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Post by misternic on Feb 3, 2015 9:35:33 GMT -5
No I do absolutely understand that but the act of submitting a score card in real life does allow you to check and double check before you hand it across the table. I just think in this situation there isn't the need to be quite so strict. double check before hitting submit. there are two fields. the Submit button is equal to handing it across the table. imo |
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 3, 2015 10:08:07 GMT -5
Ask Roberto De Vicenzo how bad it sucks to sign an incorrect scorecard What did he do? |
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Post by drivert on Feb 3, 2015 10:55:51 GMT -5
Ask Roberto De Vicenzo how bad it sucks to sign an incorrect scorecard What did he do? He lost the 1968 masters. He birdied 17 but his playing partner recorded a par on the official scorecard. He signed the scorecard with the par on 17 and that made it his official score and so he lost the masters by 1 stroke. Had his score card been correct he would have played an 18 hole playoff on monday |
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Post by fondername0 on Feb 3, 2015 11:24:39 GMT -5
O.T. - (not TGC related - talking real golf) I perfectly understand that for many, many years, players keeping each other's scores was needed. Nowdays in real life golf, on every major tour in the world (PGA, Web, Champions, LPGA, EPGA) there are computers on every hole recordings scores and much more. I have no idea why they still make these players keep a written scorecard other than the old adage, "that's the way its always been done". Technology has made this a pointless exercise. I guess it is possible that the man or woman entering the data on each hole can make a mistake so maybe.........now I am confusing myself.  |
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 3, 2015 11:38:11 GMT -5
He lost the 1968 masters. He birdied 17 but his playing partner recorded a par on the official scorecard. He signed the scorecard with the par on 17 and that made it his official score and so he lost the masters by 1 stroke. Had his score card been correct he would have played an 18 hole playoff on monday I dunno what I would do. That's such a disappointing story. |
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Post by Mitchblue on Feb 3, 2015 13:14:00 GMT -5
He lost the 1968 masters. He birdied 17 but his playing partner recorded a par on the official scorecard. He signed the scorecard with the par on 17 and that made it his official score and so he lost the masters by 1 stroke. Had his score card been correct he would have played an 18 hole playoff on monday His playing partner? I heard about the '68 Masters but why let his playing partner putt his score down? Or does playing partner mean caddy? |
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Post by Mitchblue on Feb 3, 2015 13:38:18 GMT -5
His playing partner? I heard about the '68 Masters but why let his playing partner putt his score down? Or does playing partner mean caddy? You dont score your own card but your playing partner does. At the end of the round he gives it back to you and sign it , thats in medal play Aah, learn something new every day. Thank you. Wonder if he still speaks to that guy.. |
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Post by MonkeyPutter on Feb 3, 2015 15:13:39 GMT -5
Hi guys. I'm the one that pillowofsoft is referring to. Firstly it was never my intention to cause any inconvenience or offend anyone. I made a genuine accidental mistake, realised immediately what I had done and wanted to rectify it. I played all four of my rounds on Saturday morning but couldn't submit my scores until Monday so I took a screen shot with my mobile phone so that I didn't have to remember them. When Monday came I went to submit my scores and foolishly used the autocomplete feature within the score field in my browser and then clicked submit. An easy mistake to make! To have the ability edit your scores before the submission deadline is reached is not unreasonable. When playing "real" golf, at the end of the round I go through the card with my playing partner(s) to check everything and then if we are in agreement we both sign the card and hand it in. If an error was found we would correct it and initial the correction. That process acts as a double check. It would be nice to have a way of correcting our scores as there is no double check feature with TGC Tours. I fully understand that we don't want people cheating by submitting a lower score than they actually shot and I would never do that. Someone made the comment about having to spend time writing more code but surely this would be an enhancement to the TGC Tours website that would benefit everyone. What you have got here is good but that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.
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Post by woodjer on Feb 3, 2015 15:59:08 GMT -5
No I do absolutely understand that but the act of submitting a score card in real life does allow you to check and double check before you hand it across the table. I just think in this situation there isn't the need to be quite so strict. double check before hitting submit. there are two fields. the Submit button is equal to handing it across the table. imo This was my first thought as soon as the "in real life, you can double-check it" argument came up. It's not like the form automatically submits when you complete the name field. If there is a desire to do anything additional, maybe a "Please verify before you click submit" line could be added above the button. Even that is more than I think is necessary though. Question though...in real life, if you sign a scorecard and realize it's incorrect before you turn it in, what happens? My understanding is that, once you sign, you're saying that it's official whether you've turned it in or not. If there is an error, it needs to be addressed before you sign. I could be wrong though...my knowledge of the rulebook isn't all that deep. |
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Post by Andy Tracy on Feb 3, 2015 16:11:04 GMT -5
What about implementing a 2-stroke penalty instead of a DQ. Ala Tiger at the 2013 Masters.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 16:22:53 GMT -5
There is a double check, a quadruple check, even a 10 times check, it's called you. It's really fairly simple, if you make a mistake, man up, and go practice for the next week. How hard is to figure out, the scorecard submission is part of the game, do it right all good, do it wrong and you burn. Timbit hockey is killing the world I swear.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 16:31:09 GMT -5
What about implementing a 2-stroke penalty instead of a DQ. Ala Tiger at the 2013 Masters. Woods was allowed to stay in the tournament due to a rule change in 2011 that states a player, instead of being disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard, can be assessed penalty strokes afterward because all the facts concerning the issue were not known when the scorecard was signed. Plus what happened to Wood's was grey, it was the interview that burned him, he had 2 options, going back as far as he wants was legit, he stated he used the other option, playing the ball nearest as the original spot. He misspoke during the interview, no interview, no penalty in that case.
Are you suggesting he did not know his score before he submitted it.
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Post by Andy Tracy on Feb 3, 2015 16:51:11 GMT -5
What about implementing a 2-stroke penalty instead of a DQ. Ala Tiger at the 2013 Masters. Woods was allowed to stay in the tournament due to a rule change in 2011 that states a player, instead of being disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard, can be assessed penalty strokes afterward because all the facts concerning the issue were not known when the scorecard was signed. Plus what happened to wood was grey, it was the interview that burned him, he had 2 options, going back as far as he wants was legit, he stated he used the other option, playing the ball nearest as the original spot. He misspoke during the interview, no interview, no penalty in that case.
Are you suggesting he did not know his score before he submitted it.
I am merely saying that in lieu of rewriting code, a penalty could be an alternative to a DQ. "What a stupid I am!" |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 16:59:52 GMT -5
its fine as it is, if you can't be bothered to double check your entry, then you can't be bothered to care about the DQ for submitting the wrong score.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 17:22:47 GMT -5
Golf is a game about responsibility and honor. If you address a ball in Tournament play, and it moves, it's your responsibility to announce the penalty upon yourself. The same type of honor and responsibility holds true when playing a TGC Tours event. If you make a mistake, admit to it. Yes, you will be disqualified, but the community will hold you in high esteem for respecting the honor of the game.
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