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Post by twobottletom on Jul 25, 2017 14:40:36 GMT -5
My suggestion is to start with a policy that allows tightening as things progress... You will never catch every cheater... and we don't want honest players getting labeled as cheaters and DQ'ed/suspended either.
1) I think you target data where controller modification/manipulation seems really obvious. (ie. C and D on page 1)
2) Identify a number that is a limit to the number of straight shots .0001 - -.00001 a round. (B, G, I would be candidates for this)
I think its much more of an egregious violation to manipulate a DPI setting, manipulate the X-axis, run scripts to cheat, or use straight edges etc...
The last guys you will catch cheating here will be the smart ones most likely...ie the guys who are able to show random data etc... That's just the way it is.
Start with a guide where you're 99% sure the person is violating the policy and be confident you have applied the correct punishment. The more data you look at, I'm sure the more that certain patterns will become obvious, and additional action and rules will need to be implemented to the policy. For specifics (E, F, H, and maybe J i would let go for now... there's some gray area there.) The others have either too many perfectly straight shots .0001 from center, or show patterns that look manipulated.
Good luck. I know I'm one of many that know you guys have a difficult path forward, and I'll support your best effort to make this a fair and level playing field and root out the small percentage that are the reason for these 50 page threads.
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Post by Doyley on Jul 25, 2017 14:42:26 GMT -5
Curious to know if there's a range of setting you guys can put in place where the API automaticly alerts you to suspicious rounds? Yes, we could automate it and check all rounds from everyone. |
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Post by Brighttail on Jul 25, 2017 14:48:38 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit - one of the Players A-I that had consistent results for all previous events now has a totally different shot spread in the most recent event (after this post went up). There were a few people that I talked with that weren't sure if they were so straight and wasn't going to change or do anything until the admins made some sort of announcements. Now that you have, hopefully they are working to correct the issue and not trying to disguise anything. ;/ |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jul 25, 2017 14:49:25 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit - one of the Players A-I that had consistent results for all previous events now has a totally different shot spread in the most recent event (after this post went up). Calling all Outlaws a new case has been opened!!!! Sharpen those pitchforks boys!!! I'm joking Scott promise 🤞🏻 |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jul 25, 2017 14:52:22 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit - one of the Players A-I that had consistent results for all previous events now has a totally different shot spread in the most recent event (after this post went up). Which one off the graph? @!$# that!!! Name, address, next of kin and do they have a guard dog !!! |
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 25, 2017 14:54:16 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit - one of the Players A-I that had consistent results for all previous events now has a totally different shot spread in the most recent event (after this post went up). Did their scores get better? |
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Post by titaneddie on Jul 25, 2017 14:54:27 GMT -5
Curious to know if there's a range of setting you guys can put in place where the API automaticly alerts you to suspicious rounds? Yes, we could automate it and check all rounds from everyone. Right, so once these people fall into these unacceptable ranges it would seem fairly easy to monitor...although time consuming I'm sure One more question...Will the API keep track of the player's whole history? That would make things even easier. |
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Post by billybudd0623 on Jul 25, 2017 15:00:24 GMT -5
I am a marginal player because I don't have the time to invest in the game that some do. I use a regular PS4 controller, use tour clubs, and one day I am Billy the Pro, and the next day I am Billy the Banana Man. I do enjoy the game a lot. That said, I will not be happy if some are given a green light to use a controller/mouse that gives even a 'slight' advantage. The 'straight shooters' don't experience the rough that makes this game so difficult for the rest of us. Even playing field is all most want.
Thanks to all who are using THEIR time to straighten this out for us. Much appreciation!
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Post by Doyley on Jul 25, 2017 15:01:04 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit - one of the Players A-I that had consistent results for all previous events now has a totally different shot spread in the most recent event (after this post went up). Did their scores get better? hard to say since they are shot on different courses. |
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Post by Doyley on Jul 25, 2017 15:02:22 GMT -5
Yes, we could automate it and check all rounds from everyone. One more question...Will the API keep track of the player's whole history? That would make things even easier. That's more of a Tim question. Not sure to be honest how long he will keep it or if it will be a rolling window. |
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Post by Airik3333 on Jul 25, 2017 15:10:53 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit - one of the Players A-I that had consistent results for all previous events now has a totally different shot spread in the most recent event (after this post went up). One year suspension.. That person was obviously cheating and knew it.. |
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Post by nantez88 on Jul 25, 2017 15:15:51 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit - one of the Players A-I that had consistent results for all previous events now has a totally different shot spread in the most recent event (after this post went up). One year suspension.. That person was obviously cheating and knew it.. Absolute fact mate doesn't matter if it wasn't in an official competition we'd all be better off without those types around. A leopard never changes it's spots |
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Post by yyzleafs on Jul 25, 2017 15:18:24 GMT -5
Guys...let's stay on topic. We don't need to discuss penalties in this thread. We don't need to branch into why people might cheat, etc. This isn't about any of that. What we want to determine is whether the community wants us to just filter our obvious cheaters or do we also want to filter out players with an input device advantage? That's really what this exercise is about. 95% of all players are on the same playing field. But then there are the outliers I've posted in the first thread. Some of these are cheaters but many are not. Many are just players that appear to have an input device advantage. Question is...what does the community want? And where do we draw the lines? Anyone with an input device advantage should be filtered out. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Jul 25, 2017 15:30:29 GMT -5
I'm going to plug in my Rock Band guitar controller after work and see if the strum bar hits dead straight  It's a guitar, it has to have tempo, right? |
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Post by KenTremendous on Jul 25, 2017 15:34:49 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit - one of the Players A-I that had consistent results for all previous events now has a totally different shot spread in the most recent event (after this post went up). There were a few people that I talked with that weren't sure if they were so straight and wasn't going to change or do anything until the admins made some sort of announcements. Now that you have, hopefully they are working to correct the issue and not trying to disguise anything. ;/ Id almost certainly say its the latter. |
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