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Post by timeracer on Jul 25, 2017 13:18:34 GMT -5
Not arguing that at all. Completely agree. But the question was posed as to why anyone would buy them other than to cheat at golf game. Just pointing out there's many valid reasons and that it's only here that they would in any way be deemed illegal. Personally I bought mine for racing games. No one would ever say there's anything wrong with them there in any setting. I think you missed my point as I was joking at the PC lads but I was mainly asking why would somebody buy a 3rd party controller like the Xbox and ps4 replicas and play with that rather than use the ones that come with the console. If there's a question mark over the 3rd party ones just use the stock controllers. It's cool, I get you we're having a joking go at them. But you can never really tell on the internet. For me me my purchase came down to three reasons. First, the Power A Pro pads are more comfortable to me for racing. They are lighter and have huge thumbsticks. A standard Xbox 1 pad has dime sized plate on top. These have quarter sized plates on top. Thumb rests in it comfortably and securely, making precise driving much easier. Second was I wanted wired controller for two reasons. No wireless lag and no more worrying about buying batteries. Third, the standard Xbox pad I had was a launch version. Which didn't use a 3.5mm jack for the headset, but a stupid Microsoft proprietary jack that forced you to use only certain headsets. Had received a Turtle Beach headset as a gift that I can't use with the launch version standard pad I have. Just saying there are plenty of reasons one might buy a 3rd party pad other than to cheat at a golf game. And I suspect there are many more out there that have been using one for a long while and never would have known in TGC1 since there wasn't the huge difference in performance. And if you didn't think anything was wrong before, you would likely carry on into new game with the now huge advantage and still not have it cross your mind you were doing something wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:19:28 GMT -5
The developers designed and tested the game around officail console controllers. Shouldn't they be the ones we should be using? This statement isn't completely true. The game was designed primarily for controllers because that is where most of their profit comes from but if you ever saw a picture of their play room, they had dozens of different controllers that they tested and coded for. It is one of the reasons why when patching for consoles it is so tough to get it right for everyone. The mouse swing was coded and completed, then never changed after about 3 weeks in beta as they are quite easier to code for by just implementing their mouse sensitivity function within the game. Was referring to official controllers over third party ones. |
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Post by timeracer on Jul 25, 2017 13:20:12 GMT -5
It appears that the admin can see what is cheating, what is 3rd party and what is stock fairly comfortably. The decision is do we allow 3rd party or not? I don't believe the game was made with the intention of using a controller to make the game easier. So I say put a ban on such controllers. Those that choose to quit because they "can't afford" a stock controller for $20, well that's too bad. It would seem strange that they can afford a gaming console and 3rd party controller worth well over $100 but can't afford a cheap controller. Umm, I don't know where you're getting stock controllers for twenty bucks. Might want to check and see if it's as stock as you think it is lol. |
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Post by Terry Grayson on Jul 25, 2017 13:25:18 GMT -5
I once tried using my Logitech Momo wheel and pedal set in the golf game. Mapped the brake pedal to the back swing and the throttle to the forward swing, wheel worked wonders on the draws and fades. Could drive pretty accurate with it, unfortunately the extra backspin killed immersion level for me. Could tell you about the time i tried the Saitek Hotas and the amazing ball flights I got from that combination, but ya - i loaded up the 1st round of a tourney and only landed the ball during the 3rd round o the wrong green resulting in an instant dq. Point is the one-trick-pony console fanboys may not grasp the concept that most pc gamers prolly did not specifically buy whatever controller they are using for this golf game, but rather are using something thats lying around already somewhere  Exactly what I did... Was having a hard time with Xbox controller on PC thought it was worn out, had a Logitech 310 laying around, plugged it in and BOOM dead down the middle... I will say its much to easy with it and even did a test and relayed my thoughts on whether or not it should be banned.... But I didn't set out to beat a game just wanted to play a round without hitting it all over creation with the 310 allowed me to do... I play practice courses with it, but would never use it on tour just more enjoyable at the moment with it... I can use the xbox hovering around par and that too for me is a lot of fun.. either way Im happy and content with this great game, I don't have to shoot -16 every time to have an enjoyable round... just breaking par can be a blast |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:31:36 GMT -5
Great discussion. I think the only solution here is to have a list of approved controllers. I equate this issue to NASCAR racing in the US. The aim of the governing body is to make all the cars as equal as possibly so they can find out who are the best drivers. Cars are literally stripped down and inspected, parts weighed, etc. after races to make sure every part conforms and if not severe penalties, fines and suspensions.
Only way to make TGCTours playing field level is to make illegal all controllers that make it easier to hit shots with less deviation. Agree with post earlier that we then as members of this tour certify we are using the allowed equipment.
If you know the typical pattern of the best players and what shot patterns should look like, it seems to me that it would be fairly easy to spot suspicious straighter shooting. Implement suspensions and DQ's for anything outside of that norm.
As to buying more equipment to play the TGC Tours, anyone of us spent $100's of dollars every year on games we play a handful of times. I'd gladly spend $60 for a new controller should I be told I needed it to compete.
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Post by mcbogga on Jul 25, 2017 13:37:10 GMT -5
All the talk of controllers would seem to be entirely moot. It's not info that we can reliably obtain and is un-enforceable. Focus on the statistics - they hold the truth. Exactly. But baseline should be made from a selection of rounds made with stock controllers, imo. |
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Post by HairyTeabagins on Jul 25, 2017 13:38:13 GMT -5
How would you enforce that though brownie? The guys have already said they can't tell what controller is being used.
I'm all for it, but not sure how you can ban non official controllers.
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Post by paulus on Jul 25, 2017 13:38:30 GMT -5
Great discussion. I think the only solution here is to have a list of approved controllers. Yes, great discussion. And no - an approved controller list cannot work in practice - as there is no way to determine it. |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Jul 25, 2017 13:48:00 GMT -5
There is a way to determine which controller is being used - ask the person who is getting 'unfair' data after his rounds. The 'straight shooters' all be it inadvertent ones.
I'll happily let them look at any of my rounds with a Logitech F710, for example - not least because I want to know if it is an advantage to use it, or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:49:03 GMT -5
I wonder how many pages this thread will get.
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Post by Errol1967 on Jul 25, 2017 13:50:11 GMT -5
Saw some videos and streams and noticed that some play with shot feedback off....Badabingbadaboom...why would they do that?
Personaly I dont think you can stop cheating, People are to clever nowadays. I bet someone can build something in to or onto their controller, to make their straight shots less suspicious, so with more breaks in the white line with some curve. If we can land on Mars, hell people can make such controllers...telling ya.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 25, 2017 13:51:52 GMT -5
I wonder how many pages this thread will get. At least 50 if it doesn't get locked. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:53:38 GMT -5
I wonder how many pages this thread will get. At least 50 if it doesn't get locked. There is plenty of civil conversations so i can see that happening. |
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 25, 2017 13:54:41 GMT -5
At least 50 if it doesn't get locked. There is plenty of civil conversations so i can see that happening. Yeah we have a ton of passionate players here so this isn't a bad discussion to have. |
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Post by paulus on Jul 25, 2017 13:57:53 GMT -5
There is a way to determine which controller is being used - ask the person who is getting 'unfair' data after his rounds. The 'straight shooters' all be it inadvertent ones. I'll happily let them look at any of my rounds with a Logitech F710, for example - not least because I want to know if it is an advantage to use it, or not. If only everyone was as honest and fair as you Peter. If that were the case this whole thread would be unnecessary... |
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