Straightening out in the wind ..Doyley

[billybudd0623]

Doyley or anyone...In playing practice rounds at Liberty Sound this week in very high winds, I started doing this and was wondering if the better players do this as well.( I am not one of the better players)
Say its a 15 mph R to L crosswind.  I use a mix of Doyley's clicks( less clicks than suggested) and then slice into this wind to straighten out the wind.   ( I can do this some in real life but have not previously tried this in the game)
I had success doing this in my practice rounds but it is still a work in progress for me as I learn how many clicks and how much slice or hook to use.  I find that I can get closer to the hole using this method than just using 'the clicks'.
In addition, I don't seem to get as much 'roll out',when it lands.

My question is this... am I late to the dance and everybody has already figured this out or do most just use Doyley's clicks ?  

Also, if this has been discussed already, disregard.

[Doyley]

Remember that it is just a guide and that should you find a way to do it better, by all means use it. I usually go with a hybrid of both depending on how much wind. The higher the wind the more likely I'll draw/fade into it to straighten it out. The lower the wind the more likely I'll use the clicks since I find them more accurate.

[billybudd0623]

Thanks for the reply. Hybrid works for me as well. You are very kind to offer your tips.
Bill

[Brionne]

I use draw/fade shots only to straighten out the wind.  I never adjust left or right for the wind..  I find the location of the green I want to ball to land, aim in that direction, then apply draw/fade to straighten out the wind

I'm nowhere near as good as Doyley, but it seems to work very well for me

[billybudd0623]

brionne, if you do not use the clicks or hybrid method, how do you determine, like for instance a 15 mph R to L crosswind, how many blocks or partial blocks to hit for this shot? (For the slice ) Do you have a measure for this? ( that you wouldn't mind sharing) Also is it my imagination or do these shots seem to sit quicker? ( less roll out) I have struggled with the cross winds since I started playing.

Thanks Bill

[Brionne]

Yeah I do have a measure for this and don't mind sharing.

For a crosswind, and as long as you're playing on level ground, I divide the first fade/draw boxes on either side of the center line in the loft graphic by 10, adjust for the wind accordingly and subtract 1.. where 1 unit of cross wind = 1 movement unit ..  For eg..  cross wind from right to left at 6mph.  I move the fade/draw to the right..  6mph - 1 move unit  = 5.... where 5 is obviously the middle of the first box.

Also note, the above is for the mid-range clubs.  The longer the club, the more severe the movement, and the opposite with the shorter clubs.  If you shank your shot while using fade or draw, you can say good bye to your ball..   so don't shank it.

I personally haven't noticed a difference in the ball roll out using these shots.  

It took me quite a long time to get used to playing this way and eventually developed the feel for it with plenty practice..  The danger of moving over 1 or 2 spaces too far can cause your ball to go way off course..  So I wouldn't try this in a tourney till you've got the hang of it. 

You might not even like this method..  I certainly didn't when I started trying it out.. 

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In non-competition rounds I rarely if ever use draw and fade to compensate for the wind, I have no formula, I try and guess. In competition I use both methods but have no formula and it's just a guess based on my experience and practice.

[AFCTUJacko]

I use the "aiming" method off the tee as i can't trust myself not to slice it if i narrow the cone too much. I'm pretty good at judging it, and obviously you have a whole fairway to aim at.

For Approach shots i use the draw/fade as it is theoretically much more consistent to do so and the target is much smaller. I think my scores have improved since i started using it

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Feb 16, 2015 16:45:03 GMT -5 AFCTUJacko said:

I use the "aiming" method off the tee as i can't trust myself not to slice it if i narrow the cone too much. I'm pretty good at judging it, and obviously you have a whole fairway to aim at.

For Approach shots i use the draw/fade as it is theoretically much more consistent to do so and the target is much smaller. I think my scores have improved since i started using it

That's an excellent point I failed to mention, I never draw and fade further then at most 3/4 of a box, it's a huge risk, hence the use of both methods.

[Brionne]

I've been practicing with the fade/draw nearly every day for the last 8 months or so..  So I think I got it pretty much dialed in..  And yet, I'm still not near as good as the top, top guys..  Like Steve, Taste, Doyley, Jimgem.. etc

Still competitive though

[misternic]

I get 2 or 3 horrid swings a round, and when I am playing for a fade/draw it kills me. I have gotten to parts of courses that the designers did not know were there.

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The wind is a pain i admit, when it comes to fading and drawing into it but my main concern is 5-15ft putts that have more than a slight break. I know this is irrelevant to this thread but i thought
i might bring it up as i struggle on these putts (skim edges a lot)

[Mitchblue]

I only fade or draw if a trees in the way of my approach shot. Or getting around a dogleg if it's a par 5, I went to get more distance on my driver.

[Brighttail]

I've started using the fade/Draw for stronger winds and wow.. what a difference it makes. Normally with a 15 mph wind right to left I'd aim 28 clicks to the right. The problem is the ball comes into the flag from the right and would roll a lot more than I was comfortable with. Fading/drawing against the wind, we can go back to the normal amount of roll for a 5 iron or a 3 iron. Really makes a difference.

Just scored -13 on Lion's Gate in 10-14mph!!

[mcbogga]

Feb 16, 2015 22:11:03 GMT -5 Brighttail said:

I've started using the fade/Draw for stronger winds and wow.. what a difference it makes. Normally with a 15 mph wind right to left I'd aim 28 clicks to the right. The problem is the ball comes into the flag from the right and would roll a lot more than I was comfortable with. Fading/drawing against the wind, we can go back to the normal amount of roll for a 5 iron or a 3 iron. Really makes a difference.

Just scored -13 on Lion's Gate in 10-14mph!!

Thought you turned off the straight shooter settings? ;-)