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Post by Doyley on Aug 30, 2018 13:29:49 GMT -5
I disagree. Everyone starts out in Q-School to get their starting tour and is encouraged to practice a good amount beforehand. If they start in CC then they obviously aren't yet good enough for the big time tours and have to prove themselves. Dude. I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. CC-B out of Q-School. I was a dumpster fire with Tour clubs. But I improved dramatically and won at CC-B, Web, and Euro level to move up to World Tour in about 2 months. Under this method, I'd have won at CC-B, then had to win again, plus a top 10 just to get to CC-A, which quite frankly is at best 2-3 shots better on average. I've still only played 12 events on TGC Tours. Under the new format, I'd likely still be in Web/Euro this point despite demonstrating I'm good enough to compete at higher levels. There's also another factor that will annoy people down the road. Say you play consistently solid golf, accumulating points on tour and move up the ranks. Then some guy who hasn't played well at a lower level gets super hot at this rapid promotion tournament. How can we say we're rewarding consistent play when the biggest chance at advancement comes to down to the results of one event? Wins in Challenge Circuit are still auto-promotions - details are all in the OP |
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Post by boffo on Aug 30, 2018 13:44:34 GMT -5
I disagree. Everyone starts out in Q-School to get their starting tour and is encouraged to practice a good amount beforehand. If they start in CC then they obviously aren't yet good enough for the big time tours and have to prove themselves. Dude. I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. CC-B out of Q-School. I was a dumpster fire with Tour clubs. But I improved dramatically and won at CC-B, Web, and Euro level to move up to World Tour in about 2 months. Under this method, I'd have won at CC-B, then had to win again, plus a top 10 just to get to CC-A, which quite frankly is at best 2-3 shots better on average. I've still only played 12 events on TGC Tours. Under the new format, I'd likely still be in Web/Euro this point despite demonstrating I'm good enough to compete at higher levels. There's also another factor that will annoy people down the road. Say you play consistently solid golf, accumulating points on tour and move up the ranks. Then some guy who hasn't played well at a lower level gets super hot at this rapid promotion tournament. How can we say we're rewarding consistent play when the biggest chance at advancement comes to down to the results of one event? Most people in CC don't progress as fast as you. Some players are CC lifers and most slowly work their way up the ranks over many, many months. I personally spent almost a year in CC and one of my biggest gripes was that every week it felt like you were playing a different field. Made developing friendly rivalries really hard to do. Also, as other people have mentioned the weekly promotion schedule made it really tough to ever put together a run of really good tournaments. You'd finish good one week so your reward was getting to play tougher opponents and usually fall back down the leaderboard. Now you get three months to work on your game, build up familiarity with your opponents, maybe string together a few nice finishes in a row, and then feel much more confident you're ready for a higher tier once you get the chance to earn your promotion. And in case you missed it, the promotion tournament will usually have restricted entry. The random guy playing poorly at the lower levels wouldn't get a chance to play in the promotion tournament as entry needs to be earned by consistent good play. Overall I don't see the changes having any serious impact on the Pro tours, but CC will be a much different experience than what it used to be. Maybe it's just me but this is a lot more like what I wished CC was back when I was slogging my way up through the ranks. |
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Post by itsmb8 on Aug 30, 2018 13:48:05 GMT -5
I disagree. Everyone starts out in Q-School to get their starting tour and is encouraged to practice a good amount beforehand. If they start in CC then they obviously aren't yet good enough for the big time tours and have to prove themselves. Dude. I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. CC-B out of Q-School. I was a dumpster fire with Tour clubs. But I improved dramatically and won at CC-B, Web, and Euro level to move up to World Tour in about 2 months. Under this method, I'd have won at CC-B, then had to win again, plus a top 10 just to get to CC-A, which quite frankly is at best 2-3 shots better on average. I've still only played 12 events on TGC Tours. Under the new format, I'd likely still be in Web/Euro this point despite demonstrating I'm good enough to compete at higher levels. There's also another factor that will annoy people down the road. Say you play consistently solid golf, accumulating points on tour and move up the ranks. Then some guy who hasn't played well at a lower level gets super hot at this rapid promotion tournament. How can we say we're rewarding consistent play when the biggest chance at advancement comes to down to the results of one event? Okay, 1) no reason for the hostility. I was just stating my personal opinion in a respectful manner. And 2) I dont really agree with those promotion events anyways. What if we had three promo marks for a win, 2 for top 5, and 1 for the top 10/20/whatever the cutoff is, with the same guidelines for demo marks as originally posted by Doyley, and the top/bottom x amount of players after a month get promoted/demoted, with a battlefield promotion if you get 5 promo marks in that month? |
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Post by itsmb8 on Aug 30, 2018 13:53:17 GMT -5
Dude. I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. CC-B out of Q-School. I was a dumpster fire with Tour clubs. But I improved dramatically and won at CC-B, Web, and Euro level to move up to World Tour in about 2 months. Under this method, I'd have won at CC-B, then had to win again, plus a top 10 just to get to CC-A, which quite frankly is at best 2-3 shots better on average. I've still only played 12 events on TGC Tours. Under the new format, I'd likely still be in Web/Euro this point despite demonstrating I'm good enough to compete at higher levels. There's also another factor that will annoy people down the road. Say you play consistently solid golf, accumulating points on tour and move up the ranks. Then some guy who hasn't played well at a lower level gets super hot at this rapid promotion tournament. How can we say we're rewarding consistent play when the biggest chance at advancement comes to down to the results of one event? Most people in CC don't progress as fast as you. Some players are CC lifers and most slowly work their way up the ranks over many, many months. I personally spent almost a year in CC and one of my biggest gripes was that every week it felt like you were playing a different field. Made developing friendly rivalries really hard to do. Also, as other people have mentioned the weekly promotion schedule made it really tough to ever put together a run of really good tournaments. You'd finish good one week so your reward was getting to play tougher opponents and usually fall back down the leaderboard. Now you get three months to work on your game, build up familiarity with your opponents, maybe string together a few nice finishes in a row, and then feel much more confident you're ready for a higher tier once you get the chance to earn your promotion. And in case you missed it, the promotion tournament will usually have restricted entry. The random guy playing poorly at the lower levels wouldn't get a chance to play in the promotion tournament as entry needs to be earned by consistent good play. Overall I don't see the changes having any serious impact on the Pro tours, but CC will be a much different experience than what it used to be. Maybe it's just me but this is a lot more like what I wished CC was back when I was slogging my way up through the ranks. Agreed boffo. Im still in CC myself and started season 2, granted I havent played much each of the past 3 seasons. Regardless, I'd rather be playing the same majority of the field each week because that will help clarify who should be moved or not. You cant really define your skill level in terms of a CC level when half the field any given week could be at a different level within 3 weeks. |
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Post by cephyn on Aug 30, 2018 13:56:11 GMT -5
Dude. I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. CC-B out of Q-School. I was a dumpster fire with Tour clubs. But I improved dramatically and won at CC-B, Web, and Euro level to move up to World Tour in about 2 months. Under this method, I'd have won at CC-B, then had to win again, plus a top 10 just to get to CC-A, which quite frankly is at best 2-3 shots better on average. I've still only played 12 events on TGC Tours. Under the new format, I'd likely still be in Web/Euro this point despite demonstrating I'm good enough to compete at higher levels. There's also another factor that will annoy people down the road. Say you play consistently solid golf, accumulating points on tour and move up the ranks. Then some guy who hasn't played well at a lower level gets super hot at this rapid promotion tournament. How can we say we're rewarding consistent play when the biggest chance at advancement comes to down to the results of one event? Most people in CC don't progress as fast as you. Some players are CC lifers and most slowly work their way up the ranks over many, many months. I personally spent almost a year in CC and one of my biggest gripes was that every week it felt like you were playing a different field. Made developing friendly rivalries really hard to do. Also, as other people have mentioned the weekly promotion schedule made it really tough to ever put together a run of really good tournaments. You'd finish good one week so your reward was getting to play tougher opponents and usually fall back down the leaderboard. Now you get three months to work on your game, build up familiarity with your opponents, maybe string together a few nice finishes in a row, and then feel much more confident you're ready for a higher tier once you get the chance to earn your promotion. And in case you missed it, the promotion tournament will usually have restricted entry. The random guy playing poorly at the lower levels wouldn't get a chance to play in the promotion tournament as entry needs to be earned by consistent good play. Overall I don't see the changes having any serious impact on the Pro tours, but CC will be a much different experience than what it used to be. Maybe it's just me but this is a lot more like what I wished CC was back when I was slogging my way up through the ranks. 100% agreement with boffo. CC ranks feel very isolating because I just don't see the same names as much - there's so much churn. I sank way down, and i've been crawling back up but its basically solo play against random opponents. I think I'd like more of a community challenge. |
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Post by Errol1967 on Aug 30, 2018 13:59:49 GMT -5
I like the idea of going through Q-School again. I dont mind either to start at the lowest tier. Sounds more challenging to me anyway  Love the game so far... |
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Post by TimB on Aug 30, 2018 14:14:16 GMT -5
I’m the Quentincental CC lifer.(I’m not correcting the stupid iPads autocorrects lol)
Joined in Jan 2015 when it was the Champions tour. Started in Champions B. There were these 2 guys who were friendy with me when I joined. One tournament I was in a tie with one them for the last exemption spot or something. It came down to a count back and I wound up getting promotion to Champions A.
Then due to growth they did away with the Champions and went to CC format. Started in CCD...worked my way up, even winning one for the promotion. Made to Web. Then wound up in the hospital for most of last year. Didn’t start TGC2 until November. Struggled, and eventually wound up back in CC.
I’ve been in Champions B-Champions A-CCD-CC-C-CC-B-CC-A-Web (couple exemptions into Euro,) back to CC-A-CC-B-CC-A...’I’m just here watching everyone pass me by. I miss the old crew from back when joined, most of them don’t even play anymore. Don’t really know the new crew so feel kind of like an outsider lol. Would like to get back to Web, it’s where I feel most comfortable. Making a push for it these last couple weeks. Otherwise I’ll be stuck in CC polluting the place up lol
I’m also touring the WGR lol
442 last Feb 2017–spend 10 months in hospital—slide to 1801-couple months ago—now climbing back up -888
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Post by twoplanetsaway on Aug 30, 2018 14:47:56 GMT -5
Dude. I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. CC-B out of Q-School. I was a dumpster fire with Tour clubs. But I improved dramatically and won at CC-B, Web, and Euro level to move up to World Tour in about 2 months. Under this method, I'd have won at CC-B, then had to win again, plus a top 10 just to get to CC-A, which quite frankly is at best 2-3 shots better on average. I've still only played 12 events on TGC Tours. Under the new format, I'd likely still be in Web/Euro this point despite demonstrating I'm good enough to compete at higher levels. There's also another factor that will annoy people down the road. Say you play consistently solid golf, accumulating points on tour and move up the ranks. Then some guy who hasn't played well at a lower level gets super hot at this rapid promotion tournament. How can we say we're rewarding consistent play when the biggest chance at advancement comes to down to the results of one event? Most people in CC don't progress as fast as you. Some players are CC lifers and most slowly work their way up the ranks over many, many months. I personally spent almost a year in CC and one of my biggest gripes was that every week it felt like you were playing a different field. Made developing friendly rivalries really hard to do. Also, as other people have mentioned the weekly promotion schedule made it really tough to ever put together a run of really good tournaments. You'd finish good one week so your reward was getting to play tougher opponents and usually fall back down the leaderboard. Now you get three months to work on your game, build up familiarity with your opponents, maybe string together a few nice finishes in a row, and then feel much more confident you're ready for a higher tier once you get the chance to earn your promotion. And in case you missed it, the promotion tournament will usually have restricted entry. The random guy playing poorly at the lower levels wouldn't get a chance to play in the promotion tournament as entry needs to be earned by consistent good play. Overall I don't see the changes having any serious impact on the Pro tours, but CC will be a much different experience than what it used to be. Maybe it's just me but this is a lot more like what I wished CC was back when I was slogging my way up through the ranks. Fair enough fair enough. Good points made. I didn't mean to presume that everyone's experience will be like mine has been so far. But I definitely think there will be quite a few exceptions to the rule who will essentially have to do 3 or 4 times the work to get to PGA level through no fault of their own. 2 wins and say 8 top 10s all in a row would be stellar form at any level. That would move you up two levels in 3 months. I just think we're undervaluing the balance of competition overall. Everybody is pretty effing good lol. |
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Post by twoplanetsaway on Aug 30, 2018 15:02:50 GMT -5
Dude. I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. CC-B out of Q-School. I was a dumpster fire with Tour clubs. But I improved dramatically and won at CC-B, Web, and Euro level to move up to World Tour in about 2 months. Under this method, I'd have won at CC-B, then had to win again, plus a top 10 just to get to CC-A, which quite frankly is at best 2-3 shots better on average. I've still only played 12 events on TGC Tours. Under the new format, I'd likely still be in Web/Euro this point despite demonstrating I'm good enough to compete at higher levels. There's also another factor that will annoy people down the road. Say you play consistently solid golf, accumulating points on tour and move up the ranks. Then some guy who hasn't played well at a lower level gets super hot at this rapid promotion tournament. How can we say we're rewarding consistent play when the biggest chance at advancement comes to down to the results of one event? Okay, 1) no reason for the hostility. I was just stating my personal opinion in a respectful manner. And 2) I dont really agree with those promotion events anyways. What if we had three promo marks for a win, 2 for top 5, and 1 for the top 10/20/whatever the cutoff is, with the same guidelines for demo marks as originally posted by Doyley, and the top/bottom x amount of players after a month get promoted/demoted, with a battlefield promotion if you get 5 promo marks in that month? I wasn't being hostile. No insults or derogatory comments have been made. I stated my opinion in a respectful manner as well. Just because I put the crux of why I disagree with the new format in all caps for emphasis doesn't mean I was being belligerent. Sometimes you make a point, and because you've typed quite a bit, the essence of your point gets lost. I meant no offense. To your points at the end, yeah I'm down with anything that speeds up the process for exceptional play. If you struggle later, you'll come back down anyway. As for rivalries, I get the sentiment, but it's also cool to have those rivalries continue higher up if you improve. Making it harder to rise only keeps these rivalries in the same skill bracket for longer imo. |
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Post by Airik3333 on Aug 30, 2018 15:38:59 GMT -5
I’m the Quentincental CC lifer.(I’m not correcting the stupid iPads autocorrects lol) Joined in Jan 2015 when it was the Champions tour. Started in Champions B. There were these 2 guys who were friendy with me when I joined. One tournament I was in a tie with one them for the last exemption spot or something. It came down to a count back and I wound up getting promotion to Champions A. Then due to growth they did away with the Champions and went to CC format. Started in CCD...worked my way up, even winning one for the promotion. Made to Web. Then wound up in the hospital for most of last year. Didn’t start TGC2 until November. Struggled, and eventually wound up back in CC. I’ve been in Champions B-Champions A-CCD-CC-C-CC-B-CC-A-Web (couple exemptions into Euro,) back to CC-A-CC-B-CC-A...’I’m just here watching everyone pass me by. I miss the old crew from back when joined, most of them don’t even play anymore. Don’t really know the new crew so feel kind of like an outsider lol. Would like to get back to Web, it’s where I feel most comfortable. Making a push for it these last couple weeks. Otherwise I’ll be stuck in CC polluting the place up lol I’m also touring the WGR lol 442 last Feb 2017–spend 10 months in hospital—slide to 1801-couple months ago—now climbing back up -888 Tim, you are my biggest rival and you probably don't even know it... I joined a few months after you but we pretty much play on the same level.. You always play your tourney rounds early and I always play with your ghost ball.. Some weeks I beat you.. Some weeks I don't.. But in TGC2 we were a pretty good matchup.. I hope that continues on TGC 2019.. (why HB, why not TGC3 ? ) My career looks something like this.. TGC1 CC-D CC-C CC-B CC-A Web Euro TGC2 came out Euro Web CC-A CC-B CC-C at this point switched to players clubs and then CC-B CC-A |
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Post by Friz on Aug 30, 2018 16:14:42 GMT -5
It'll be good to be back. I played just about every single tournament last season until mid June, then the disc drive on my PS4 broke. I didn't really want to buy the game again digitally just to have it for just a couple months knowing the new game was coming so I've sat out since then. I hope I can retain my spot in PGA and not fall into an inactive re-allocation category, one round into the new game my swing feels in the same spot I left.
I like the changes, I think. I was able to get top 10's/top 25's in PGA when I played well, and rarely missed the cut. I'm not sure how that will shake out when World Tour comes down, I feel like my top 10's will become top 40's, my top 25's will be closer to the cutline, and every other tournament may not be good enough. Thats not to say I disagree with the changes, I kept trying to get up to World Tour because I wanted to compete with the best, but just unsure how it will impact me overall. I like that its harder to move between tours though, I can target a top 125 Fed Ex Cup and have a true points race and that can be an enjoyable experience as well if I don't ever reach the level of the leaders
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Post by paulus on Aug 30, 2018 16:18:40 GMT -5
Tim, you are my biggest rival and you probably don't even know it... This got me wondering how many secret long term stalkings rivalries there are in TGCT  I have a couple against people who'd have no idea too - suspect it's probably quite common. |
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Post by boffo on Aug 30, 2018 16:37:36 GMT -5
Tim, you are my biggest rival and you probably don't even know it... This got me wondering how many secret long term stalkings rivalries there are in TGCT I have a couple against people who'd have no idea too - suspect it's probably quite common. Well we know that every single person who plays this game has a rivalry with pablo so I assume you mean rivalries aside from that one. |
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Aug 30, 2018 16:38:31 GMT -5
Just wanted to comment on how much I love TimB's new avatar picture - that's gold! |
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 30, 2018 16:50:59 GMT -5
Just wanted to comment on how much I love TimB 's new avatar picture - that's gold! Agreed!
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I have a couple against people who'd have no idea too - suspect it's probably quite common.
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