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Post by mcbogga on Oct 10, 2018 13:42:30 GMT -5
Putting marker off still pre-sets the marker, it’s just that it is invisible and cannot be moved. The rubber banding is stronger than in TGC2. So - it does matter quite a lot where you put the marker, but the pre set is very good in TGC2019, so a move back or forward is very rarely needed. Will have to agree to disagree 😊 I've tested it out in full AIDS mode where I put the marker at random silly locations (e.g. 2ft in front of me on a 40ft putt, 100ft in front on a 5ft putt) and it made zero difference, so I have no choice but to conclude backswing length is all that matters. In fact when I was practising on St Bedes I was checking the worm cam (which I hardly ever do in this game but those greens are brutal), which as you know moves the putting marker back and forth now rather than keeping it in place, but I just let it remain wherever it ended up every time, and it made no difference whatsoever. Happy to be wrong here, because if I am it means I’m a distance control god! But the test you are doing doesn’t really say anything about the rubber-banding. If you input power that is a lot more or less than the marker set you will get that power, without help from the game. You should be seeing differences if you put the marker at 35 and 25 feet in your example above. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 14:18:52 GMT -5
Happy to be wrong here, because if I am it means I’m a distance control god! But the test you are doing doesn’t really say anything about the rubber-banding. If you input power that is a lot more or less than the marker set you will get that power, without help from the game. You should be seeing differences if you put the marker at 35 and 25 feet in your example above. So am I  The new 3-putt avoidance stat is a decent proxy for distance control, and it's one of my best stats in the new game, in fact I'm top in the official HB Pro society for 3-putt avoidance (0.76%), around 100 players and there have been tons of events in that society, i.e. a decent sample size to prove you can master distance control without adjusting the marker. So if indeed there is a benefit of adjusting the marker based on subtle distance control help at very small margins, it's so utterly negligible that there's no point making the effort and wasting valuable seconds every shot to move it. For TGC2 there was a case for it on downhill ice-rink putts, but with the new game they've got some weird gravity field around every hole that prevents the ball from escaping too far, which is far more helpful (possibly too helpful lol) than the marker effect ever was. |
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Post by mcbogga on Oct 10, 2018 14:35:19 GMT -5
May be that they changed the assist mechanic. Either that or they got the algorithm for the pre-set right, which is still my theory.
Im 100% with you that the marker does not need to be touched for long/short in TGC2019.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 14:41:45 GMT -5
May be that they changed the assist mechanic. Either that or they got the algorithm for the pre-set right, which is still my theory. Yes that's a possibility, difficult to test for it given the small margins it supposedly helps with though. In terms of practicality, regardless of the real truth, it means players can be confident in not bothering to move the marker |
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Post by lessangster on Oct 10, 2018 15:02:52 GMT -5
May be that they changed the assist mechanic. Either that or they got the algorithm for the pre-set right, which is still my theory. Im 100% with you that the marker does not need to be touched for long/short in TGC2019. My opinion the way it is now would benefit TST putting with the marker off. |
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Post by champ39 on Oct 10, 2018 15:25:33 GMT -5
I've always used the marker (arrow), when you know where to place it, eg do I want to putt "defensively", and not run the risk of putting it off the green, it's your best friend 
Knocked up a quick sloping green in the designer and attempted to putt the ball 30 feet on max firm / fast (187ft)
Putt 1) Using the marker to putt downhill = 30 feet
Putt 2) Using the marker to putt uphill = 30 feet
Putt 3) No marker to putt downhill (trying to replicate putt #1) = 39 feet
Putt 4) No marker to putt uphill (trying to replicate putt #2) = 37 feet
No doubt there are many awesome putters who never use the marker, I like to putt with the "correct" speed and play the break, so I'll take all the assists I can lay my hands on....  |
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Post by mcbogga on Oct 11, 2018 1:04:46 GMT -5
I've always used the marker (arrow), when you know where to place it, eg do I want to putt "defensively", and not run the risk of putting it off the green, it's your best friend
Knocked up a quick sloping green in the designer and attempted to putt the ball 30 feet on max firm / fast (187ft)
Putt 1) Using the marker to putt downhill = 30 feet
Putt 2) Using the marker to putt uphill = 30 feet
Putt 3) No marker to putt downhill (trying to replicate putt #1) = 39 feet
Putt 4) No marker to putt uphill (trying to replicate putt #2) = 37 feet
No doubt there are many awesome putters who never use the marker, I like to putt with the "correct" speed and play the break, so I'll take all the assists I can lay my hands on.... That was not “no marker”, it was marker set at 187 - which means no assist to power in this case. “No marker” - the in game setting - works differently. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 1:20:01 GMT -5
I've always used the marker (arrow), when you know where to place it, eg do I want to putt "defensively", and not run the risk of putting it off the green, it's your best friend
Knocked up a quick sloping green in the designer and attempted to putt the ball 30 feet on max firm / fast (187ft)
Putt 1) Using the marker to putt downhill = 30 feet
Putt 2) Using the marker to putt uphill = 30 feet
Putt 3) No marker to putt downhill (trying to replicate putt #1) = 39 feet
Putt 4) No marker to putt uphill (trying to replicate putt #2) = 37 feet
No doubt there are many awesome putters who never use the marker, I like to putt with the "correct" speed and play the break, so I'll take all the assists I can lay my hands on.... I downloaded your video and put it into Premiere Pro - on the first putt I counted 25 video frames from initial pullback to striking the ball, while on the 3rd (which was replicating the first putt) I counted 29. Not much but I'd say it probably explains the longer putt, even if it's because you exceeded the very narrow smoothing buffer that the putting marker supposedly provides. The ball in the new game never escapes like crazy unless you goof seriously hard, they've put a weird auto band-aid in that slows the ball down as it approaches the hole anyway, so you don't get the crazy run-offs like you did so often in TGC2. Not sure why I'm still debating tbh, I obviously don't care if people are imagining an 'assist' if it just makes them more confident, it's no different to people who make several practice backswings before every shot because they imagine it eliminates tempo problems, hell you can sacrifice a goat before every round for all I care lol I've proven to myself repeatedly that moving the marker makes no difference and my distance control based on 3-putt avoidance is up there with the best in the game (now if only I could just stop pulling so many putts...). I'll certainly be putting my money where my mouth is so to speak by continuing to ignore the marker for TGCT events. |
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Post by champ39 on Oct 11, 2018 3:53:39 GMT -5
I've always used the marker (arrow), when you know where to place it, eg do I want to putt "defensively", and not run the risk of putting it off the green, it's your best friend
Knocked up a quick sloping green in the designer and attempted to putt the ball 30 feet on max firm / fast (187ft)
Putt 1) Using the marker to putt downhill = 30 feet
Putt 2) Using the marker to putt uphill = 30 feet
Putt 3) No marker to putt downhill (trying to replicate putt #1) = 39 feet
Putt 4) No marker to putt uphill (trying to replicate putt #2) = 37 feet
No doubt there are many awesome putters who never use the marker, I like to putt with the "correct" speed and play the break, so I'll take all the assists I can lay my hands on.... That was not “no marker”, it was marker set at 187 - which means no assist to power in this case. “No marker” - the in game setting - works differently. You are correct, no marker assist is what I should have said👍 |
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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 11, 2018 5:10:25 GMT -5
The only time I ever move the marker for distance is if I have a putt that is a fair way down hill and I use it to visualise a point I want to get the ball to, or if I have a large break on a long putt, maybe up and over a crest, and I want to mark out a break point half way there and let the slope do the rest.
Moving the marker makes no difference to putt distance in my experience. That's all about swing length and 99% of the time I don't move the marker at all.
I was similar on TGC2 for the majority of putts uphill (the 60ft plus ^2ft ones did need some marker adjust!!). I just hit it harder generally, but downhill I HAD to move the marker back to avoid overshooting it regularly while maintaining a consistent stroke.
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Post by cseanny on Oct 11, 2018 7:33:10 GMT -5
If you're playing TST style or no putting marker the game still goes to a default distance, however, you simply don't see it. As far as the question:
"Putting arrow, where to put it?" I made the following:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 7:44:19 GMT -5
If you're playing TST style or no putting marker the game still goes to a default distance, however, you simply don't see it. As far as the question: "Putting arrow, where to put it?" I made the following: Even though I disagree based on my results, your voice is awesome, classic American sports commentator style voice |
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Post by mick0210 on Oct 11, 2018 10:39:21 GMT -5
I dont change the arrow and i've been putting better than i ever did at tgc2. So ill stay away from it.
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Post by cliffs on Oct 12, 2018 6:08:05 GMT -5
According to some of you, this marker assists greatly in distance control.
What helps me in distance control if I never use the marker?
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Post by mcbogga on Oct 12, 2018 12:22:10 GMT -5
According to some of you, this marker assists greatly in distance control. What helps me in distance control if I never use the marker? The algoritm that pre sets the marker at an appropriate distance for the putt at hand. |
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The new 3-putt avoidance stat is a decent proxy for distance control, and it's one of my best stats in the new game, in fact I'm top in the official HB Pro society for 3-putt avoidance (0.76%), around 100 players and there have been tons of events in that society, i.e. a decent sample size to prove you can master distance control without adjusting the marker. So if indeed there is a benefit of adjusting the marker based on subtle distance control help at very small margins, it's so utterly negligible that there's no point making the effort and wasting valuable seconds every shot to move it. 
