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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 0:25:45 GMT -5
I've seen this claim made a bunch of times, that you can be offline by quite a bit and a short swing somehow gives you a bullet straight ball flight no matter what, while a similar full swing line would be multiple boxes wide (I've seen people claim as many as 8 boxes lol). Here's a vid proving, as most rational people would have assumed, that this claim is total horses**t: I can't short swing on command but it happens every now and then, and I've got this one recorded. Line was right of the cone, ball went significantly right, exactly as you'd expect despite the short swing. Where people are confused is because of the clips of crawesy where it did appear that the ball went straight despite an offline swing, but they didn't factor in that his lines for those shots actually went back on themselves, and HB's new algorithm sucks because it averages and weighs parts of the swing differently. Any line that goes multiple directions, has a major change in direction, or comes back on itself, confuses the hell out of the game and it just picks a direction. This is NOT a short swing phenomenon though, we full swingers see the same thing - Dear Old Grandpa Leslie posted a few of his crazy swing lines which all flew differently from the way you'd expect, because of the comeback / multiple direction / major change in direction. Sometimes it means a straight flight, sometimes it doesn't. The problem is people saw a couple of crawesy's shots which didn't go as you'd expect and jumped to a general conclusion that there must be some kind of magic to all short swings. Here are some screenshots I took recently where I saw the same thing, it's clearly not a short swing issue but a general HB one for seriously wonky swings: This one was a push right (should really have been a pull): This one went virtually dead straight (again should have been a pull based on eyeballing but there are 5 competing directions in this one line so HB's algorithm must have been like "Ain't nobody got time to calculate all this s**t, let's just send it straight"... (this has obvious implications on api data as well): This one was actually a chip which completely slipped from my hand, and which was a HUGE push right: * NB I am not saying short swinging doesn't provide an advantage, since it clearly does provide a significant one, because there's less distance to travel and less opportunity to go offline, i.e. it helps keeping the line itself straight. But that's it. Any claims about bullet straight ball flights from offline short swings is pure unadulterated tinfoil.
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Post by schmiff on Mar 30, 2019 6:12:00 GMT -5
I've never quite figured it out myself, (even though I have a LOT of wonky swings) but it seems the final direction of the line's travel sometimes has more importance than where the end of the line actually is (left or right of the cone).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 6:53:10 GMT -5
I've never quite figured it out myself, (even though I have a LOT of wonky swings) but it seems the final direction of the line's travel sometimes has more importance than where the end of the line actually is (left or right of the cone). The really big wtf moments make me think that's the case as well, this is a screenshot I took of a ball that went perfectly straight when it should have been a push - you can barely see it because it's mostly obscured by the up-line, but when you zoom in you can see the bounce-back line poking out, it came back about a quarter of the way down from the top, virtually straight just inside the edge of the cone, and the game somehow did the arithmetic and decided to give me a bullet: Meanwhile this one which was incredibly straight all the way up to the top and then had a tiny little tick left was a huge pull:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 7:12:30 GMT -5
I've never quite figured it out myself, (even though I have a LOT of wonky swings) but it seems the final direction of the line's travel sometimes has more importance than where the end of the line actually is (left or right of the cone). The really big wtf moments make me think that's the case as well, this is a screenshot I took of a ball that went perfectly straight when it should have been a push - you can barely see it because it's mostly obscured by the up-line, but when you zoom in you can see the bounce-back line poking out, it came back about a quarter of the way down from the top, virtually straight just inside the edge of the cone, and the game somehow did the arithmetic and decided to give me a bullet: Meanwhile this one which was incredibly straight all the way up to the top and then had a tiny little tick left was a huge pull: That bottom pic looks like a lot of mine. It’s kinda like the power pull I used to play in RL to block out a fade. Never found they go too far left unless I had a very fast, although it’s possible I just allow a bit for it? Hitting straight hasn’t ever been my issue on this version of the game, it’s been tempo issues for me. The rate times I get a PP approach it’s normally close. Maybe I could caddy for someone and monetise it like I saw on some post about course building earlier... I didn’t realise we were there already, we need to slow the world down a tad.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 7:21:23 GMT -5
lmao @ monetising, yeah I saw that. On that note, I'm confident I can tutor any CC Pro player into a PGA standard player in a month, if anybody's interested my fee is £1499+VAT. *XB1 players excluded from this offer, since all the tips, tricks and maths in the world can't mitigate XB1 tempo problems lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 7:30:11 GMT -5
Screw it, may as well fess up. Some people seem to have it mastered, I suspect our XB crutch may not carry as much water as it once did.
Don’t tell anyone though, it’ll be our secret...
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 30, 2019 7:48:46 GMT -5
Anybody who charges for anything in a virtual golf game is filth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 7:49:53 GMT -5
Screw it, may as well fess up. Some people seem to have it mastered, I suspect our XB crutch may not carry as much water as it once did. Don’t tell anyone though, it’ll be our secret... Oh? Has something changed then? Do tell - nobody's gives a crap about this thread anyway so it'll effectively be confidential
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 30, 2019 7:52:36 GMT -5
The really big wtf moments make me think that's the case as well, this is a screenshot I took of a ball that went perfectly straight when it should have been a push - you can barely see it because it's mostly obscured by the up-line, but when you zoom in you can see the bounce-back line poking out, it came back about a quarter of the way down from the top, virtually straight just inside the edge of the cone, and the game somehow did the arithmetic and decided to give me a bullet: Meanwhile this one which was incredibly straight all the way up to the top and then had a tiny little tick left was a huge pull: That bottom pic looks like a lot of mine. It’s kinda like the power pull I used to play in RL to block out a fade. Never found they go too far left unless I had a very fast, although it’s possible I just allow a bit for it? Hitting straight hasn’t ever been my issue on this version of the game, it’s been tempo issues for me. The rate times I get a PP approach it’s normally close. Maybe I could caddy for someone and monetise it like I saw on some post about course building earlier... I didn’t realise we were there already, we need to slow the world down a tad. Who was talking about monetizing courses?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 7:56:39 GMT -5
That bottom pic looks like a lot of mine. It’s kinda like the power pull I used to play in RL to block out a fade. Never found they go too far left unless I had a very fast, although it’s possible I just allow a bit for it? Hitting straight hasn’t ever been my issue on this version of the game, it’s been tempo issues for me. The rate times I get a PP approach it’s normally close. Maybe I could caddy for someone and monetise it like I saw on some post about course building earlier... I didn’t realise we were there already, we need to slow the world down a tad. Who was talking about monetizing courses? Can't remember who but apparently some people are using patreon to design lidar courses for the home simulator crowd.
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 30, 2019 8:00:32 GMT -5
I've just seen it. Never been a fan of this. Links 2003 designers used to do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 8:38:19 GMT -5
lmao @ monetising, yeah I saw that. On that note, I'm confident I can tutor any CC Pro player into a PGA standard player in a month, if anybody's interested my fee is £1499+VAT. *XB1 players excluded from this offer, since all the tips, tricks and maths in the world can't mitigate XB1 tempo problems lol I'm interested. If you can get me ahead of you for FedEx this season I will pay your fee!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 9:11:41 GMT -5
lmao @ monetising, yeah I saw that. On that note, I'm confident I can tutor any CC Pro player into a PGA standard player in a month, if anybody's interested my fee is £1499+VAT. *XB1 players excluded from this offer, since all the tips, tricks and maths in the world can't mitigate XB1 tempo problems lol I'm interested. If you can get me ahead of you for FedEx this season I will pay your fee! Ha, as you'll probably overtake me at some point this season anyway, this is the easiest £1499+VAT I'll ever make Edit, just checked the fedex rankings, you've already overtaken me, lmao I'll PM you my patreon
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 9:17:48 GMT -5
I'm interested. If you can get me ahead of you for FedEx this season I will pay your fee! Ha, as you'll probably overtake me at some point this season anyway, this is the easiest £1499+VAT I'll ever make Edit, just checked the fedex rankings, you've already overtaken me, lmao I'll PM you my patreon Oh I thought you were 1 ahead of me, my fault. My bottom of the barrel performance this week might put you back ahead. You are officially my rival on the pga now though
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 9:57:56 GMT -5
Ha, as you'll probably overtake me at some point this season anyway, this is the easiest £1499+VAT I'll ever make Edit, just checked the fedex rankings, you've already overtaken me, lmao I'll PM you my patreon Oh I thought you were 1 ahead of me, my fault. My bottom of the barrel performance this week might put you back ahead. You are officially my rival on the pga now though Couple of weeks ago I would have said I'm no rival as I've struggled ever since the patch, but I've somehow found some form recently with several monster rounds, so hopefully that'll continue and I can give you a challenge
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