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Post by rob4590 on Aug 29, 2018 2:11:49 GMT -5
Overview
- Merge World Tour and PGA Tour - Drop Sponsor Exemptions - Slow down demotions/promotions - straight promotion system to move up tours (outlined below) Promotions/Demotions
- 5 promotion marks = promotion - 5 demotion marks = demotion Pro Tours
- Winner earns 2 promotion marks - Finish Top 10 to earn a promotion mark - Finish 120-139 to get a demotiontion mark - Finish 140+, DQ/WD to get 2 demotion marks - Miss cut to clear promo marks - Make cut to clear demotion marks Challenge Circuit
- Winner auto promoted - Finish Top 20 to earn a promotion mark - Finish 120-139 to get a demotion mark - Finish 140+, DQ/WD to get 2 demotion marks - Finish worse than 70th to clear promotion marks - Finish better than 70th to clear demotion marks Quarterly Promotion Events
- These will be used to top up tours every 3 months - They may be open to all members (outside of PGA) or be restricted to members with no strikes - Slots available for top tour will be announced prior to event - the trickle down will open up slots in lower tours - Users can take advantage and fast track up the tours with good play during these events - Participation is optional for those who meet the qualifications - Will be a special event, meaning you can play on your home tour and in this event in the same week Additional Flights
- Add a CC-F and CC-G to CC-Am - resort will likely be needed
The good:
PGA as the top tour (although with it having about 200-220 active players initially, based on numbers currently playing WT/PGA, will make it too bloated) Removal of sponsors exemptions and making it all automatic promotions - has to make the workload / number of tickets far less for the admins, and also will stop the daft situations of losing the exemption if you can't play the next week due to real life or having to choose to play your exemption or play in a major (if you qualify for both in the same week)
Addition of extra CC tiers.
The bad:
The whole new promotions and demotions - it simply won't work and is going to annoy people - both those who are trying to promote, and those who want / need to relegate - as there will be minimal chance to move up and down under this system.
Let's start with demotions - 5 strikes is correct - but they need to be kept as they are currently (missed cut (outside top 70) in the pro tours, and outside top 100 in CC) Under this proposed new system, it will be almost impossible to relegate (unless you are REALLY in the wrong tour, or deliberately sandbag, or don't finish all events) - there are very few events with much more than 120-140 players in them - the only ones are lower down the CC tiers - and they won't happen going forward as those tiers will be split to include the two extra tiers. Thus there will maybe be 10-15 players who get a demotion strike each week (and practically none who get double strikes) - to get 5 of them (ie 5 weeks at 120th+), you are going to have to be consistently terrible (for your tier) - and one 'half decent' result will clear them all! If you are consistently that bad, you should be dropping down much quicker than that - otherwise players are going to get disillusioned very quickly.
As for promotions - pro tours are losing a couple of spots (compared with current 10% exemptions - usually about top 12-14), while CC is going up a fraction (from 14 to 20) However - again - you are needing people to get 5 top 10/20's - that is going to take forever (and will be totally wiped out by one poor week - outside top 70) - it stops the possibility of players moving up several tours (to where they belong) in quick succession. I could use myself as an example (I went from Web to WT in about 6/7 weeks in June / July) or Peter Jones (went from CC-B to WT in less than 2 months) - we would still be stuck 2-4 levels below where our current form says we SHOULD be under the new system.
So the short version is: there will be minimal movement up/down the pyramid, which will annoy those who improve rapidly, but only move up extremely slowly. In turn, that will annoy everyone else who sees them in the top few spots several weeks on the spin on a lower tour - thus stopping those who are in the right tier from having a chance to do well. At the other end - just one mediocre result every few weeks will mean players can't demote to their correct level.
So I'd propose the promotion marks be reduced to 3, and the demotions to return to how they have been this season - that way, the system will work much better IMO, and actually allow regular (automated) movement between the tiers.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Aug 29, 2018 2:14:56 GMT -5
Like the new system far simpler to understand (and for you guys to code) just wondering is there going to be a q school? Doesn’t look that way going to be. I was looking forward to sandbagging into CCZ but guess I’ll have to do it the long way A new q school would be great. Won't happen, but would be great. |
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Post by TinCup on Aug 29, 2018 2:29:04 GMT -5
I like the looks of this new system. I did like having the opportunity to play up in a given week and potentially stay there but I think this will create more level and consistent promotions/demotions throughout the season.
My only concern is finishing above or below 70th and a player having their marks cleared. For example, a player is playing consistently well and, as a result, achieves 4 promotion marks. The next week they have a poor showing and finish below 70th and lose all of those marks. That seems like a rather harsh penalty to get hit with after just one poor tournament considering those marks can also be seen as an indicator of who is performing at competitive level. The opposite goes for those with multiple demotion marks. Getting multiple demotion marks cleared after one good or very mediocre tournament seems like a pretty big reward for someone consistently finishing somewhere in the bottom half of the leaderboard.
Just my two cents. Feel free to school me if I'm looking at that incorrectly.
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Post by echomike2 on Aug 29, 2018 3:24:41 GMT -5
The plan is to start Oct, 1st. Do we have to go thru Q-school ? and follow that path or is there way more info to follow?
thanks, John of "Z"
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Post by jaws1948 on Aug 29, 2018 6:04:24 GMT -5
Can we assume that when we start on Oct 1, we will be using TGC 2019?
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Post by DivotMaker on Aug 29, 2018 6:07:04 GMT -5
Can we assume that when we start on Oct 1, we will be using TGC 2019? Yes. |
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 29, 2018 6:22:13 GMT -5
When you say "clear promotion/demotion marks" do you mean ALL marks? Or just ONE mark? I could see a strong player having 4 great weeks and then one bad week feeling frustrated if all his promotion marks are cleared and he needs 4 or 5 great weeks again.
I think if missing the cut would clear ONE promotion mark, that would be less frustrating.
Same thoughts for the other side, where a player is out of his league but doesn't drop because of one great week.
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Post by jaws1948 on Aug 29, 2018 6:41:51 GMT -5
Excellent. I'm loving 2019 so far
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Post by cephyn on Aug 29, 2018 9:17:18 GMT -5
When you say "clear promotion/demotion marks" do you mean ALL marks? Or just ONE mark? I could see a strong player having 4 great weeks and then one bad week feeling frustrated if all his promotion marks are cleared and he needs 4 or 5 great weeks again. I think if missing the cut would clear ONE promotion mark, that would be less frustrating. Same thoughts for the other side, where a player is out of his league but doesn't drop because of one great week. I'm a fan of the new system concept, but this is an issue that does need to be clarified. If it's just +1/-1 I think that's great, but yeah...one bad week dumping 4 promotion marks is going to be really, really discouraging. |
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Post by rob4590 on Aug 29, 2018 9:34:30 GMT -5
When you say "clear promotion/demotion marks" do you mean ALL marks? Or just ONE mark? I could see a strong player having 4 great weeks and then one bad week feeling frustrated if all his promotion marks are cleared and he needs 4 or 5 great weeks again. I think if missing the cut would clear ONE promotion mark, that would be less frustrating. Same thoughts for the other side, where a player is out of his league but doesn't drop because of one great week. I'm a fan of the new system concept, but this is an issue that does need to be clarified. If it's just +1/-1 I think that's great, but yeah...one bad week dumping 4 promotion marks is going to be really, really discouraging. In a +1/-1 system - how would it work if you got say 3/4 demotion strikes, and then had a really good week and got a promotion mark? Would you lose a demotion strike, but gain a promotion one as well? Or would a promotion mark just clear all the demotion ones? And the other way - you have 3/4 promotion marks - what happens if you have a nightmare and get a demotion strike? |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 29, 2018 10:22:03 GMT -5
So I assume once one is on the PGA level, it would just be maintain standing, i.e. no promotion marks since you're already at the highest level, but try to keep from getting 5 demotion strikesand getting demoted. Are the 'clear promo/demo' lines mean that if you have 2 demo strikes and place above the clear line, the 2 strikes are removed? I'm currently in CC-E, so it'll be a while for me!  |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 29, 2018 10:29:57 GMT -5
I'm a fan of the new system concept, but this is an issue that does need to be clarified. If it's just +1/-1 I think that's great, but yeah...one bad week dumping 4 promotion marks is going to be really, really discouraging. In a +1/-1 system - how would it work if you got say 3/4 demotion strikes, and then had a really good week and got a promotion mark? Would you lose a demotion strike, but gain a promotion one as well? Or would a promotion mark just clear all the demotion ones? And the other way - you have 3/4 promotion marks - what happens if you have a nightmare and get a demotion strike? |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 29, 2018 10:33:03 GMT -5
I would think the +1/-1 system would clear ONE of whatever you currently have, so if a player had 3 demos and finishes above the promo line, the +1 promo would remove a demo strike, this learning the player with 2 demos heading into the next week.
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Post by Doyley on Aug 29, 2018 10:38:53 GMT -5
I would think the +1/-1 system would clear ONE of whatever you currently have, so if a player had 3 demos and finishes above the promo line, the +1 promo would remove a demo strike, this learning the player with 2 demos heading into the next week. We're discussing this now - as posted in the OP this is not the case but we're looking at switching to make it less punishing on those with promotion marks (would keep more pressure on those with demotion marks as well as it wouldn't clear multiple demotion marks with one made cut). The scenario where you have 4 promotion marks and then have your console die mid-event resulting in a Withdraw and a 6 mark swing (to 2 demotion marks) is not ideal - makes sense to adjust. Appreciate the feedback! |
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Post by Doyley on Aug 29, 2018 10:45:29 GMT -5
So I assume once one is on the PGA level, it would just be maintain standing, i.e. no promotion marks since you're already at the highest level, but try to keep from getting 5 demotion strikesand getting demoted. Are the 'clear promo/demo' lines mean that if you have 2 demo strikes and place above the clear line, the 2 strikes are removed? I'm currently in CC-E, so it'll be a while for me! Currently promotion marks will still be handed out on the PGA Tour but would just be an indicator of who's playing well. Would Max out at 5 and that would be all that happens. If we switch to the add/subtract model for promotion/demotion marks, then promotion marks on PGA Tour would act as insurance against demotion which is a plus in my books. |
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