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Post by GW_Hope on Apr 25, 2019 5:19:21 GMT -5
It's effectively exactly the same. So rather than every shot being right down the middle, every shot was between 4-5 degrees right of middle. When someone is shooting straight, it's not the straightness itself that that gives them the advantage, it's the certainty of knowing that the ball will go in exactly the same direction every time. Edit: Bob PM'd me his chart and the accompanying swing line screenshots and well, never thought I'd say this but I think HB's api may be borked, or at the very least not fit for purpose. In my experience in the game, a sharp turn left towards the end of a swing (which Bob had on most shots) tends to pull the ball left, even when the swing is 95% right up to that last turn. Yet the api in his case shows virtually every shot right of centre, as though it were only counting the first part of the swing. For the purposes of distinguishing fair play, the API really needs to count total cumulative deviation of the controller stick, rather than weighing certain part of the swing more than others or averaging out or whatever. Someone who has a line that goes both left and right, yet the HB algorithm decides to average it out as straight, should not be given the same number on the api chart as an actual straight shooting controller. So this contradicts your analysis of short vs long deviation you discussed in the driving range, Am I wrong? You might say this is only an API deviation not ball flight and I would disagree. This shouldn’t be news to anyone, it’s been said multiple times. I’ve brought it up to HB but they just lock me down. I’ve also said before it would take a mass of people complaining on HB board for them to consider it an issue. To keep on point, looks like I made the cut. I didnt expect that. Edit: Darn it, I’ve been trying to stay out of this conversation. Just wore out and have learned to live with my full swing handicap. Nothing will change, so save your energy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 6:20:36 GMT -5
It's effectively exactly the same. So rather than every shot being right down the middle, every shot was between 4-5 degrees right of middle. When someone is shooting straight, it's not the straightness itself that that gives them the advantage, it's the certainty of knowing that the ball will go in exactly the same direction every time. Edit: Bob PM'd me his chart and the accompanying swing line screenshots and well, never thought I'd say this but I think HB's api may be borked, or at the very least not fit for purpose. In my experience in the game, a sharp turn left towards the end of a swing (which Bob had on most shots) tends to pull the ball left, even when the swing is 95% right up to that last turn. Yet the api in his case shows virtually every shot right of centre, as though it were only counting the first part of the swing. For the purposes of distinguishing fair play, the API really needs to count total cumulative deviation of the controller stick, rather than weighing certain part of the swing more than others or averaging out or whatever. Someone who has a line that goes both left and right, yet the HB algorithm decides to average it out as straight, should not be given the same number on the api chart as an actual straight shooting controller. So this contradicts your analysis of short vs long deviation you discussed in the driving range, Am I wrong? You might say this is only an API deviation not ball flight and I would disagree. This shouldn’t be news to anyone, it’s been said multiple times. I’ve brought it up to HB but they just lock me down. I’ve also said before it would take a mass of people complaining on HB board for them to consider it an issue. Not sure what short swinging specifically has to do with that? You can get multiple lines in one swing with full swings as well which produce bizarre results in the game, as I've seen many times myself. The api chart seems to show different directions results to the swing line screenshots based on in-game experience, but I obviously can't say that's explicitly down to short swinging, I'd need to see a direct comparison of full vs short swing data to even begin to make any kind of claim about it. Believe me I'd gladly agree if evidence is provided demonstrating that short swinging has some kind of unique effect (I just formed a completely different opinion of the api today after seeing weird results, so I'm not the kind of person who stays married to an idea if new evidence suggests otherwise!), but I haven't seen anything other than conjecture thus far when it comes to short swinging specifically.
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Post by GW_Hope on Apr 25, 2019 6:38:04 GMT -5
Larry, that is fair. I really don’t want to get into it. My response was impulsive. I too like to understand how things work and have done much testing. I will leave it with this. A person who pulls the stick back and pushes forward will have no issues with weird double lines and messed up api. That tells me that is how the game was designed. Previous designs incorporated artificial smoothing so to speak to mask these oddities. I’m out of this convo now.
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Post by ijs1543 on Apr 25, 2019 7:17:14 GMT -5
I made the cut, great game great course
started 3rd round but my ps4 had morphed in to an xbox and all i could hit was fast fast, wish i had one of these magic ps4s that suffer no tempo issues that people talk about.
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Post by effigydave80 on Apr 25, 2019 7:25:30 GMT -5
I made the cut, great game great course started 3rd round but my ps4 had morphed in to an xbox and all i could hit was fast fast, wish i had one of these magic ps4s that suffer no tempo issues that people talk about. It's those fast/fast swings which have me exclusively set my drives up to the right side of every fairway. I don't mind them as long as they're consistantly fast, luckily seem less prevelant with approcahes.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Apr 25, 2019 7:36:44 GMT -5
The api chart seems to show different directions results to the swing line screenshots based on in-game experience. I don't think this is true. I believe the accuracy values show negative for left of center and positive for right of center correctly. I'm happy to work with you to prove that.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Apr 25, 2019 7:47:36 GMT -5
Bummer that Bob left, he's always been one of the good guys.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Apr 25, 2019 7:57:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 8:18:03 GMT -5
The api chart seems to show different directions results to the swing line screenshots based on in-game experience. I don't think this is true. I believe the accuracy values show negative for left of center and positive for right of center correctly. I'm happy to work with you to prove that. Thanks Jeff - just to clarify, what I mean is I've seen results in-game in response to those weird 'sudden-change-in-direction' lines that seem like they give more weight to the final change to decide the ball's initial direction compared to the line up to that point. So when I saw the screenshots from Bob (pbuh) which had last-second ticks left despite starting right, I would have assumed the game sent those balls left rather than right, but the api chart just showed everything going right. And more generally it doesn't seem like a left/right chart makes sense anymore, since in the new game you can have one swing line that has 3+ directions, sometimes it can be weird sudden changes or it can be a curve, e.g. backswing starts going left, downswing starts right then curves back to centre, then left at the end. That kind of crazy swing (which surely cannot be produced by a straight shooting controller or script!) would end up being presented in the api chart at a single point as if it was left, right or straight, which would clearly not be an accurate representation. The screenshots in this thread are what I'm referring to, they made me wtf because the ball did not go as I'd expect. I'd love to see what the API chart would show for some of those shots! This one for instance was a huge push right, despite the line being entirely left of centre: If you've got the time and inclination, I'll record a round or two on one of the other TGCT societies when I get home tonight and see if I have any weird multi-direction lines - would it be possible to do something like me sending you a video of one of those and you can check and confirm if the api has decided whether it was a lefty or righty? Would be fascinating to see.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Apr 25, 2019 9:15:13 GMT -5
If you send me the round, hole, and shot numbers, I'll send you the corresponding Accuracy value and you can see how it matches up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 9:19:40 GMT -5
If you send me the round, hole, and shot numbers, I'll send you the corresponding Accuracy value and you can see how it matches up. Awesome, thanks Jeff! Will hopefully add a post in the FPP forum later tonight.
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Post by killahbeaz132 on Apr 25, 2019 9:40:18 GMT -5
-14 thru 2 rounds. My proximity to the hole was all off. Hit a bunch of perfect/fast swings that left me 25-35 ft instead of 5-15 ft. And these greens have a lot of subtle breaks that are hard to read so I have way more putts than I'm used to. I think I'll make the cut, but the course itself plays challenging in spots so I like the selection. The length tests the accuracy much more as well. Hopefully I'll hold on to make the cut. I'm pretty sure it'll get to at least -14, hopefully it doesn't go any further FWIW, in my honest opinion there's constructive criticism and then there's attacks just for the sake of being rude. I'm not blaming or accusing anyone of either, I just think guys need to be careful of how they say what they say. The same message can be conveyed in a way that's jovial or well-thought out and I think that if the messages are kept that way in these forums, it would be a lot more pleasant. Again, please nobody take that personally. I'm just speaking in generalities. I think we have a great group of guys and even though I just recently started posting more in the forums, I've been watching them for a while as I've been trying to rise thru the ranks and I know that mostly all of you guys are top-class. I just hate to see people leaving or getting kicked out when we don't need to take it down those dark roads.
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Post by blueorfe on Apr 25, 2019 10:29:56 GMT -5
Haven't quite finished yet. Stinking the place up anyway, but just want to leave this image here as I flopped this shot from 99 + 4 feet up as I could not reach the hole with my putter.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Apr 25, 2019 11:28:01 GMT -5
Haven't quite finished yet. Stinking the place up anyway, but just want to leave this image here as I flopped this shot from 99 + 4 feet up as I could not reach the hole with my putter. Stinking up the place.. ***checks and see he's on 1st page of the leaderboard***
I hope one day to consistently "stink it up" as well as Bradley Garcia!
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Post by CuseHokie on Apr 25, 2019 11:58:49 GMT -5
Haven't quite finished yet. Stinking the place up anyway, but just want to leave this image here as I flopped this shot from 99 + 4 feet up as I could not reach the hole with my putter. So either you broke the TGCT rules, the designer stinks, or maybe we come up with a better rule for this situation?
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