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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 25, 2019 14:13:26 GMT -5
off the back of the on-going debates over masters and pro users being on the same circuit, could there be something similar to "minor" events on the PGA tour for CC, where ONLY masters are used? They could be every other week, or every 4 weeks, and there could be bonuses on offer. Maybe double promo could be on offer, and if that is deemed "unfair" or unfeasible, it could just be extra prize money and golf world ranking points.
I realise there are people in CC who think the masters users "moan" about the difference, but this seems like a pretty small concession to the masters users, to me...
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Post by ErixonStone on Mar 25, 2019 14:49:36 GMT -5
I just hope HB decides one way or another to embrace true difficulty levels or remove the artificial difficulty differences around the green.
TGC2 was better in this regard.
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Post by CiB0RG on Mar 25, 2019 14:55:15 GMT -5
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Post by ErixonStone on Mar 25, 2019 15:02:12 GMT -5
It's at least worth a consideration, in case we don't get a new game or the new game has the same type of setup.
I don't think Jeff, Scott and Tim are keen on making changes during season 5.
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 25, 2019 15:04:24 GMT -5
it's a new idea for something a lot of people still want something doing about. So it doesn't feel like a dead horse to me, and i'd guess to many others... |
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Post by CiB0RG on Mar 25, 2019 15:28:21 GMT -5
it's a new idea for something a lot of people still want something doing about. So it doesn't feel like a dead horse to me, and i'd guess to many others... I hope you didn't take my gif the wrong way I wasn't trying to make fun of you or anything. It was more meant as comic relief as you likely won't get any hopeful responses of something like this ever being elevated any higher than a forum post. Believe me I've tried to make the same case several times (with different ideas) so I know where you're coming from. The simplest of mine being... if you earn a promo mark using master clubs you get 2 promo marks. Relatively simple, right? I like the idea and it would be nice to see a light at the end of the tunnel for the dedicated master club players, or even some reason to make the CC players want to challenge themselves with the master clubs... the reality is that these sorts of ideas have been beating the same dead horse from different angles ever since club sets were divided. It's human nature to want to follow the path of least resistance. To lots of players, if they can make it easier/less frustrating for themselves, they will... and it seems to help them get more enjoyment out of the game. Not everyone gets the same enjoyment out of putting a physical and mental challenge on themselves. I will never agree with people playing on different difficulty levels being compared equally on a leaderboard.,. but for now it's just me against the course. The pro/master club issue has made me care significantly less about my standing on the tours. I can at least enjoy trying to put up a better score than I did the week before. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 25, 2019 15:44:05 GMT -5
Firstly, I don't offend easily and welcome debate, second we know each other anyway, so doubly no offence taken  It would seem to me some of the suggestions have been taken on board; we might just need to be patient in seeing them adopted... |
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Post by Giraffe72 on Mar 25, 2019 15:58:37 GMT -5
Reading between the lines of a few comments recently, I think we can expect a slightly different set up in Season 6 if the game remains as unbalanced as it is now. It's not TGCT's fault and I can see why they wouldn't want to change mid-season, but I think everybody pretty much agrees it's not an ideal scenario at the moment.
But it is what it is, just get out there, play, and enjoy your rounds |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 25, 2019 16:03:50 GMT -5
Reading between the lines of a few comments recently, I think we can expect a slightly different set up in Season 6 if the game remains as unbalanced as it is now. It's not TGCT's fault and I can see why they wouldn't want to change mid-season, but I think everybody pretty much agrees it's not an ideal scenario at the moment.
But it is what it is, just get out there, play, and enjoy your rounds I'm REALLY enjoying the tour! As others have said, and I made the point too, golf is a game against yourself, as much as anything else; it's easy to make your own targets. I'm also loving the rivalry groups and I'm in the dam society too. I'm so glad I found tgct! At the same time, I think debate is healthy, the site has a suggestion area, so however long it takes, always good to keep the suggestions coming. A lot of people seem very binary. Like if you have an opinion, it must be a VERY strong opinion, and that you HATE the opposing view. Doesn't always have to be that way; if people don't take things personally, and engage in healthy discussion... |
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Post by SmilingGoats on Mar 25, 2019 18:06:54 GMT -5
Reading between the lines of a few comments recently, I think we can expect a slightly different set up in Season 6 if the game remains as unbalanced as it is now. It's not TGCT's fault and I can see why they wouldn't want to change mid-season, but I think everybody pretty much agrees it's not an ideal scenario at the moment.
Agreed. We really don't have the ability to change mid-season even if we decided we want to. Right now, monthly donations have basically been running equal to the expenses which means we don't have money for extra developer help and so that means waiting on Tim to have the time [/end run-on sentence]. And we have a pretty big backlog of things piled up for Tim right now...taking on a big structure overhaul just isn't realistic, unfortunately. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 26, 2019 2:24:11 GMT -5
Just to feel listened to and know things might change is good enough for me |
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Post by pc17 on Mar 26, 2019 6:38:25 GMT -5
I've always believed there should be a level playing field in whatever flight you are in. The structure for promotions and demotions is about right. When I gained promotion from CC-A to the Web.com while playing TGC2, I missed the cut and went straight back down. You never had chance to acclimatise to this new skill level. But things are different now and it's much better.
The changes I would like to see, is the CC-Z becoming a tour for Beginner club users to promote to. The skill level here would be a little higher, and gaining promotion from CC-Z to CC-G would probably mean they would be ready to move to Pro clubs.
The CC-G to CC-B should be Pro clubs only. Anyone promoted to CC-A would have to use Master clubs, and as there is no cut-line they would have 4 rounds to play every week to build their skill level with these clubs before gaining promotion to the Web.com. This creates a natural progression and learning curve from whatever lever you start at. And whatever flight you are in is a level playing field.
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Post by ErixonStone on Mar 26, 2019 8:24:52 GMT -5
The CC-G to CC-B should be Pro clubs only. I am not necessarily against your idea, but do have minor nitpicks. A lot of players would be upset that they could not use Master Clubs because they would just rather play that way. How about we just let them use Masters if they want even though they're at a disadvantage (which is effectively what we have now)?Why should CC-A specifically be forced to use Master Clubs? Wouldn't that just cause the same "step-up" scenario we have now, only one level lower? Players missing the Thursday cut on Web.com are not barred from playing their final 2 rounds; they just wouldn't count for anything. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 26, 2019 8:45:04 GMT -5
The CC-G to CC-B should be Pro clubs only. I am not necessarily against your idea, but do have minor nitpicks. A lot of players would be upset that they could not use Master Clubs because they would just rather play that way. How about we just let them use Masters if they want even though they're at a disadvantage (which is effectively what we have now)?Why should CC-A specifically be forced to use Master Clubs? Wouldn't that just cause the same "step-up" scenario we have now, only one level lower?Players missing the Thursday cut on Web.com are not barred from playing their final 2 rounds; they just wouldn't count for anything.
i guess the answer to that is that a LOT of people below web use masters, so the balance "needs" tweeking still? i'd go further personally, like maybe down to B, or better yet, different tours for pro users. I know many are dead against this, i'll repeat i don't have STRONG feelings on it, and will go with the majority, but i definitely agree it's slightly weird having people compete against each other where there's a pretty significant difference in difficulty level...
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Post by Giraffe72 on Mar 26, 2019 8:49:37 GMT -5
Yep, and the other problem with that idea is the idea that Beginners Clubs Tour could promote in to CCZ. Most of those on the BCT are plenty good enough to play much higher than CCZ, they just choose not to (which is fair enough).
There isn't an easy answer to this to keep everyone happy. I think the best idea I've seen is to split the Challenge Circuit in to a Pro half and a Masters half, with the top tier of each promoting straight to Web (which stays as it is). So you could kind of choose which route you want to take. But I've no idea how easy that would be to code and administer. Failing that, giving the top 5/10 Masters users a promo mark regardless of finishing position?
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