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Post by karma4u on Jan 16, 2019 20:37:22 GMT -5
Donald has always been a selfish, uncaring person. Looks like he has now pretty much topped the ladder, maybe.
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Post by cliffs on Jan 16, 2019 20:40:13 GMT -5
On an unrelated topic, I just had to add this: did anyone see the wonderful "feast" that the Orange Douche-Canoe served the Clemson football team at the WH on Monday? Ice-cold fast food from McDonalds and Dominos. Thousands of burgers and french fries, left sitting ice-cold without any heating, on a table, congealing in their own fat. That pretty much sums up this numb-nuts and his classlessness in a nutshell. Boston Red Sox visit on Feb. 15th...can't wait to hear this menu. |
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Post by gregfordyce on Jan 17, 2019 7:13:23 GMT -5
Trump preys on people's biases and fears. He is, of course, not alone. At its core, in spite of its secular Constitution, America has always been steeped in religion. The nation was founded on the idea of not having a religion dictated to you, but the desire for authority in determining morals has always been a part of America. Even today, we hold "the Founding Fathers" in an absurdly high regard as infallible. We argue over the intent of their words the same way we argue over the intent of Biblical scripture. So, it isn't surprising at all that Americans would default to the position of whatever political leader with whom they already identified - be it that the leader has an R or a D next to their name, or that the leader is of the same religious faith, or that the leader happens to agree on a single issue. Our politics have become one dimensional. We are all living on a line where positions can only be left or right, and people have to accept policy as a package-deal. You aren't allowed, for example, to support national healthcare, affordable education, and a border wall. You aren't allowed to support deregulation, trickle-down economics, and accepting immigrants and refugees. You can't support LGBTQ+ rights and cutting government spending. This has become the biggest problem. In order to have a political leader that agrees with you on your important points, you have to accept some of the policies you don't agree with. And in order to make it work for you - especially the repugnant, bigoted views - people have to do some mental gymnastics to justify their choice. This is what religious people do. They do not accept that their source of authority is fallible, so they have to be dishonest. That is a dangerous mindset that allows their minds to be taken over by the disingenuous. And that is where we are today. ^This. So very, very well-said. And the fact that critical thinking skills are no longer being taught in our schools (to provide good, obedient little consumer worker-drones for the Matrix) means that most people will not be able to see this. |
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Post by gregfordyce on Jan 17, 2019 7:19:55 GMT -5
On an unrelated topic, I just had to add this: did anyone see the wonderful "feast" that the Orange Douche-Canoe served the Clemson football team at the WH on Monday? Ice-cold fast food from McDonalds and Dominos. Thousands of burgers and french fries, left sitting ice-cold without any heating, on a table, congealing in their own fat. That pretty much sums up this numb-nuts and his classlessness in a nutshell. Boston Red Sox visit on Feb. 15th...can't wait to hear this menu.  |
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Post by paulus on Jan 17, 2019 8:42:24 GMT -5
Any "Trailer Park Boys" in this thread?...  |
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Post by nevadaballin on Jan 17, 2019 9:41:11 GMT -5
Trump preys on people's biases and fears. He is, of course, not alone. At its core, in spite of its secular Constitution, America has always been steeped in religion. The nation was founded on the idea of not having a religion dictated to you, but the desire for authority in determining morals has always been a part of America. Even today, we hold "the Founding Fathers" in an absurdly high regard as infallible. We argue over the intent of their words the same way we argue over the intent of Biblical scripture. So, it isn't surprising at all that Americans would default to the position of whatever political leader with whom they already identified - be it that the leader has an R or a D next to their name, or that the leader is of the same religious faith, or that the leader happens to agree on a single issue. Our politics have become one dimensional. We are all living on a line where positions can only be left or right, and people have to accept policy as a package-deal. You aren't allowed, for example, to support national healthcare, affordable education, and a border wall. You aren't allowed to support deregulation, trickle-down economics, and accepting immigrants and refugees. You can't support LGBTQ+ rights and cutting government spending. This has become the biggest problem. In order to have a political leader that agrees with you on your important points, you have to accept some of the policies you don't agree with. And in order to make it work for you - especially the repugnant, bigoted views - people have to do some mental gymnastics to justify their choice. This is what religious people do. They do not accept that their source of authority is fallible, so they have to be dishonest. That is a dangerous mindset that allows their minds to be taken over by the disingenuous. And that is where we are today.
This is why I became a non-affiliated voter decades ago. I AM allowed to be whatever I wish without regard to what a particular party wants or thinks I should be. I call it being a free-thinker. One of the best things about being non-affiliated (aka independent) is that the person next to me can also be non-affiliated and hold completely opposite views and we can discuss them from a place of real honesty, not party. |
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Post by paulus on Jan 17, 2019 10:53:39 GMT -5
I've banged on this drum several times in this thread - at present, the politically astute who want to achieve real change *have to* pick a party. It's the only way you'll get in to a position of real power. I agree it's a problem - but the only way it gets rectified is by moving towards proportional representation.
This means all views get true representations at the law making level. Does come with downsides - you have to be strong enough to deal with some pretty horrible marginal views that will strive for representation. I personally think we are.
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Post by nevadaballin on Jan 17, 2019 13:10:50 GMT -5
I've banged on this drum several times in this thread - at present, the politically astute who want to achieve real change *have to* pick a party. It's the only way you'll get in to a position of real power. I agree it's a problem - but the only way it gets rectified is by moving towards proportional representation. This means all views get true representations at the law making level. Does come with downsides - you have to be strong enough to deal with some pretty horrible marginal views that will strive for representation. I personally think we are. If you want to be a politician you need to pick a party. If you want to be human, you don't need one.  |
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Post by paulus on Jan 17, 2019 14:06:07 GMT -5
I think my statement is more accurate reflection of the truth Jimmy - if you want some change you need to pick a side.
I'm a human... who wants change... therefore I'll be voting Labour in our next election. Do I agree with all their policies - no way. I don't even like their leader. But enough of their big policies align with my main aims, that it's the sensible choice to make right now. A vote for an independent or smaller party more closely aligned with my views would be wasted, sadly.
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Post by paulus on Jan 17, 2019 14:25:42 GMT -5
It's worth pointing out that the reason proportional representation has been resisted up until now - the right absolutely don't want it. The left splinter into sub-groups way more easily than the right - which leaves them with less power in the first past the post electoral systems we have.
The reason the left splinter so much - because they are generally highly principled people and will not compromise even on details. The right cohese more easily around the "greed is good" creed, details are unimportant as long as they and theirs can keep it all. They earned it, they deserve it, it's all theirs, @!$# the lazy poor.
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Post by nevadaballin on Jan 17, 2019 14:39:18 GMT -5
I think my statement is more accurate reflection of the truth Jimmy - if you want some change you need to pick a side. I'm a human... who wants change... therefore I'll be voting Labour in our next election. Do I agree with all their policies - no way. I don't even like their leader. But enough of their big policies align with my main aims, that it's the sensible choice to make right now. A vote for an independent or smaller party more closely aligned with my views would be wasted, sadly. I don't pick sides when i vote. If i vote for a democrat or Republican, it does not mean I've signed on to their agenda. I am not picking their side. I'm voting for what I believe to be the best of two offered evils. Sometimes I vote for someone because I REALLY do not want the other person (like Trump) in office. It's not a supporting vote for someone more than a blocking vote for the person i do not want. A lot fo Trump supporters did that against Clinton. They didn't vote for Trump because they liked him. They voted for him because they hated her. No side taken other than my own and what i think is best for the country. The one problem we all share globally is a lack of quality candidates who have not been compromised by lobbyist (or other) dollars. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Jan 17, 2019 14:42:53 GMT -5
It's worth pointing out that the reason proportional representation has been resisted up until now - the right absolutely don't want it. The left splinter into sub-groups way more easily than the right - which leaves them with less power in the first past the post electoral systems we have. The reason the left splinter so much - because they are generally highly principled people and will not compromise even on details. The right cohese more easily around the "greed is good" creed, details are unimportant as long as they and theirs can keep it all. They earned it, they deserve it, it's all theirs, @!$# the lazy poor. There's room for other parties for sure but you are correct, the existing parties do not want it because it means they lose people. And that means they lose money and power. The right has their subsets like the Tea Party and the left has their Socialist subset. Neither are totally on board with their respective parties but still march under those umbrellas. They could easily split off to 4 parties instead of two but..... that money thing  |
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Post by karma4u on Jan 17, 2019 22:39:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 4:05:18 GMT -5
He ordered Cohen to lie to congress and the FBI about contact with the Russians.
When is enough enough? When will this traitor and criminal be removed from office and put in jail?
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Post by cliffs on Jan 18, 2019 7:14:20 GMT -5
He ordered Cohen to lie to congress and the FBI about contact with the Russians. When is enough enough? When will this traitor and criminal be removed from office and put in jail? It is being said that he has the PROOF also...can anybody remember the Nixon tapes? DT can tweet from the shitter all he wants, why, because his sh^t DOES stink. |
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