|
|
Post by SmilingGoats on Jul 25, 2017 14:05:09 GMT -5
Let's stay on topic. If you want to discuss why people buy controllers, do that in another thread.
|
|
|
|
Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 25, 2017 14:10:26 GMT -5
By starting this thread I have to think the admins aren't sure what parameters they want to use yet.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 14:11:22 GMT -5
By starting this thread I have to think the admins aren't sure what parameters they want to use yet. Please remember to stay on topic, you have to mention the API somewhere..... |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 14:11:56 GMT -5
Let's stay on topic. If you want to discuss why people buy controllers, do that in another thread. Agreed. We know we all do it because of stick envy. And now, a rare serious post from me. I was using tour clubs for the longest time and then went back to player just before I left for vacation because I was designing and thought player would be easier to hit while playtesting. It was...a lot easier. I was inside the cone on pretty much every shot. I improved a good 15 shots from using tour clubs. Now, if you looked at my numbers when I switched right back over, you'd think I was using some kind of cheating device because of the swift improvement. Well, that and the fact I was actually playing under par. The point is there are so many factors that we on the forums, we playing the rounds, we watching the ghosts CAN'T KNOW FOR SURE someone's gaming the system. Thus, it makes sense to contact the powers that be here privately since they have the access to the information that can tell them if someone's cheating. If someone's busted cheating, everyone finds out about it after the penalty comes down, and then we can all sound off about it. We elevate or degrade this forum with our discussions. Let's avoid a really easy pitch in the dirt and just avoid the public accusations of cheating knowing that if someone's cheating we will all eventually know about it. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 14:14:43 GMT -5
Let's stay on topic. If you want to discuss why people buy controllers, do that in another thread. Jeff, I don't think there's really much left to discuss. You've presented the data. Unless you're going to present more data, the general consensus, with very few exceptions (myself being one of them) is that all those controllers (whichever ones they are because there's no way to know) should be banned. So the only thing left is for you guys to decide what you're going to do. There's only two options. Outside of the straight shooter (obvious ban) you either ban the others or don't. If you were to put it up for a vote, I'm sure the majority would say ban them. Your call whether or not that's what you're going to do. But really, what is left to discuss? What am I missing? (Sorry, but I come from a technical background where you assessed the situation and then acted on it without beating the point to death.) |
|
|
|
Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 25, 2017 14:16:24 GMT -5
By starting this thread I have to think the admins aren't sure what parameters they want to use yet. Please remember to stay on topic, you have to mention the API somewhere..... I think they are looking for a lot of deviation on shots similar to Rob's round that was posted. No doubt in my mind Rob is playing legit and a stand up guy. I have played with him on numerous occasions. Can you use a script on PS4 or a mouse to achieve those same results and make it look like you are playing legit? |
|
|
|
Post by Errol1967 on Jul 25, 2017 14:16:25 GMT -5
You can watch as many ghost if you want, but if they have shot feedback off...dont know if you can see it how they shoot? Curious if this is tested.
|
|
|
|
Post by BillySastard976 on Jul 25, 2017 14:18:22 GMT -5
You can watch as many ghost if you want, but if they have shot feedback off...dont know if you can see it how they shoot? Curious if this is tested. They still have the data. |
|
stax
Caddy
Posts: 67 
|
Post by stax on Jul 25, 2017 14:22:41 GMT -5
If people are buying controllers to cheat within this small community for this very small game, then wow that's really dedication. Look, good shot-making and putting are going to carry people to high ranks - not just shooting straight with tour clubs. You can't ban certain controllers or devices, because that's impossible to enforce. You can only ban the people who are manipulating devices to shoot straight using whatever data you can get from HBS. I'm not bothered by the whole tour club thing anyways. If I want to hook or fade shots I'm just going to aim way left or right and shank my shot the opposite way to get that spin  And eventually I'll get that down to a science and dominate the PGA Tour without shooting a single straight shot off the tee MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! ...Challenger Z here I come -___- |
|
|
|
Post by Moe Slorkman on Jul 25, 2017 14:24:34 GMT -5
Let's stay on topic. If you want to discuss why people buy controllers, do that in another thread. So what clubs are you using ? Sorry just had to its to serious in here 😂 |
|
|
|
Post by B.Smooth13 on Jul 25, 2017 14:29:12 GMT -5
Ok, well here's a more data driven approach idea if that's what we're looking for...
There have been a few people either publicly called out here, or willingly admitted to using a controller they felt gave them an advantage, that can be targeted for analysis. So, take those people (plus whoever else you have identified internally) across all rounds of data you have, and build a data summary for each of those players - just something simple, max, min, mean, standard deviation, etc. Compare the summaries for those identified players for similarities in pattern.
Then, take another set of players - an equal number if possible - who have been placing on the top of these exhibition event leader boards not identified as needing to change settings/controllers. Put together the same basic summaries, see if the patterns are visibly different, try to identify any similarities and/or differences that are reasonably visible. If you want to go further and have the resources to do so, run some data queries comparing the two samples, see what you come up with. This won't be THE answer, but it might help draw any possible distinctions between the two groups.
Without the raw data in my hands it's so hard to give a concrete strategy, but that would be where I start.
|
|
|
|
Post by paulus on Jul 25, 2017 14:33:59 GMT -5
But really, what is left to discuss? What am I missing? That this thread is only 17 hours old. There will be loads of people who haven't even seen this yet - it's only fair to give others a chance to feedback too. |
|
|
|
Post by jarednich on Jul 25, 2017 14:36:27 GMT -5
You can watch as many ghost if you want, but if they have shot feedback off...dont know if you can see it how they shoot? Curious if this is tested. We have to get away from the shot feedback being the be all and end all. It's not the same as the API. |
|
|
|
Post by titaneddie on Jul 25, 2017 14:37:48 GMT -5
Curious to know if there's a range of setting you guys can put in place where the API automaticly alerts you to suspicious rounds?
I obviously have no clue how many were caught cheating in tgc1 but Id imagine it would've been a rather small percentage. I'm guessing with tgc2 being new and with the added difficulty those numbers would spike a little off the start for sure. But a lot of people keep on eye things around here (putting that mildly lol) so it's pretty noticeable when you see someone who just shoots up the rankings. With this API in place and the ability to load up suspicious ghosts I don't think this will be as big of a problem as some are making or thinking it will be.
Will some people still cheat and be able to get away with it? Yeah probably, but at least this should weed out the out right blatant cheats.
|
|
|
|
Post by Doyley on Jul 25, 2017 14:39:39 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit - one of the Players A-I that had consistent results for all previous events now has a totally different shot spread in the most recent event (after this post went up).
|
|
And eventually I'll get that down to a science and dominate the PGA Tour without shooting a single straight shot off the tee MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
International Record: 7-0-0
