they are a lot, I swear  Maybe it would be a bit better if for pin 2 and 4 the speed foe the tournament was medium. Or maybe, trying some other time, I'll find a place reachable where to stay safe..i'll try some other time, before to start my last round |
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 21, 2019 8:23:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure at what speeds the greens were set, but I did advise the scheduler to play the course as it is already and to stay clear of very high winds. Firm and max speeds are slightly over the top for this course.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Sept 21, 2019 12:12:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure at what speeds the greens were set, but I did advise the scheduler to play the course as it is already and to stay clear of very high winds. Firm and max speeds are slightly over the top for this course. Speed and firmness are fine, I'm testing it with the default conditions cause I believe will be those used for the last round. Anyway I solved it, studying a bit. Or, to better say, I decided what is the only strategy possible for this hole. Just to talk, and please take this chat just as a note, cause I know you appreciate feedbacks and maybe you can explain to me something I can see about this hole..but this is for me maybe the only hole/pin position upon 72, in which the difficulty is honestly a bit too much. And the idea behind the risk&reward system, seems don't working here. I mean.. in the Biarritz hole (just for example) the 4th pin is devilish, cause if you go short or to the left, you are in great troubles. But you have clearly the chance to play safe, aiming a bit longer and/or to the right and is possible to do it easily. You'll probably score a par, but it was your choice to don't risk and is fine. If you miss to go long and/or right, is your fault, you had a safe choice, anyway. With this hole is different. You have not a "safe way". You can't play short, probably you'll try to avoid in every way to play to the left, cause if the ball goes to the left out of the green, your tournament is probably over, cause I can't imagine a score different from a double if not worst..but then, if you decide to play to the right and you miss the pin by 2 meters (maybe less), your ball ends 17 meters from the pin, 1 meter downhill. So you have actually a portion really too little where to place your ball safely, exactly in front to the pin..and just to have still a quite hard putt. In all this, even if you're crazy enough to aim to the left of the pin, you have a putt in which, if you pass the pin, again 17 meters etc.. I mean..I tried this pin 3 times and scored a birdie and two par, but the birdie was a lucky putt from 5/6 meters (front of the pin), the two pars were after a first putt from 17 meters etc. Now..i don't know from where the wind will blows on the 4th round..or the speed (the setting says simply medium wind, no direction)..but it could be really a nightmare. My point is just this..while in every other pin you have the chance to play safe and to not be punished, if you don't want (or can't) to risk..here is more a matters of luck than ability or strategy. Just this, I suppose. I'm wrong assuming this? Or maybe there is something I can't see about a safer place where to aim? |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Sept 21, 2019 18:40:26 GMT -5
Muhahahah..do you know? After so much talking..i scored two aces on my fourth round. One in this hole..and one in the Biarritz. Absolutely crazy!  The great luck on this hole has been the wind direction, directly against my face for the first time after 4 times I tried this hole..and then perfect to risk the shot to the pin. A lucky guy.. |
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Post by cplampman on Nov 4, 2019 8:15:41 GMT -5
I played this a while back before really getting into the designer and thought it was pretty good. But man, after getting into the designer, I REALLY love this course and appreciate what you did here. The angles, bunker placements, and greens are just top notch.
Great job and I look forward to playing more of your courses.
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Post by joegolferg on Nov 5, 2019 11:36:07 GMT -5
I played this a while back before really getting into the designer and thought it was pretty good. But man, after getting into the designer, I REALLY love this course and appreciate what you did here. The angles, bunker placements, and greens are just top notch. Great job and I look forward to playing more of your courses. Thanks mate. Glad you enjoyed the course and it's design style. I have quite a few published in this similar style and others before I got into the templates. I'll list them for you to try. Template courses: Charleston Hall Greenbrier CC Greenbrier CC East Southern Straits NJ National Briarcliff Hollow Cincinnati Club Non template courses: The Heritage GC West Country GC TPC Oakwind 👍 |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Nov 5, 2019 13:35:25 GMT -5
Seriously Joe, after almost 7 months of play, I can say i still can't find courses created by designers that I can appreciate more than yours in terms of..well..general enjoyment while I play, I suppose.
In terms of playability, respect of the risk/reward "rule", fairness in every condition and always funny challenge on pin positions, your courses are simply masterpieces.
For me, you're a wizard of golf architecture.
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Post by joegolferg on Nov 8, 2019 15:53:12 GMT -5
Seriously Joe, after almost 7 months of play, I can say i still can't find courses created by designers that I can appreciate more than yours in terms of..well..general enjoyment while I play, I suppose. In terms of playability, respect of the risk/reward "rule", fairness in every condition and always funny challenge on pin positions, your courses are simply masterpieces. For me, you're a wizard of golf architecture. 😂 It's ok if you want to call me Gandalf. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Nov 8, 2019 16:12:31 GMT -5
Seriously Joe, after almost 7 months of play, I can say i still can't find courses created by designers that I can appreciate more than yours in terms of..well..general enjoyment while I play, I suppose. In terms of playability, respect of the risk/reward "rule", fairness in every condition and always funny challenge on pin positions, your courses are simply masterpieces. For me, you're a wizard of golf architecture. 😂 It's ok if you want to call me Gandalf. Or Victor |
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