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Post by paulus on Dec 30, 2018 8:49:03 GMT -5
more of the same of what has already happened the ME and look at what it has brought us. Slave markets in Libya, extremist Islamic groups capturing cities and towns as bases and acts of terrorism on our streets in our countries. Give the Syrians a chance to unite and a chance for a fresh start. The US has spent decades trying to destabilize Syria, I think now is the perfect time to let them decide for themselves before it causes more division, terrorism and refugee crises. Not just the US - UK & other western interests have had a fair hand in it too - but wholeheartedly agree with your point here! What's happening atm only works for the people that earn money from the war machine - the rest of us are getting nothing but negative outcomes from it. |
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 30, 2018 9:31:47 GMT -5
I encourage anybody in here to tag other countries involved in these illegal wars. Britain, France, Netherlands, Spain and many others in the ME and beyond are all complicit.
And just to clarify, I'm not the new replacement for FRSTDWN lol. I just don't want this thread to become a Trump bashing cult without any opposition and scrutiny for the opposing side. When Trump does something daft, we call it out. When he does something good we should be able to acknowledge that, too.
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Post by cliffs on Dec 30, 2018 16:18:47 GMT -5
If it walks like a duck and a rose by any other name is still a rose.
Curious as to your take on his military foreign policy. Just what do you think he has done all by himself that has nothing to do with former presidents.
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Post by karma4u on Dec 30, 2018 19:23:09 GMT -5
There is absolutely nothing that Donald does, unless, it has some positive effect for him personally or the Trump Org. Simply, the way he operates. He is a criminal.
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Post by karma4u on Dec 30, 2018 20:10:11 GMT -5
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Post by cliffs on Dec 30, 2018 21:55:30 GMT -5
For whatever reason, this info seems not to bother any repubs nor Congress. |
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 31, 2018 5:09:01 GMT -5
If it walks like a duck and a rose by any other name is still a rose. Curious as to your take on his military foreign policy. Just what do you think he has done all by himself that has nothing to do with former presidents. Like I mentioned, he's opted for diplomacy with NK. This has definitely been a big help in North/South relations. We're now seeing the two Korea's joining their infrastructures and easing off and border tensions. This is excellent. Most recently is the pulling out of troops in Syria. Unlike all other past president's, Trump has actually removed troops from an occupied foreign country within a week of announcing it. Like him or not, he's done the right thing, here. |
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Post by cliffs on Dec 31, 2018 7:16:13 GMT -5
If it walks like a duck and a rose by any other name is still a rose. Curious as to your take on his military foreign policy. Just what do you think he has done all by himself that has nothing to do with former presidents. Like I mentioned, he's opted for diplomacy with NK. This has definitely been a big help in North/South relations. We're now seeing the two Korea's joining their infrastructures and easing off and border tensions. This is excellent. Most recently is the pulling out of troops in Syria. Unlike all other past president's, Trump has actually removed troops from an occupied foreign country within a week of announcing it. Like him or not, he's done the right thing, here. Can you show me a link to ANY story that tells us how many troops have come home from Syria within a week, please. The latest news - Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested Sunday President Donald Trump now better understands the stakes in Syria and has agreed to reevaluate, for now, his plans to immediately withdraw all US troops from the country. "I'm asking the President to make sure that we have troops there to protect us. Don't outsource our national security to some foreign power," Graham told CNN earlier on Sunday. "If we leave now the Kurds will get in a fight with Turkey, they could get slaughtered. Who would help you in the future?" "And this is something you're going to tell the President today?" Bash asked. "Yeah, I'm going to ask the President to do something President Obama would never do: reconsider," Graham replied. If we look at a history of America’s wars, the conflicts we’ve won and crafted into a lasting peace have always required some of our troops to stay, from the Civil War and Reconstruction to the Second World War and subsequent European and Japanese occupations. Troops deployed need not be seen as troops at war — the notion that they are equivalent is harmful to creating an effective national security strategy. We can keep the troops deployed, thus securing our interests, while also keeping them relatively secure, as we’ve long done in places like Korea. President Barack Obama couldn’t see this possibility and made a mistake by pulling all the troops out of Iraq in 2011, only to have to redeploy thousands before the end of his administration after the Islamic State swept through the country. Trump is about to make the same mistake by pulling them all out of Syria and dangerously reducing them in Afghanistan. I suggest you read the entire article HERE |
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 31, 2018 8:24:53 GMT -5
It seems that the US troops who were patrolling Manbij are no longer present, as the Syrian army has started to gather in and around that region, even raising the Syrian flag above buildings for the first time in years. My guess is that the US troops have moved to another area where they will probably gather en mass to prepare for lift off when the time comes. Now I fully expected big backlash from the US war machine and its outside interests (profiteers of war) to attempt to strong arm Trump and it will work to a certain degree as we're now seeing reports that Trump is "slowing down" the withdrawal of troops. This has nothing to do with defeating ISIS as the MSM would have you believe, it is entirely about trying to contain Iran and make sure that they don't benefit from the lack of US presence in that region. I just hope that Trump has the backbone to stand up to these war mongering scabs as I believe that he genuinely wants out of Syria. www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/28/syrian-kurdish-militia-manbij-turkey |
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Post by paulus on Dec 31, 2018 8:31:50 GMT -5
Here's how I'd frame my perspective simply;
Can we guarantee that if we pull troops out, things will get better? No.
Can we say that the Afghan war has been a failure in its stated aims for the last 17 years? Yes.
Keep troops in = more of what we have already been doing for a long time. Time for a different strategy imho cliffs.
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 31, 2018 8:34:46 GMT -5
And to come back on your point about pulling troops out of Syria might be dangerous because we could see ISIS grow again, is extremely unlikely. As I said to Jimmy. Syria now has their biggest ally helping them to defeat ISIS, and they're doing an extremely good job of it. They are more than capable of doing it without your interference. The US have hindered Syrian efforts to remove ISIS if anything. You cannot remove ISIS and the government forces of the land at the same time. It's impossible and just keeps the country divided for as long as possible, which is the goal of the US. As I mentioned in another message, the US has been actively destabilizing Syria for decades. Keeping Syria divided is US foreign policy as it also weakens Iran, and its because of this that I don't believe that eradicating ISIS is a primary goal for the US in Syria.
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Post by paulus on Dec 31, 2018 8:46:57 GMT -5
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested...[more war] You'll (not) be surprised to find out his biggest campaign contributor is Lockheed Martin. I suggest you read the entire article HEREIt was an interesting read - always good to get the perspective of a career army person with something intelligent to say.. But very skewed in favour of the positives of military intervention... not much mention & learnings of the failures from history. |
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Post by cliffs on Dec 31, 2018 16:23:25 GMT -5
Donnie is about to enter his lame duck presidency...
WASHINGTON — House Democrats will announce a plan to vote on re-opening the government when they take control of the chamber on Thursday, a senior Democratic aide confirmed Monday to NBC News.
Democrats, who are expected to make the plan public later Monday as the shutdown stretches into Day 10, will unveil a short-term funding bill known as a continuing resolution that would fund the Department of Homeland Security until Feb. 8. Separately, they plan to pass six remaining government spending bills that passes new funding for those other agencies for the rest of the fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30.
Democrats will assume the majority in the House on Thursday. The first vote will be to elect a new speaker of the House; later in the day, they will vote on their appropriations plan.
The move is unlikely to be successful. There is no guarantee that Senate Republicans, who control that chamber, would agree to take up any measure passed by the Democratic House, or that President Donald Trump — who has been demanding funding for a border wall — would support the effort.
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Post by cliffs on Dec 31, 2018 16:38:59 GMT -5
Breaking news....
Reports are that witches are offended by Trump’s ‘disgraceful’ use of the term ‘witch hunt’
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In response, Pelosi criticized the president for "the irresponsible #TrumpShutdown" and said he had "given Democrats a great opportunity to show how we will govern responsibly."
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Post by cliffs on Jan 2, 2019 16:36:15 GMT -5
President Donald Trump on Wednesday said the stock market's worst month since 1931 was due to a "glitch."
When asked how long was the shutdown going to continue...."It could be a long time," Trump told reporters during a Cabinet meeting, "or it could be quickly."
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