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Post by kvand on Jun 6, 2019 19:15:26 GMT -5
I am doing a second course in the North Chicago area called Ivanhoe Club. The Lidar is the exact same for the Wynstone course I am currently working on. I copied and tried using the same files that I used for Wynstone. Is that able to be done? I also received the following message in the tool when I tried to run it through. Any help would be greatly appreciated..
Processing: ARRA-IL_LakeCo_2007_000001.laz
Problem looking up epsg with prj2epsg.org, try running the tool later.
Problem looking up epsg with prj2epsg.org, try running the tool later.
Problem looking up epsg with prj2epsg.org, try running the tool later.
Problem looking up epsg with prj2epsg.org, try running the tool later.
Problem looking up epsg with prj2epsg.org, try running the tool later.
Problem looking up epsg with prj2epsg.org, try running the tool later.
Problem looking up epsg with prj2epsg.org, try running the tool later.
Using metadata: ARRA-IL_LakeCo_2007_000008.xml
Could not determine lidar projection, please report an issue and send this lidar and metadata
Alternatively, look for something called EPSG Value in Metadata and provide EPSG and Conversion to Meters (1.0 for Meters, Approximately 0.3048 for Feet
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 13:41:04 GMT -5
You can't use the exact same FILES. It's just the exact same data set on a macro level I would assume.
Btw it looks like a very good course, one that I actually had on my list as a potential project. Good to see someone else picking this one!
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Post by kvand on Jun 7, 2019 13:50:56 GMT -5
You can't use the exact same FILES. It's just the exact same data set on a macro level I would assume. Btw it looks like a very good course, one that I actually had on my list as a potential project. Good to see someone else picking this one! [b Ahh...ok. I wondered about that. I’ll go in and get new files pulled from the national map. Yes, it looks like a very nice course. Wynstone is coming along pretty well too. I am going back through and redoing a lot of the fairways and greens and softening most of the terrains. I notice that the terrain in the designer is quite dramatic in some cases. I still haven’t figured out why the water didn’t get into the height map though. However, there seems to be enough of a depression to be able to get the water In. I’ll just have to do a lot of brushwork. Thank you for responding about the Lidar files. |
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Post by kvand on Jun 7, 2019 18:53:09 GMT -5
You can't use the exact same FILES. It's just the exact same data set on a macro level I would assume. Btw it looks like a very good course, one that I actually had on my list as a potential project. Good to see someone else picking this one! That worked.... thanks again for the response. So far the first 2 holes look very nice. Going to work on OSM. I still cannot get the water to pull over on the mask, which in turn doesn't show the depressed area in the design tool. ![]() like in the picture below.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 11:20:38 GMT -5
It never does that for little streams. It only seems to do that if the water area is at least a certain distance across i.e. ponds, lakes, and other large bodies of water.
Are you going to make all 27?
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Post by kvand on Jun 8, 2019 13:18:55 GMT -5
It never does that for little streams. It only seems to do that if the water area is at least a certain distance across i.e. ponds, lakes, and other large bodies of water. Are you going to make all 27? I would like to do all 27. I'll work through the tool and see if I can figure out how to do that. So far I have the 9 holes (Forest) done and into the designer in the game. I'm using the Countryside theme, which is looking awesome so far. I'm mapping the (Marsh) 9 now. Then I'll map the (Prairie) 9. I'm finding that the Esri World Imagery map seems to line up better with the Lidar and into the design tool. The images are a lot crisper to get better mapping. I'll get in and send some progress photos in the next few days. So, for the water...That is the issue I'm having. I haven't mapped any of the water for Ivanhoe yet, however when I did Wynstone, none of the ponds or lakes that I mapped came though on the mask, therefore they did not come through into the designer. There a barley any depressions at all for any of the ponds and lakes. The streams came through as expected showing the mulch areas in the configuration of the mapped area. The photo I sent was from an earlier version of the tool, that when I mapped the water areas ponds and lakes it created the large, deep depressions you see in the photo. I'm not sure if something changed in the tool, or if i'm not checking a box that I need too. Any thoughts on that? Or is this something maybe chadgolf would be able to help with? |
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Post by chadgolf on Jun 8, 2019 19:05:23 GMT -5
I would like to do all 27. I'll work through the tool and see if I can figure out how to do that. Add off the features in OSM, but either use the "hole name" filter or don't import holes at all. Then plant your entire course using one set of 18. Then you can use the export/import holes feature in the latest release to use the same plot for any combination of the 27 you want. So, for the water...That is the issue I'm having. I haven't mapped any of the water for Ivanhoe yet, however when I did Wynstone, none of the ponds or lakes that I mapped came though on the mask, therefore they did not come through into the designer. There a barley any depressions at all for any of the ponds and lakes. The streams came through as expected showing the mulch areas in the configuration of the mapped area. The photo I sent was from an earlier version of the tool, that when I mapped the water areas ponds and lakes it created the large, deep depressions you see in the photo. I'm not sure if something changed in the tool, or if i'm not checking a box that I need too. Any thoughts on that? Or is this something maybe chadgolf would be able to help with? There's a few options for water in order of how easy the water is, but how bad the edges will look. By default, if you do not modify additional boxes, it will only show what the actual lidar saw through the water. Sounds like your course has lakes that are artificial. They are only deep enough to be water hazards but not deep enough so the lidar can't see through. If you're talking about little rivers, they have to be entirely within the course on OSM to show up in the tool. I can't risk a spline going all the way outside of the plot and bugging out your whole course and you can't fix it. If you have background terrain on, this partially fills all water hazards but there should still be some depressions there. If you want the easiest water and can't sculpt at all, select "remove terrain below blue mask" and don't select background terrain. IF THERE IS NO BLUE ON YOUR MASK THIS WILL NOT WORK, YOU HAD TO DO THE ENTIRE OSM BEFORE IMPORTING THE LIDAR. But ultimately, water is hard and I can only handhold so far, so there always comes a point where you have to do it the old fashioned way to get an acceptable appearance. It's very obvious to the course critics around here when a water crutch was used and they don't like it much. |
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Post by kvand on Jun 8, 2019 19:29:29 GMT -5
I would like to do all 27. I'll work through the tool and see if I can figure out how to do that. Add off the features in OSM, but either use the "hole name" filter or don't import holes at all. Then plant your entire course using one set of 18. Then you can use the export/import holes feature in the latest release to use the same plot for any combination of the 27 you want. So, for the water...That is the issue I'm having. I haven't mapped any of the water for Ivanhoe yet, however when I did Wynstone, none of the ponds or lakes that I mapped came though on the mask, therefore they did not come through into the designer. There a barley any depressions at all for any of the ponds and lakes. The streams came through as expected showing the mulch areas in the configuration of the mapped area. The photo I sent was from an earlier version of the tool, that when I mapped the water areas ponds and lakes it created the large, deep depressions you see in the photo. I'm not sure if something changed in the tool, or if i'm not checking a box that I need too. Any thoughts on that? Or is this something maybe chadgolf would be able to help with? There's a few options for water in order of how easy the water is, but how bad the edges will look. By default, if you do not modify additional boxes, it will only show what the actual lidar saw through the water. Sounds like your course has lakes that are artificial. They are only deep enough to be water hazards but not deep enough so the lidar can't see through. If you're talking about little rivers, they have to be entirely within the course on OSM to show up in the tool. I can't risk a spline going all the way outside of the plot and bugging out your whole course and you can't fix it. If you have background terrain on, this partially fills all water hazards but there should still be some depressions there. If you want the easiest water and can't sculpt at all, select "remove terrain below blue mask" and don't select background terrain. IF THERE IS NO BLUE ON YOUR MASK THIS WILL NOT WORK, YOU HAD TO DO THE ENTIRE OSM BEFORE IMPORTING THE LIDAR. But ultimately, water is hard and I can only handhold so far, so there always comes a point where you have to do it the old fashioned way to get an acceptable appearance. It's very obvious to the course critics around here when a water crutch was used and they don't like it much. Chad, Thank you very much for the response. That explains a lot. Unfortunately I did import prior to doing the entire OSM. I'm going to have to do it the old fashioned way I guess. I wonder...could I mark them as water hazards, use the mulch area that the tool will put into the game and then sculpt them all and simply change the texture to a dark color, and then fill with water. I'll play around with it and see what happens. Worse case, I start the whole process over with new course and new Lidar..then at least I'll have a completed OSM  |
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Post by chadgolf on Jun 8, 2019 19:37:27 GMT -5
If you haven't done any other work on the course in the designer like planting, or fine sculpting, then just start over.
If you have, then you will lose that progress if you import OSM again.
The original idea for the water mulch splines is that they can guide your sculpting so you can fill them with water. Then you just delete the spline when you're done. You don't need to leave it in, it won't show up under the water anyway.
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Post by kvand on Jun 9, 2019 0:11:16 GMT -5
If you haven't done any other work on the course in the designer like planting, or fine sculpting, then just start over. If you have, then you will lose that progress if you import OSM again. The original idea for the water mulch splines is that they can guide your sculpting so you can fill them with water. Then you just delete the spline when you're done. You don't need to leave it in, it won't show up under the water anyway. That worked!!! thank you for walking me through!! So, now that I have it saved in game, how do I edit OSM without ruining what has been saved in game? |
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Post by chadgolf on Jun 9, 2019 22:09:55 GMT -5
If you've made any changes in game they will be lost. The idea is that you first find and import lidar, then complete your entire OSM, then take that complete course into the game for planting.
There are a few things you can do in the tool after you've planted like check the pins, scorecards, and tee yardages.
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Post by kvand on Jun 9, 2019 23:19:35 GMT -5
If you've made any changes in game they will be lost. The idea is that you first find and import lidar, then complete your entire OSM, then take that complete course into the game for planting. There are a few things you can do in the tool after you've planted like check the pins, scorecards, and tee yardages. I thought that may be the case. I went ahead and mapped everything I could think of...(wooded areas, grass prairie grass areas, etc..) I have it as good as I can, and have now started all the sculpting. I did all 27 holes, although I haven't even started to try and figure out how to switch the holes. Bye the way, the water worked very well. I have all water areas as blue masked and they all did what I was hoping. Now all I have to do is polish it all up. Thanks for all the help with answering questions. P.S I am looking at Scioto Country Club as a not so distant project. Would you be able to help with the lidar when the time comes? it seems that the Ohio lidar needs to have the EPS codes. I believe you are the one who did Muirfield...nice job on that. |
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Post by chadgolf on Jun 10, 2019 0:24:01 GMT -5
Be sure to download the latest release for the hole feature: chadrockey.github.io/TGC-Designer-Tools/You can now export the holes on a course into a separate file and reinsert them later. This helps with courses that may have 27 hole routing or two courses on the same plot. Now you can fix and polish just one course, and go back and forth between the two layouts. I try to ask that everyone make a new thread for each course they're working on and need help. It helps others find that information via search and Google better or even tells them the course is already done: tgctours.proboards.com/thread/18202/help-asking-me-epsg-code |
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Post by kvand on Jun 24, 2019 19:43:56 GMT -5
You can't use the exact same FILES. It's just the exact same data set on a macro level I would assume. Btw it looks like a very good course, one that I actually had on my list as a potential project. Good to see someone else picking this one! Just wanted to let you know, I published this just now. I published the Forest/ Marsh. Going back to work on the Prairie and hope to have it out soon. I plan to have all (3) 18 hole variations. Would love to hear what you think. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 23:00:25 GMT -5
Played 5 holes before closing down TGC for the night. Looks very nice!
I do wonder if the front part of the 3rd fairway maybe needed a few more spline points or maybe that's just the shape it is?
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